Impeachment

[Joe Fan]

Here is more that now infamous Biden Q&A

 

[I35]

There’s speculation that Hillary will run for President......again (sigh). But it’s not for the reason you think. Many wonder that it may be her only option left as a defense strategy. Like Biden, claim political persecution when indictments come.

 

[theiioftx]

And it starts. The obstruction of the impeachment inquiry has commenced.

At the 11th hour the Stare Dept forbid Sondland from testifying to 3 Congressional Committees today. He has been in D.C. for a week preparing for this testimony.

The Democrats are wasting valuable time and money. Just impeach him and send it over to Mitch. No inquiry is going to find anything that changes their minds.

 

[Seattle Husker]

There’s speculation that Hillary will run for President......again (sigh). But it’s not for the reason you think. Many wonder that it may be her only option left as a defense strategy. Like Biden, claim political persecution when indictments come.

That speculation is primarily in conservative sites, from what I can tell. There was a WaPo editorial a few days ago telling her to go away.

 

[Seattle Husker]

The Democrats are wasting valuable time and money. Just impeach him and send it over to Mitch. No inquiry is going to find anything that changes their minds.

Wait...don't gather any evidence? Don't document any evidence? Of course Republicans would like that strategy. It would be idiotic to do that

 

[Mr. Deez]

And it starts. The obstruction of the impeachment inquiry has commenced.

At the 11th hour the Stare Dept forbid Sondland from testifying to 3 Congressional Committees today. He has been in D.C. for a week preparing for this testimony.

If only Schiff had a way to compel Sondland's testimony. . . .

 

[theiioftx]

Wait...don't gather any evidence? Don't document any evidence? Of course Republicans would like that strategy. It would be idiotic to do that

It’s a useless process. Either they find favorable evidence or they don’t. Either way they are convinced they need to impeach him. Their constituents will not allow them otherwise.

Go ahead and send it over to the Senate.

 

[Seattle Husker]

If only Schiff had a way to compel Sondland's testimony. . . .

They've reportedly subpoenaed that now. So, now subpoenas are required for all cooperation. You are concerned about precedents, that's a dangerous one too. Congressional oversight is now purely a legal process?

It isn't only Democrats setting new precedents here.

 

[Seattle Husker]

It’s a useless process. Either they find favorable evidence or they don’t. Either way they are convinced they need to impeach him. Their constituents will not allow them otherwise.

Go ahead and send it over to the Senate.

Wait...you just said gathering evidence is inconsequential.

 

[Monahorns]

So you have an illusion that this is about getting to the truth by Trump & Co? They're trying to retrofit conspiracy theories about F'n Hillary. The only truth is in that transcript and I smell something wrong there as well. It's billed as a transcript. Until it's validated as a complete transcript I'm going to doubt it.

No. That is my point. Even if Trump isn't trying to get the truth for the sake of truth, investigations still uncover truth. Even if the motivation is exploitation of the truth, I am a more informed voter and citizen because of the investigation, regardless of the motivation.

I thought that was clear.

 

[Mr. Deez]

They've reportedly subpoenaed that now. So, now subpoenas are required for all cooperation. You are concerned about precedents, that's a dangerous one too. Congressional oversight is now purely a legal process?

It isn't only Democrats setting new precedents here.

Subpoenas aren't required for all cooperation, but it shouldn't shock anybody when an Administration that's under impeachment forces the normal legal limitations (which is what requiring a subpoena does) on Congress's investigatory authority. That's hardly a new precedent.

 

[theiioftx]

To the Democrats, it is irrelevant. That train left the station.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Subpoenas aren't required for all cooperation, but it shouldn't shock anybody when an Administration that's under impeachment forces the normal legal limitations (which is what requiring a subpoena does) on Congress's investigatory authority. That's hardly a new precedent.

So, an administration that is under impeachment investigation should resist transparency? Just remember that the next time Trump proclaims publicly that he wants to cooperate then actually does just the opposite.

On another topic I think this push by Republicans for a full House vote for an impeachment inquiry is for political reasons not legal. It's being done to put those moderate Dems on record who won Trump districts in 2018. There isn't any specific constitutional requirement for a full House vote to start an impeachment inquiry from what I can glean. Should the Trump admin fight subpoenas a full house vote might carry weight in a court.

 

[Seattle Husker]

To the Democrats, it is irrelevant. That train left the station.

Evidence is not consequential to extreme partisans (on either side) but it is for the moderate partisans and independents. That's why this inquiry is paramount.

 

[I35]

So, an administration that is under impeachment investigation should resist transparency? Just remember that the next time Trump proclaims publicly that he wants to cooperate then actually does just the opposite.

On another topic I think this push by Republicans for a full House vote for an impeachment inquiry is for political reasons not legal. It's being done to put those moderate Dems on record who won Trump districts in 2018. There isn't any specific constitutional requirement for a full House vote to start an impeachment inquiry from what I can glean. Should the Trump admin fight subpoenas a full house vote might carry weight in a court.

This is just a political game by the democrats. I’m telling you now that the house will not be take a vote for impeachment. Just watch.

 

[Seattle Husker]

This is just a political game by the democrats. I’m telling you now that the house will not be take a vote for impeachment. Just watch.

I'm not fully familiar with Impeachment rules but suspect they have to have a vote on an Imeachment referral to the Senate in order to force the Senate to act.

What's in dispute is the Republican position that you must have a vote to start an inquiry.

 

[Garmel]

This is just a political game by the democrats. I’m telling you now that the house will not be take a vote for impeachment. Just watch.

Good thing is that the dems are clueless to how this will damage their party.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Schiff is screaming about the State Department's refusal to turn over Sondland's personal device claiming to have evidence he used it for official duties.

That will put Republicans and Democrats in hypocritical positions from the HRC email saga.

 

[I35]

I'm not fully familiar with Impeachment rules but suspect they have to have a vote on an Imeachment referral to the Senate in order to force the Senate to act.

What's in dispute is the Republican position that you must have a vote to start an inquiry.

I’m talking about start of point A to the end of point B. Not all the stuff in between. A vote will never make it to the senate, because the house will never take the vote up. So there will never be a point B. Just the theatrics.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Good thing is that the dems are clueless to how this will damage their party.

Pushing Ukraine for investigations of political opponents is not damaging to Republicans. Investigating that interference is damaging to Democrats.

Says a lot about the state of Trump's party. Thanks for elucidating the position so clearly.

 

[Seattle Husker]

I’m talking about start of point A to the end of point B. Not all the stuff in between. A vote will never make it to the senate, because the house will never take the vote up. So there will never be a point B. Just the theatrics.

I'll say it again. If there is evidence to suuport impeachment it will have ultimately have a vote to get to the Senate, I believe.

Do you think the investigation will never come to fruition? Closed or thrown over to Senate?

 

[Garmel]

Pushing Ukraine for investigations of political opponents is not damaging to Republicans. Investigating that interference is damaging to Democrats.

Says a lot about the state of Trump's party. Thanks for elucidating the position so clearly.

Thanks for showing your total brainwashed, ignorant opinion, MSM Bot.

 

[I35]

Pushing Ukraine for investigations of political opponents is not damaging to Republicans. Investigating that interference is damaging to Democrats.

Says a lot about the state of Trump's party.

Both parties are very calculated in everything they do. But the Dems are not on this issue. They are so desperate because nothing else has worked with “getting Trump”. One problem with the Dems is the more they investigate Trump the more they expose their own candidates and colleagues with corruption.

This impeachment on Ukraine will fall out of the news once they get to a dead end and then they will find something else to go after Trump about. They are going to try to keep this going through the election because there’s no turning back now due to being too deep. This has been a big gamble for them and it will cost them not only with trying to get Presidency and Senate back, but they will lose the House as well. It’s not even going to be close. This has been one big cluster f$&k for that party.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Thanks for showing your total brainwashed, ignorant opinion, MSM Bot.

Defend your stance rather than going to your standard talking points. Unless you are unable...

 

[humahuma]

This is not an impeachment inquiry. It’s an investigation in my simple mind. First investigate, how do you know it’s impeachable if you don’t really know the offense? First investigate, second if there is crime, is it impeachable, if so, vote to impeach. When Schiff lied in opening statement he did not give any credit to the investigation.

 

[I35]

I'll say it again. If there is evidence to suuport impeachment it will have ultimately have a vote to get to the Senate, I believe.

Do you think the investigation will never come to fruition? Closed or thrown over to Senate?

There’s no evidence or it would have already been leaked.

 

[Garmel]

Defend your stance rather than going to your standard talking points. Unless you are unable...

Your stance is so absurd it's not even funny. The fact that you believe that Trump can't ask a foreign government to look into a "political opponent" is nuts. Are you really trying to tell me that every single person who's running for president (republican, independent, democrat) is off limits? The one thing that your media hasn't told you is that this scandal is bigger than just Biden. We have very good evidence that a DNC operative tried to get Ukraine's help against Trump in 2016. It's mentioned on one of the Ukraine embassy's transcripts.

 

[LongestHorn]

 

[Monahorns]

Lindsey Graham is a unique brand of stupid if he thinks Obama's foreign policy was anything close to Libertarian. Actually it was the 180 degrees the opposite.

 

[I35]

That was when they were running against each other. Funny how he’s kissing Trump’s *** now after all the WINNING that’s happened.