Impeachment

Mr. Deez said:
But the basis for impeachment wasn't that he investigated an innocent man. The basis for it was the "how," not the "what." The "how" matters.

Think about the reverse. Suppose Hunter Biden could somehow completely and conclusively prove his innocence. Would that make Trump's actions more impeachable? No, because that wasn't the issue.
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Biden’s being paid for is part one. Part two is that no one in the State dept wanted to address it, thus leaving it to Trump to advance in a call.
 
mchammer said:
Part two is that no one in the State dept wanted to address it, thus leaving it to Trump to advance in a call.
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But we now know that wasn't true. Our own DoJ was and is investigating the matter.

And again, whether Biden was or wasn't getting paid was never the point.
 
mchammer said:
Which wasn’t revealed until after the election.
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Yes, I know, but again, that isn't the point. If he wanted an investigation launched, he should have talked to William Barr, not Rudy Giuliani. The legitimate option was available. He chose the sleazy one, and Biden's innocence or guilt has no bearing on its sleaziness.
 
Would be just another colossal waste of Congress time and further divide the country. He is gone in 12 days. I expect they will go after him post presidency too. Uniting the country my ***.
 
Mr. Deez said:
If they can do it quickly.
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I'm expecting a House vote next week. George Conway claimed he's counted 67 votes in the Senate ready to impeach Trump. I know Murkowski just called on Trump to resign and Sasse said this morning he was open to impeaching Trump.

I'm in favor of impeachment if only to fully close the chapter on this dark element of our history and ensure Trump can never run for federal office again.
 
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Seattle Husker said:
I'm expecting a House vote next week. George Conway claimed he's counted 67 votes in the Senate ready to impeach Trump. I know Murkowski just called on Trump to resign and Sasse said this morning he was open to impeaching Trump.
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I'd do two articles - one for the call to the Georgia SoS and another for the riot. The "election was rigged" extremists and QAnon freaks need to be John Birched from the GOP. Impeachment would be a step in that direction.
 
Seattle Husker said:
I'm expecting a House vote next week. George Conway claimed he's counted 67 votes in the Senate ready to impeach Trump. I know Murkowski just called on Trump to resign and Sasse said this morning he was open to impeaching Trump.

I'm in favor of impeachment if only to fully close the chapter on this dark element of our history and ensure Trump can never run for federal office again.
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I have a hard time believing they can get to 67 votes in the Senate. If so then the Republican party can look forward to being the minority party for quite some time. They may not like Trump but he still commands enough voters to influence elections. I suspect in the end most of the Republican Senators will say there is no need to proceed with removal since he is leaving office in a few days. Romney, Sasse, and Murkowski would likely vote for removal though.
 
UTChE96 said:
I have a hard time believing they can get to 67 votes in the Senate. If so then the Republican party can look forward to being the minority party for quite some time. They may not like Trump but he still commands enough voters to influence elections. I suspect in the end most of the Republican Senators will say there is no need to proceed with removal since he is leaving office in a few days. Romney, Sasse, and Murkowski would likely vote for removal though.
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The R Senators certainly want the easy way out. Of course, they also know that Trump is proving that he'll never go away. He'll be a drag on the Republican party in perpetuity. Impeachment formally puts a nail in his coffin and his involvement in the Republican Party. Yes, it would certainly mean a fracturing of the Republican party but the alternative is slowly bleeding out.

I said this a few months back that a split of the Republican party could lead to a Democratic Party split too. Biden and the Centrists have power now. Absent a viable Republican Party, Sanders and AOC are going to demand action on their priorities. If the Centrist win, the left extremes have no reason to stay in the Democratic Party.
 
Even understanding your premise of banishing Trump I have to wonder just how the fervent Trumper would take that? Obviously he would be gone to the Rep party but would that be motivation for a third party? I don’t know but everything is unpredictable these days and other than, as you describe, neutering what could impeachment achieve when maybe 7 days or less left to his presidency? Seems purely vindictive to me.
 
Mr. Deez said:
I'd do two articles - one for the call to the Georgia SoS and another for the riot. The "election was rigged" extremists and QAnon freaks need to be John Birched from the GOP. Impeachment would be a step in that direction.
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Man, good for you, the liberals here love you.
 
A. He should go to the phantom zone with Zod.
B. The faster they can purge the GOP of this rabble, the better. It's like bad shellfish. You're gonna have little Trump, Ivanka, etc. plus all of the hangers on like Matt Gaetz and such. You've got reasonable GOP congressmen scared to get primaried by a Q/Trump Republican.
C. Can we get the truth out about this Q guy who's a pig farmer who left 4 chan because he wanted to assure that kiddie porn and other black market internet stuff would be available. I mean these nutty conspiracy theories lead to what we just saw play out. These people still think this is all part of Trump's grand "Operation" and he's going to rise from the ashes with his eagle tattoo and six pack and lead this country.
 
OUBubba said:
Because he's not a nut. He's reasonable and somewhat moderate.

PS: Not implying anyone is a nut but I am saying that facts seem to be lost on some.
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Ha! Sure he is. Oh man, let me catch up to you in the drinking. Hang on...

Eh, we're all a little nuts. But not as much as people who live in Oklahoma.
 
The best thing for GOP to do in 2021 starting NOW is to shut up and let the Dems over reach with their authoritarian communism. It’s already happening.
 
mchammer said:
The best thing for GOP to do in 2021 starting NOW is to shut up and let the Dems over reach with their authoritarian communism. It’s already happening.
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Nah, it will just be the normal parade of RINOs with what ought to be done, who should be investigated etc. Things they could have own when they had the power to do so.
 
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I'm no Constitutional scholar, but does the impeachment process not allow for the accused to mount a defense? Or does impeachment just circumvent the entire principle of due process?
 
OUBubba said:
Because he's not a nut. He's reasonable and somewhat moderate.
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I don't believe in infant circumcision, and I think Magic Johnson is faking his HIV/AIDS diagnosis. Many would call me a nut.

I'm reasonable when I can be, but I can dig in and be unreasonable and uncompromising when it really counts. For example, I was pretty much ok with McConnell playing hardball on judicial nominations, because I know that is a bare-knuckled brawl. It shouldn't be, but it is.

I'm not a moderate on much of anything.
 
OrangeShogun said:
I'm no Constitutional scholar, but does the impeachment process not allow for the accused to mount a defense? Or does impeachment just circumvent the entire principle of due process?
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He'd get a trial in the Senate, so he'd be represented by counsel, get to call witnesses, raise whatever defenses he wished, etc.
 
Mr. Deez said:
He'd get a trial in the Senate, so he'd be represented by counsel, get to call witnesses, raise whatever defenses he wished, etc.
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If Trump didn’t have the votes, his counsel can delay the vote till after inauguration. However, I believe you can impeach post-office too.
 
Impeachment would be like the first one: political crime vs real crime. Trump obviously didn’t comment a real crime. So, if you go for the political crime, it sets a bad precedent.
 
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