Impeachment

Here is the group that has been driving the impeachment of Trump -- Nancy Pelosi (San Francisco), Maxine Waters (LA), Adam Schiff (Hollywood), Jerry Nadler (NYC - Upper West Side of Manhattan), Eliot Engel (NYC - the Bronx and Westchester County), Carolyn Maloney (NYC - East Side of Manhattan, Long Island, Queens, Brooklyn) and Richard Neal (Massachusetts)

Do you think these bi-coastal elites give a crap about you or care what you think -- about anything? Ever? Pretty sure we can all guess what they think of Texas.

If we do away with the electoral college, these same people will control everything.

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I tuned into CNN at the start of the IG Report, just to see what they were saying
Guess what?
They were not covering it
They completely skipped Lindsey Graham's opening statement about the origins of the Russia investigation.
They picked up coverage only when Feinstein began talking
Anyone surprised?
 
Joe Fan said:
I tuned into CNN at the start of the IG Report, just to see what they were saying
Guess what?
They were not covering it
They completely skipped Lindsey Graham's opening statement about the origins of the Russia investigation.
They picked up coverage only when Feinstein began talking
Anyone surprised?
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I heard they didn't cover it all, but no, that does not surprise me they would tune in for that shrill.
 
Got a kick out of Tennessee's Steve Cohen claiming that Trump's phone call with the Ukrainian president was somehow an affront to the memory of Martin Luther King Jr. Figure that one out!

Godwin's Law deals with the probability of someone invoking Hitler in a debate. Maybe we need a name for the first person to invoke MLK's name to give the appearance of righteousness to their side of the debate.
 
There were some very well stated monologues from both sides. That said, there were some poor ones from both sides as well.
 
OUBubba said:
There were some very well stated monologues from both sides. That said, there were some poor ones from both sides as well.
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But where are we?

Do we have direct evidence that:

1) Trump directly threatened to withhold aid unless the Biden's were investigated?
2) Trump ordered his agent to pass along the threat and the agent in fact did pass along the threat?

And what about the nauseating hypocrisy of the white privilege attack campaign against a select group of white people (smacks of 1930's Germany) and the rush to cover for the Biden's actions and privilege?
 
Joe Fan said:
Here is the group that has been driving the impeachment of Trump -- Nancy Pelosi (San Francisco), Maxine Waters (LA), Adam Schiff (Hollywood), Jerry Nadler (NYC - Upper West Side of Manhattan), Eliot Engel (NYC - the Bronx and Westchester County), Carolyn Maloney (NYC - East Side of Manhattan, Long Island, Queens, Brooklyn) and Richard Neal (Massachusetts)

Do you think these bi-coastal elites give a crap about you or care what you think -- about anything? Ever? Pretty sure we can all guess what they think of Texas.

If we do away with the electoral college, these same people will control everything.

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The saviors of America. The pride of Liberalism. The shining example of how life can be.
 
bystander said:
But where are we?

Do we have direct evidence that:

1) Trump directly threatened to withhold aid unless the Biden's were investigated?
2) Trump ordered his agent to pass along the threat and the agent in fact did pass along the threat?

And what about the nauseating hypocrisy of the white privilege attack campaign against a select group of white people (smacks of 1930's Germany) and the rush to cover for the Biden's actions and privilege?
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Ok, I'm talking to a friend from Laredo. He is saying that Trump is guilty because he released the money to Ukraine a few weeks after the Whistleblower became known to him.
 
bystander said:
Ok, I'm talking to a friend from Laredo. He is saying that Trump is guilty because he released the money to Ukraine a few weeks after the Whistleblower became known to him.
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He's guilty for holding it up and then passing along conditions for it to be released. If the conditions were something that furthered US foreign policy there'd be some wiggle room for him. They don't. The conditions were very clearly part of a domestic political errand. Notorious lefty John Bolton referred to it as a drug deal and advised staff to go to the Office of General Counsel.
 
OUBubba said:
He's guilty for holding it up and then passing along conditions for it to be released. If the conditions were something that furthered US foreign policy there'd be some wiggle room for him. They don't. The conditions were very clearly part of a domestic political errand. Notorious lefty John Bolton referred to it as a drug deal and advised staff to go to the Office of General Counsel.
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I just read the transcript. I saw a mention of "Crowdstrike" by Trump along with the tag line of "if it's possible" meaning he hope's the Ukraine President checks out Crowdstrike. No mention of the Biden's. What am I missing here? The transcript was once represented as direct evidence. It also would be part of the trail you are establishing when you say, "... and then passing along conditions for it to be released."

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf
 
bystander said:
I just read the transcript. I saw a mention of "Crowdstrike" by Trump along with the tag line of "if it's possible" meaning he hope's the Ukraine President checks out Crowdstrike. No mention of the Biden's. What am I missing here? The transcript was once represented as direct evidence. It also would be part of the trail you are establishing when you say, "... and then passing along conditions for it to be released."

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf
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Top of page 4 he references Biden's son and Biden. I also don't like that "she's going to go through some things". He could have replaced her with no pretext. I'm told Obama put in all new Ambassadors. Hell the pretext makes it worse. And, to make her go through something months after she's already been replaced is craven to try to validate your "drug deal".
 
horninchicago said:
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Yermak disputes and refutes Sondland's testimony, but a vote will be held without Yermak testifying.

Sham.
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Look at motivations. Why would Sondland tell this lie? There is no good reason unless he played the long con and paid a cool million to Trump's inauguration just to become an ambassador so that he could be involved in this drug deal to then go and lie about it. I mean that's some active measures.

Or, this dude is worried that if they tell the truth then Trump will do something like invite Vlad or Kisliak to the White House and eventually swing over to their side in the actual shooting war that's going on. I mean that would never happen, right?
 
OUBubba said:
Look at motivations. Why would Sondland tell this lie? There is no good reason unless he played the long con and paid a cool million to Trump's inauguration just to become an ambassador so that he could be involved in this drug deal to then go and lie about it. I mean that's some active measures.

Or, this dude is worried that if they tell the truth then Trump will do something like invite Vlad or Kisliak to the White House and eventually swing over to their side in the actual shooting war that's going on. I mean that would never happen, right?
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I didn't say Sondland lied, and I haven't heard Rs say he did. His recollections are being questioned. He said he didn't recall, in some form, over 300 times I think it was.

So, are you calling a Ukranian a liar like the Dems are saying Zelensky is?
 
horninchicago said:
I didn't say Sondland lied, and I haven't heard Rs say he did. His recollections are being questioned. He said he didn't recall, in some form, over 300 times I think it was.

So, are you calling a Ukranian a liar like the Dems are saying Zelensky is?
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Yes. They have a very good reason to be less than forthright with the truth. It's on their eastern border.
 
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