IMO, the Fix is in

I provided US data. Now I am providing GA data. Your turn.

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OrangeShogun said:
Yeah, a lady shot by Capitol PD if I'm not mistaken. When the "rabble" as labeled by the MSM and political elite actually start to fight back, well, then it's going to get nasty.
Disgusting to hear the MSM expressing their utter shock and displeasure that mere commoners would dare to enter the Capitol Bldg. Burning down businesses, looting, destroying people's livelihoods, no problem, but for the unclean to set foot inside the hallowed elitist halls of Congress! How dare they!
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Yes, the media has completely flipped out over today
Even the local news where I live is covering it live
While this same media completely ignored 7 months of looting and rioting and arson and assault
It is the exact same media people

7 months of rioting
vs
1 day of rioting

Again, I suggest there is but a single explanation for this disparate treatment
And that is who it is doing the protesting

I further suggest this country cannot survive this level of injustice or separate rules for different citizens.
 
Seattle Husker, I will do your work for you. Here is the data which proves my original claim about a 10xs reduction in ballot rejection in GA, showing your fact checker gotcha to be wrong.

This is the kind of willful ignorance I am talking about. If this wouldn't have been ignored by those in power there wouldn't be a protest in the Capital building today. But no let's blame those are aware of the fraud (or potential fraud) and mad no one is doing anything about it.

 
@Monahorns I'll play and I truly appreciate the dialogue. Here is an NYT synopsis of Sterling Gabriel's response to this point. I'll also link the video below.

TRUMP’S CLAIM: That, compared with previous election cycles, Georgia rejected a suspiciously low number of mail-in ballots.

STERLING’S EXPLANATION: The decrease in rejections is attributable to a recently passed law that gives Georgians a chance to correct problems, such as a rejected signature, with their ballots. Both parties had teams roaming the state and contacting voters whose ballots were at risk of rejection, but Mr. Sterling said the Democrats were simply more prepared for the task.
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Simple explanation. They now allow for ballot curing. Still nefarious or completely logical?

Here is the full 8 minute rebuttal of Trump's claims.
 
Maybe. Simple statements. No depth. Democrats are better isn't a real explanation.

Maybe it's true, maybe not.
 
Monahorns said:
Maybe. Simple statements. No depth. Democrats are better isn't a real explanation.

Maybe it's true, maybe not.
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Occam's Razor man. You appear to be looking for a conspiracy thus the obvious answer isn't complicated enough.

As someone in a VBM state I saw the parties spring into action for curing in a close race. In 2000 or 2004 the WA State governor race was decided by 100 votes. My wife and sister-in-law had their ballots rejected due to signature mismatch. Both received multiole calls and door knocks from both parties imploring them the cure their ballots, at least until they stated who they voted for then the opposite party gave a "thanks but no thanks" and left.
 
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Joe Fan said:
When did you condemn them? Sua sponte without first being prompted to do so? Maybe you did so in a reply after being first called out.
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That's a joke. I was critical all along. I even called on businesses being able to sue cities for not enforcing their laws.
 
SH You are missing my point. Do it publicly so the citizens see if first hand. Those same citizens do not trust these judges especially when they see how biased they are on other issues.

There will be some that never believe it whatsoever, but I believe there are many more will when the evidence is clearly presented. Prayers for our republic.
 
nashhorn said:
ok SH, do you challenge this? No summer of love? Granted it wasn’t the US Capital and I detest that, but it was in American cities and Police Depts and Fed buildings, am I correct?

I do confess fear about where we are and where we may be headed. I just place different blame and cause of the fear.
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As i recall, SH was in hiding most of that period of time. Caught in lies to Garmel or MCH and slithered away under a rock i guess. Forgot which poster busted his ***, and it doesn't matter.
 
STERLING’S EXPLANATION: The decrease in rejections is attributable to a recently passed law that gives Georgians a chance to correct problems, such as a rejected signature, with their ballots. Both parties had teams roaming the state and contacting voters whose ballots were at risk of rejection, but Mr. Sterling said the Democrats were simply more prepared for the task.
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Okay. So that explains why the rejection number went down. But now I need an explanation of the subquote below.

Both parties had teams roaming the state and contacting voters whose ballots were at risk of rejection, but Mr. Sterling said the Democrats were simply more prepared for the task.
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Ds and Rs were roaming the state? They had access to ballots? Is this normal? Maybe it is. But they had political operatives handling ballots and contacting voters about changing something. Is the signature on the envelope? If not, they were opening the ballots then asking people to make additions... or other changes. That is sketchy and opens the process up for corruption. But they weren't counting those votes until all the in-person votes were counted?

This onion gets more and more confusing the more layers get removed.
 
I took a course in group psychology in about 1970 and read a lot about mobs and how they form and are controlled in part by adrenalin. My limited experience with violent mobs (been a part of two of them during the anti war dustup) is that usually it is just a minority of the participants (true of the blm mobs and the folks in DC yesterday) who get so worked up that they go over the line. Most of the blm folks blew some steam and went home, as did the Trumpies yesterday. So yes, mostly peaceful demonstrators were in the same environment as some people who overdid it. This time it was at "our nation's capitol" and so it got a lot more press as one would expect.

I do not recall during the Nam debacle that the press talkers dwelt constantly on the fact that the president was lying all the time as they did yesterday. They don't like Trump and so you Trumpistas hear a lot of bad stuff about your hero. Next time get a better hero. One who doesn't lie as much.
 
Seattle Husker said:
That's not how this works. You don't start with a claim of fraud without evidence then ask for the claim to be disproven. That's exactly what McConnell of all people stated has happened. 62 times courts have received arguments by Trump ans supporters of election wrongdoing and 61 times those claims have been found baseless.
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Many of the cases tossed never got TO a review of the merits. They were generally being dismissed on a standing issue.

Some of the suits were simply poorly-pleaded and overlooked the obvious...to include the jurisdictions that made changes that did not comport with State law or Constitution. Too many of the attorneys in civil practice, not just in this issue but in ALL issues, overlook State Constitutions and, consequently, punt otherwise-viable claims.
 
theiioftx said:
Congress brought MLB before the house during the steroids scandal. I say bring anyone who signed an affidavit that they witnessed voter fraud for public testimony under penalty of perjury. I think Biden won the election, but I do have serious concerns regarding mail in ballots. Anybody that thinks all mail in ballots were completed by the registered voter it represented is naïve.

Go over the top proving it was fair. Also, start proposing legislation to guarantee the integrity of elections.


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I've maintained from the beginning that it was an error to allow the perpetuation of the claims of 'fraud,' when instead it SHOULD have been framed as needing a review of procedural irregularities. EVERY voter should be concerned about such matters. That they are not is a sad testament to the piss-poor job the media does at the true task of journalism.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Someone needs to answer why the police response was so meek until the protesters got to the actual inner doors of Congress.
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I suspect it is going to ultimately distill down to the fact that the group in DC yesterday was not setting fires and looting businesses. I would also expect those in charge to note that supporters of the 2A that came armed were ALSO not noted for firing their weapons in an indiscriminate manner. So far as I know right now, the ONLY shot actually fired at someone came from INSIDE the Chamber and was a government employee who took deliberate aim (based on video) at an unarmed female veteran.
 
Monahorns said:
Okay. So that explains why the rejection number went down. But now I need an explanation of the subquote below.



Ds and Rs were roaming the state? They had access to ballots? Is this normal? Maybe it is. But they had political operatives handling ballots and contacting voters about changing something. Is the signature on the envelope? If not, they were opening the ballots then asking people to make additions... or other changes. That is sketchy and opens the process up for corruption. But they weren't counting those votes until all the in-person votes were counted?

This onion gets more and more confusing the more layers get removed.
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That's not how curing works. Not familiar with GA's exact process so I'll use WA as a reference. Voter roles and ballot status are public. This is available to anyone online with a name dob lookup. I can see if/when the ballot was received, whether it was accepted/rejected and a reason code (e.g. signature mismatch). Nobody can see my actual ballot nor who I voted for. Of course, given the address and registered political party both sides can make logical assumptions on who you voted for. My SIS is a registered independent this had both parties show up to her house that election.

The state does not reach out to tell you your ballot was rejected unless you put an email address on the ballot. It's up to the voter to check the status online or these volunteer political party armies to reach you. Again, they are guessing who you voted for based on party affiliation and/or other demographic information they connect with voter information.

Ballot curing continues for X days past election day. That was the singular case Trump won in PA. SCOTUS limited curing to 6 days rather than the SOS' 9 days.

Right now in GA I suspect there are armies of R and D teams visiting voters with rejected ballots hoping to convince that voter to cure their ballot. In WA that means walking into an election office with ID and completing the necessary paperwork.
 
mb227 said:
I've maintained from the beginning that it was an error to allow the perpetuation of the claims of 'fraud,' when instead it SHOULD have been framed as needing a review of procedural irregularities. EVERY voter should be concerned about such matters. That they are not is a sad testament to the piss-poor job the media does at the true task of journalism.
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Except that Republican people in charge of the election say that none of these fantastic claims are true.
 
OUBubba said:
Except that Republican people in charge of the election say that none of these fantastic claims are true.
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1) RINO
2) They constantly refuse to address specific irregularities which have been alleged. It is NOT sufficient to simply say "nothing went wrong."
 
OUBubba said:
How is it not domestic terror? 4 people died. The best part is the dummies took pictures.
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To be fair, 3 people died of "other causes". There were a fair number of old and out of shape people there. One video I saw was a police officer holding the hand of an elderly woman as the police line advanced and she was descending the Capital building steps.
 
OUBubba said:
How is it not domestic terror? 4 people died. The best part is the dummies took pictures.
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Feel free to point to one time CNN or any other MSM called Antifa or BLM riots where people died or were beaten domestic terror. That’s the main problem I have with liberals - hypocrisy.
 
mb227 said:
1) RINO
2) They constantly refuse to address specific irregularities which have been alleged. It is NOT sufficient to simply say "nothing went wrong."
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These election officials also have their jobs and reputation on the line so why are they the ones that are to be believed? They are going to tell you everything is fine even when **** is burning down. These same liberals wouldn't accept from a CEO that there is no corruption in their corporation so why would we automatically trust a politician whose job is on the line if something is shown to be wrong?
 
mb227 said:
1) RINO
2) They constantly refuse to address specific irregularities which have been alleged. It is NOT sufficient to simply say "nothing went wrong."
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"Specific irregularities" have been addressed by election officials, over and over and over. As some have proven on this board, there isn't any desire to accept information that dispels a narrative that started before they went looking for evidence.

Mitt Romney stated it best last night that he said there was no information that would convince people of the election's integrity for people that have been told for months that the election was stolen and will continue to be told that by our soon to be former POTUS long after any investigation is complete.
 
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