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[Mr. Deez]

Based on what evidence?

We lost control of the House and would have lost the Senate had the map not been so lopsidedly favorable to us. Also, where's your evidence of black and Hispanic Trump supporters switching sides and handing an election to Trump or to the GOP? Remember, polls don't matter.

These women are withholding their kids from elementary school due to covid. They are bonkers.

Where the parents who have blue collar jobs don’t have this luxury.

What percentage of suburban women are doing this voluntarily (meaning the schools are open and they're choosing not to send their kids)? I can't speak for public schools in the US, but in DoDEA schools (where Deez, Jr. attends), parents are given the choice of attending in person or doing a virtual school option. Fewer than ten percent chose the virtual option.

The point is that I suspect that you are assuming that the typical suburban mom is nuttier, woker, and more partisan than they actually are. In reality, these women are swing voters. They are persuadable. That's why they voted for Clinton in the '90s but switched to Bush in the 2000s, switched to Obama in '08 but to Romney in '12. Do they vote for stupid reasons? I would probably think so. That isn't the point. The point is that as a party, we need them.

If these bloc of suburban women can't see what Biden etc would do to the country and their complaint is Trump is crude what could be said to them to change their minds?

In all likelihood, it would just mean being well-spoken, having consistent messaging, and not acting like a jerk. Like I mentioned to the Taint Maestro, we've won these voters pretty recently. If they vote heavily on style (as they clearly do), why not give it to them even if we, as politically informed people, think that's dumb?

In order to keep senior citizens from voting Democratic, we have given up entitlement reform. We've made a policy concession that over the decades will cost us many tens of trillions of dollars in wasted opportunity and condemn us to periodic fiscal crises and having to inflate our way out of debt most likely for the rest of our lives and our kids' lives. It has 50-100 year implications. From a money standpoint, it might be the biggest fiscal policy concession in the history of politics.

But here's a group of voters that just doesn't want us to be ******** and wants us to speak like disciplined and intelligent adults. And we won't give that to them. Instead, you and Hammer ridicule them and say, "**** 'em" if they won't just go along. That's pitiful.

 

[mchammer]

What percentage of suburban women are doing this voluntarily (meaning the schools are open and they're choosing not to send their kids)? I can't speak for public schools in the US, but in DoDEA schools (where Deez, Jr. attends), parents are given the choice of attending in person or doing a virtual school option. Fewer than ten percent chose the virtual option.

50% are keeping their kids at home based on what I have seen. In 10th grade at my kid’s HS, only 30% are attending. 9th and 11th grades are approx 60-70% attended.

 

[horninchicago]

We had a virtual curriculum night with our daughter's 5th grade teacher last night. Refreshingly, she expressed disappointment at not being back full time. Does not sit at her desk and instruct the kids on iPads while in the classroom.

 

[OUBubba]

My apologies for misunderstanding you. However, what Trump is doing here is big. Getting nations who did not even recognize one another are going to do so. We're slowly building a coalition against Iran.

You realize that these are just fronts for arms sales. UAE was already working with Israel.

 

[Garmel]

You realize that these are just fronts for arms sales. UAE was already working with Israel.

Bubba, the best thing is for you to quit reading MSM ********.

 

[Garmel]

We lost control of the House and would have lost the Senate had the map not been so lopsidedly favorable to us. Also, where's your evidence of black and Hispanic Trump supporters switching sides and handing an election to Trump or to the GOP? Remember, polls don't matter.





What percentage of suburban women are doing this voluntarily (meaning the schools are open and they're choosing not to send their kids)? I can't speak for public schools in the US, but in DoDEA schools (where Deez, Jr. attends), parents are given the choice of attending in person or doing a virtual school option. Fewer than ten percent chose the virtual option.

The point is that I suspect that you are assuming that the typical suburban mom is nuttier, woker, and more partisan than they actually are. In reality, these women are swing voters. They are persuadable. That's why they voted for Clinton in the '90s but switched to Bush in the 2000s, switched to Obama in '08 but to Romney in '12. Do they vote for stupid reasons? I would probably think so. That isn't the point. The point is that as a party, we need them.



In all likelihood, it would just mean being well-spoken, having consistent messaging, and not acting like a jerk. Like I mentioned to the Taint Maestro, we've won these voters pretty recently. If they vote heavily on style (as they clearly do), why not give it to them even if we, as politically informed people, think that's dumb?

In order to keep senior citizens from voting Democratic, we have given up entitlement reform. We've made a policy concession that over the decades will cost us many tens of trillions of dollars in wasted opportunity and condemn us to periodic fiscal crises and having to inflate our way out of debt most likely for the rest of our lives and our kids' lives. It has 50-100 year implications. From a money standpoint, it might be the biggest fiscal policy concession in the history of politics.

But here's a group of voters that just doesn't want us to be ******** and wants us to speak like disciplined and intelligent adults. And we won't give that to them. Instead, you and Hammer ridicule them and say, "**** 'em" if they won't just go along. That's pitiful.

We lost control of the House due to endless investigations and media propaganda. The whole "we lost the suburbs because Trump acts like a dick" is nonsense. Trump was a dick before the election and the suburbanites didn't give a damn then. If Trump lose the election it wasn't because he was a dick, it was because of Covid and the economy being in bad shape. I will agree with you that Trump needs to be a better messenger at times.

 

[horninchicago]

We lost control of the House due to endless investigations and media propaganda. The whole "we lost the suburbs because Trump acts like a dick" is nonsense. Trump was a dick before the election and the suburbanites didn't give a damn then. If Trump lose the election it wasn't because he was a dick, it was because of Covid and the economy being in bad shape. I will agree with you that Trump needs to be a better messenger at times.

Remember, according to Biden, it is Trump's recession. Not the dem losers in big dem cities locking **** down for months.

Agreed, Trump gets ZERO positive press ever. He is hardly rude and a dick when giving marathon press conferences knowing ******* good and well he will not be asked fair questions. Where was Obama when it came to dealing with the press? Oh yeah, he went after Fox News.

Total ******** all the way around.

 

[Mr. Deez]

We lost control of the House due to endless investigations and media propaganda. The whole "we lost the suburbs because Trump acts like a dick" is nonsense. Trump was a dick before the election and the suburbanites didn't give a damn then. If Trump lose the election it wasn't because he was a dick, it was because of Covid and the economy being in bad shape. I will agree with you that Trump needs to be a better messenger at times.

He was a dick in 2016, but he was up against someone most of the country thought was worthy of dickishness. That is far less true now, and it wasn't true in 2018.

Having said that, I think the problem is bigger than mere dickishness. It's shooting the mouth off even when not being a dick. It's publicly mouthing off at his own officials. It gives the impression of disorder and chaos. In most political situations, I think that's less consequential, but in a pandemic, that's not what people are looking for. I think that sort of conduct will hurt him more than the pandemic itself. National emergencies usually help an incumbent if he somewhat knows what he's doing.

 

[OUBubba]

I think many people voted for him in 2016 due to the SCOTUS seat. I get it. That was for a 5-4 majority. A 6-3 majority does no have the same pull to the evangelicals. In fact, removing that as a motivator and approving the nominee pre-election shows incredible weakness to me and signals that his people think he needs the vote in the court more than he needs the votes in the election. If I were a GOP planner I would submit a nomination just before the election. Even if you lose you can still lame duck it. I'm kind of surprised some Senators are not tapping the breaks a little for that very reason.

 

[mchammer]

We had a virtual curriculum night with our daughter's 5th grade teacher last night. Refreshingly, she expressed disappointment at not being back full time. Does not sit at her desk and instruct the kids on iPads while in the classroom.

Flu is worse for kids than Covid. The working class will save Trump, not the heated fears of neurotic moms.

 

[mchammer]

Bingo!

 

[mchammer]

The problem with polling is that folks are assuming that the enthusiasm of the Trump haters (upper middle class urbanites and suburbia) carries over to the other Dem voters (blacks, Hispanics, working class, etc). During the debate, Biden couldn’t name one police fraternal org that endorsed him. On Election Day, you are going to see record turnout in rural areas for Trump and lackadaisical turnout for Biden in certain Dem circles.

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

I think many people voted for him in 2016 due to the SCOTUS seat. I get it. That was for a 5-4 majority. A 6-3 majority does no have the same pull .

I respectfully disagree with you here. I want 6-3, and w/ the possibility of Sotomayor's health issues I'd really like to see 7-2 if that scenario happens

 

[Mr. Deez]

I think many people voted for him in 2016 due to the SCOTUS seat. I get it. That was for a 5-4 majority. A 6-3 majority does no have the same pull to the evangelicals. In fact, removing that as a motivator and approving the nominee pre-election shows incredible weakness to me and signals that his people think he needs the vote in the court more than he needs the votes in the election. If I were a GOP planner I would submit a nomination just before the election. Even if you lose you can still lame duck it. I'm kind of surprised some Senators are not tapping the breaks a little for that very reason.

Barry, evangelicals (and constitutionalists in general) don't feel like they have a 5-4 majority, because when the **** really hits the fan, they don't. What they really have is a 5-4 majority to curb only the very worst impulses of the hard left. However, they still see a Court that largely lets them get screwed with when it comes to enacting a policy agenda. They won't start to relax their fear until there's a real reversal in how the courts get tangled up in cultural issues. To them, it's a great injustice to have a law declared unconstitutional when the Constitution is silent on the matter (because it is an injustice).

As for the lame duck angle, they feel like they have more to gain by pushing for it now than after the election. Confirming a Supreme Court Justice in a lame duck session is pretty rough. I'd do it if necessary because I know all bets are off when it comes to the Court, but it's not preferable. And they may not get 51 votes to do that.