Germany's Refugee Crises
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Seattle Husker
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In four months sixty child brides came from Syria to Holland [Source: Corinne Dettmeijer, reporter human trafficking]
How much of this **** is Obama letting in the US?
To dated, 1200 total immigrants from Syria which is well behind the 10k target initially sent. Of course, I'm sure they are all child brides, future terrorists and overall nefarious individuals intent on implementing sharia law in the US.
Husker
Do you trust the BO admin to vouch for even the 1200 so far?
Now BO admin has announced they are reducing the vet time * the time they promised us they used to absolutely positively make sure we know exactly who these migrants are* from 18 - 24 mons to 3 mons.
And now they are saying the 10k BO wants to bring in is the floor, not the ceiling.
Why wouldn't we take the 4.5 Billion BO will spend on these migrants and establish a place in their country where we could help more than 10k and the Syrians would be in place to rebuild THEIR country after BO solves the problem.
In the meantime BO cut billions from the VA budget. Priorities I guess.
Do you trust the BO admin to vouch for even the 1200 so far?
Now BO admin has announced they are reducing the vet time * the time they promised us they used to absolutely positively make sure we know exactly who these migrants are* from 18 - 24 mons to 3 mons.
And now they are saying the 10k BO wants to bring in is the floor, not the ceiling.
Why wouldn't we take the 4.5 Billion BO will spend on these migrants and establish a place in their country where we could help more than 10k and the Syrians would be in place to rebuild THEIR country after BO solves the problem.
In the meantime BO cut billions from the VA budget. Priorities I guess.
here is the supposed Most rigorous vetting process
from the BBC:
"But to be eligible for permanent resettlement in another country, displaced persons have to leave Syria and find a camp run by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), in a neighbouring country.
Certain refugees get recommended to the programme in the US.
The State Department takes over after a referral is made from the UNHCR, and the Department of Homeland Security decides whether an individual application is approved.
If a refugee is cleared to be considered by the US, the process for approval is lengthy - 18-24 months, said one senior administration official. "
Refugees are admitted at about a 50% acceptance rate after being subjected to "the most rigorous screening of any traveller to the US," an official told reporters in a conference call.
That involves extensive in-person interviews about their experiences with conflict, as well as the collection of both biometric and biographic information that is cross-checked with the State Department, the Department of Homeland Security and in some cases, the Department of Defense.
More at
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34848248
So someone checks biometric and biographic data? Unless Syria was more advanced that is known when did the biometric and biographic info get collected? When they arrived at the camp. And of course NO ONE would ever lie about their bio info, Nah. There is no way to confirm this.
and oh WOW the bio info is crosschecked with State, DHS and DOD. When did those dept go to Syria etc and collect biographic and biometics info on people living in Syria etc?
Then there is the interview where they can determine the person is telling the truth that they are oppressed and in danger and oh no they would NEVER become a terrorist once they get into US.
The San Bernardino female murdered assured her interviewer of that>
Anyone why would we bring them in now period? OR why would we think the vetting process at 18-24 mons BO admin assured us was necessary could be cut down to 3?
from the BBC:
"But to be eligible for permanent resettlement in another country, displaced persons have to leave Syria and find a camp run by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), in a neighbouring country.
Certain refugees get recommended to the programme in the US.
The State Department takes over after a referral is made from the UNHCR, and the Department of Homeland Security decides whether an individual application is approved.
If a refugee is cleared to be considered by the US, the process for approval is lengthy - 18-24 months, said one senior administration official. "
Refugees are admitted at about a 50% acceptance rate after being subjected to "the most rigorous screening of any traveller to the US," an official told reporters in a conference call.
That involves extensive in-person interviews about their experiences with conflict, as well as the collection of both biometric and biographic information that is cross-checked with the State Department, the Department of Homeland Security and in some cases, the Department of Defense.
More at
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34848248
So someone checks biometric and biographic data? Unless Syria was more advanced that is known when did the biometric and biographic info get collected? When they arrived at the camp. And of course NO ONE would ever lie about their bio info, Nah. There is no way to confirm this.
and oh WOW the bio info is crosschecked with State, DHS and DOD. When did those dept go to Syria etc and collect biographic and biometics info on people living in Syria etc?
Then there is the interview where they can determine the person is telling the truth that they are oppressed and in danger and oh no they would NEVER become a terrorist once they get into US.
The San Bernardino female murdered assured her interviewer of that>
Anyone why would we bring them in now period? OR why would we think the vetting process at 18-24 mons BO admin assured us was necessary could be cut down to 3?
Joe Fan
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Not sure I believe that number. The only thing we can be semi-certain of is the amount of money requested. As far as Ive seen, the Obama people are not disclosing the full numbers or settlement locations.
How many 8-year old brides does it take before you would be willing to oppose more?
NJlonghorn
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How many 8-year old brides does it take before you would be willing to oppose more?
That "child-bride" photo you posted is a hoax. It has been widely debunked many times, such as here. The truth is that young girls at a Muslim wedding wear white dresses. Those who were at the mass wedding from which your photo arises, including western journalists, are on record saying that all of the brides were over 16, and most were over 18.
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Seattle Husker
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Edited: Deleted my original post because NJlonghorn said it better than I. My initial post questioned the validity of the pictures or the implication that Syrian cultural norms encompass any idea that marrying off 8yr olds was acceptable.
Seattle Husker
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Not sure I believe that number. The only thing we can be semi-certain of is the amount of money requested. As far as Ive seen, the Obama people are not disclosing the full numbers or settlement locations.
How many 8-year old brides does it take before you would be willing to oppose more?
I'm going off an NPR interview with a Deputy Secretary in charge of this. I could be wrong on the specific number but I think I'm close as it was mentioned that they were far behind their 10k goal and she mentioned some administrative process changes that were put in place to streamline the process.
8yr olds being married? The extreme left certainly doesn't have a monopoly on fear mongering.
Seattle Husker
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Who has said that?
Who cut that? Obama or the Republican controlled House? http://www.blogs.va.gov/VAntage/19356/how-1-4-billion-in-budget-cuts-will-impact-veterans/
You are right though...priorities have to be considered. There are always hard choices to be made.
Joe Fan
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I imagine a situation where a 13 year old girl is granted political asylum in the US by the Obama people. Once approved, she is entitled to bring over her family. So her 40 year old husband get to come over too.
'Every year 15 million girls are married as children .....'
http://www.girlsnotbrides.org/about-child-marriage/
" ..... Almost one third ( 32% ) of refugee marriages in Jordan involve a girl under 18, according to the latest figures from Unicef. This refers to registered marriages, so the actual figure may be much higher. The rate of child marriage in Syria before the war was 13%."
"Not far from the camp, in the city of Mafraq, there is an organised trade in young girls, according to Syrian refugees and local aid workers.
* * *
It involves Syrian brokers and men - mainly from the Gulf States - who present themselves as donors, but are actually shopping for brides.
They prey on refugee families, living in rented accommodation, who are struggling to get by.
Local sources say the going rate for a bride is between 2,000 and 10,000 Jordanian dinars ($2,800/£1,635 to $14,000/£8,180) with another 1,000 ($1,400/£818) going to the broker.
"These guys from the Gulf know there are families in need here," said Amal, a refugee, and mother of four. "They offer money to the family and the first thing they ask is 'do you have girls?' They like the young ones, around 14 and 15."
Some men want even younger children like 13-year-old Ghazal, a slight but spirited girl with blue nail varnish."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28250471
'Every year 15 million girls are married as children .....'
http://www.girlsnotbrides.org/about-child-marriage/
" ..... Almost one third ( 32% ) of refugee marriages in Jordan involve a girl under 18, according to the latest figures from Unicef. This refers to registered marriages, so the actual figure may be much higher. The rate of child marriage in Syria before the war was 13%."
"Not far from the camp, in the city of Mafraq, there is an organised trade in young girls, according to Syrian refugees and local aid workers.
* * *
It involves Syrian brokers and men - mainly from the Gulf States - who present themselves as donors, but are actually shopping for brides.
They prey on refugee families, living in rented accommodation, who are struggling to get by.
Local sources say the going rate for a bride is between 2,000 and 10,000 Jordanian dinars ($2,800/£1,635 to $14,000/£8,180) with another 1,000 ($1,400/£818) going to the broker.
"These guys from the Gulf know there are families in need here," said Amal, a refugee, and mother of four. "They offer money to the family and the first thing they ask is 'do you have girls?' They like the young ones, around 14 and 15."
Some men want even younger children like 13-year-old Ghazal, a slight but spirited girl with blue nail varnish."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28250471
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Husker?
who said that you asked?
here from ap linky
"
Gina Kassem, the regional refugee coordinator at the U.S. Embassy in Amman, said that while the target of 10,000 applies to Syrian refugees living around the world, most will be resettled from Jordan.
"The 10,000 (figure) is a floor and not a ceiling, and it is possible to increase the number," Kassem told reporters."
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...S_MOOL-?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Vet budget cut. I was referring to the Veterans Choice program that BO signed into law last summer and now wants to cut back, I guess he thinks the VA is doing such a splendid job of letting Vets die why waste more money on those who fought for our country. Instead let's spend those billions bringing in migrants and get them on the dole ASAP.
Priorities.
who said that you asked?
here from ap linky
"
Gina Kassem, the regional refugee coordinator at the U.S. Embassy in Amman, said that while the target of 10,000 applies to Syrian refugees living around the world, most will be resettled from Jordan.
"The 10,000 (figure) is a floor and not a ceiling, and it is possible to increase the number," Kassem told reporters."
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...S_MOOL-?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Vet budget cut. I was referring to the Veterans Choice program that BO signed into law last summer and now wants to cut back, I guess he thinks the VA is doing such a splendid job of letting Vets die why waste more money on those who fought for our country. Instead let's spend those billions bringing in migrants and get them on the dole ASAP.
Priorities.
Seattle Husker
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Who controls federal budget appropriations?
Husker
Pay attention. I pointed out that BO signed into law Patient Choice for our Vets which means Vets could get needed medical care in the private sector.
And about 6 mons later he wants it rescinded
Those are facts and why I pointed out BO was asking for cuts to Vets care.
Your remark on who controls the budget does not change BO asking for cuts in his Vets care that makes it harder for the people who voluntarily fought for our country.
Pay attention. I pointed out that BO signed into law Patient Choice for our Vets which means Vets could get needed medical care in the private sector.
And about 6 mons later he wants it rescinded
Those are facts and why I pointed out BO was asking for cuts to Vets care.
Your remark on who controls the budget does not change BO asking for cuts in his Vets care that makes it harder for the people who voluntarily fought for our country.
Hey I want to pile on SH too!
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...0XI1MZ?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&rpc=69
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...0XI1MZ?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&rpc=69
Seattle Husker
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You should have stated "that information you provided doesn't fit my narrative that Obama hates vets and loves terrorists so I choose to disregard it." Your claim was that Obama doesn't want to fund veterans to which I showed evidence that his initial budget ask to fund veterans was cut by the house where all budget funding starts. The POTUS can only sign what comes across their desk. Congress controls the power of the purse.
Seattle Husker
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You must have me confused with someone who believes that child brides don't exist at all. It was the inference that child brides (Joe Fan stated 8yrs of age) is a socially accepted norm.
In large part because of the migrant issue, Austria is likely to have a President who isn't from their mainstream parties for the first time in over 70 years. Link. Not only are the mainstream candidates going to lose, their getting their asses totally kicked.
I'm not too surprised. The migrant issue has been a big challenge for Austria, and Austrians don't have the guilt complex that Germans have. Personally, I went to Salzburg back in October, and though the old town and tourist areas were still nice and reasonably clean, the other parts of town looked terrible. It was sad to see, especially the main rail station. It used to be a pretty nice station, and it was a total **** hole - looked like Mogadishu or Waco.
I'm not too surprised. The migrant issue has been a big challenge for Austria, and Austrians don't have the guilt complex that Germans have. Personally, I went to Salzburg back in October, and though the old town and tourist areas were still nice and reasonably clean, the other parts of town looked terrible. It was sad to see, especially the main rail station. It used to be a pretty nice station, and it was a total **** hole - looked like Mogadishu or Waco.
Statalyzer
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<Ted Striker> It was worse than Detroit! </Ted Striker>
Musburger1
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...re-politician-calls-islam-law-limit-influence
This article details how serious the issue has become in Germany. The Saudis want to fund the construction of 200 more mosques in Germany which would spread Wahhabi poison. Germany wants to cutoff the welfare and prohibit foreign funding of mosques. Turkey plays into all this strongly. What a mess.
This article details how serious the issue has become in Germany. The Saudis want to fund the construction of 200 more mosques in Germany which would spread Wahhabi poison. Germany wants to cutoff the welfare and prohibit foreign funding of mosques. Turkey plays into all this strongly. What a mess.
Seattle Husker
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It's like a game of Civilization. Saudi Arabia is going for the cultural victory while Germany is sticking strong to its economic strategy.
Musburger1
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I'd say Germany isn't winning.
Musburger1
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It's part of jihad. You can't expand by taking in refugees plus it's more cost effective for the Saudis to have the Germans pay their welfare benefits.
Musburger1
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Bobby knight is full of ****. He was pandering to the crowd. If Trump was that crazy he wouldn't be talking about negotiating with China and Russia and threatening to pull back from NATO and Japan if they don't pay for their own defense.
Was that off hand insult to Mogadishu really necessary?
The families of the victims of the Brussels attacks are suing Belgium for failing to protect them from the attacks. I have idea if their case has any legal merit. (Sovereign immunity would stop such a case in the US.) However, I'm sympathetic to their case for a few reasons.
First, Belgian authorities knew the attackers had been radicalized and were likely planning attacks but didn't even try to prevent them. There's no excuse for that.
Second, the governments of Europe are the reason these guys were in Belgium in the first place. Yes, that's true even if they were born in Europe.
Third, the Belgian government prevents its people from meaningfully protecting themselves. If you do that, then I think you assume a greater responsibility for protecting your citizens from harm. When you blow it, I think you should have o answer for it.
First, Belgian authorities knew the attackers had been radicalized and were likely planning attacks but didn't even try to prevent them. There's no excuse for that.
Second, the governments of Europe are the reason these guys were in Belgium in the first place. Yes, that's true even if they were born in Europe.
Third, the Belgian government prevents its people from meaningfully protecting themselves. If you do that, then I think you assume a greater responsibility for protecting your citizens from harm. When you blow it, I think you should have o answer for it.
Seattle Husker
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I believe public officials should be held accountable. While suing the government may help more information to be released as part of discovery, who gets punished if there is a $$$ settlement?
Of course, punishment isn't the main reason to sue the government. Compensation for losses is. In fact, the Federal Tort Claims Act and most state It claims acts (which waive sovereign immunity in limited circumstances) don't permit punitive damages in any scenario.
However, the theory is that if the government screws up and has to pay damages, the public will hold the responsible people accountable. Irresponsible employees will get shitcanned, incumbents will get defeated (if they are responsible), etc. Does that actually happen? If the case is high profile, it sometimes does. However, most of the time, it doesn't. For example, I sued the government because of an AAFES truck rear ending my client on IH-35. Did they pay? Yes. Did the truck driver get fired? No.
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