Georgia Senate Race

Yellowdog, he came to fight the swamp and the swamp won. Took all they had - Russia Russia, impeachment etc, but they won after 4 years in the end.
 
Yellowdog, he came to fight the swamp and the swamp won. Took all they had - Russia Russia, impeachment etc, but they won after 4 years in the end.

He claimed he would be fighting the swamp but in reality was a manufacturer of the swamp. Remember when he said he knew about the swamp because he had participated in it? Should have listened.
 
Pecos Bill is right. The agencies don't don't donate money. The employees donate money personally - either directly to the candidates or to PACs, which donate to the candidates. So "US Government" probably means federal employees or the PACs of federal employee unions.
 
List and verbiage on Ossoff donations sourced directly from a Fox Business article. So it's gotta be true.

Not sure where I heard the comparison last evening, between potus and the Wizard of Oz, but it stuck. In the end, they both got exposed as empty suits. The dude goes to Ruby Red Georgia, (no Ruby Red Slippers), with the balance of power in government at stake and he couldn't carry his two incumbents over the finish line as the lose to the Black guy and the Jewish guy. In Georgia.

He came into power with his party controlling both houses of congress and leaves with both houses in Democratic control. The Capital building is a bloody crime scene. He has run twice and has lost by more than 10 million votes. That's some legacy. Christ, I owe Reagan an apology.
I hate to rain on your parade but both Bush and Obama left worse situations in Congress than Trump when they left office.
 
I hate to rain on your parade but both Bush and Obama left worse situations in Congress than Trump when they left office.

But they didn't lose for doing stupid things. They lost because of economic conditions outside their control and from pushing policies they had basically run on that didn't turn out as expected. The real tragedy of the political failure of Trump is that it's almost entirely self-inflicted. He did and said a lot of stupid ****, and we paid the price. We didn't enact bad policies. We didn't get a recession blamed on us. We just acted like idiots.
 
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The end of the Bush administration, the economy was in a free fall. It was only the socialistic bailout by the Congress to banks and Wall Street that averted an economic collapse far worse than the Crash of 1929.

On the other hand, Obama-Biden handed off to the new administration an economy that was on fire. A miracle considering the economy was shedding 800,000 jobs a month when he took over from W.

Google is your friend. The General Accounting Office site is a treasure trove of information.

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But they didn't lose for doing stupid things. They lost because of economic conditions outside their control and from pushing policies they had basically run on that didn't turn out as expected. The real tragedy of the political failure of Trump is that it's almost entirely self-inflicted. He did and said a lot of stupid ****, and we paid the price. We didn't enact bad policies. We didn't get a recession blamed on us. We just acted like idiots.
You are ignoring what Obama did to the Dem party in state legislatures in addition to congress. Obama had 60 votes in Senate when he started. Obama was worse. Period.
 
The end of the Bush administration, the economy was in a free fall. It was only the socialistic bailout by the Congress to banks and Wall Street that averted an economic collapse far worse than the Crash of 1929.

On the other hand, Obama-Biden handed off to the new administration an economy that was on fire. A miracle considering the economy was shedding 800,000 jobs a month when he took over from W.

Google is your friend. The General Accounting Office site is a treasure trove of information.

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Again , you are conveniently ignoring the Dems losses across the board between 2008 to 2016 under Obama. You are wrong. Admit it you are exaggerating the situation and move on.

I am not happy with Trump since Election Day. You won’t find a single post of mine on WM that supported Trump’s actions since Election Day other than my recommendation to focus on the abuse of mail-in ballots, which was ignored.
 
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But they didn't lose for doing stupid things. They lost because of economic conditions outside their control and from pushing policies they had basically run on that didn't turn out as expected. The real tragedy of the political failure of Trump is that it's almost entirely self-inflicted. He did and said a lot of stupid ****, and we paid the price. We didn't enact bad policies. We didn't get a recession blamed on us. We just acted like idiots.
One could argue it will be better since Bushism lingered for a while in the GOP (McCain, Romney) whereas Trump appears to be being flushed.
 
I hate to rain on your parade but both Bush and Obama left worse situations in Congress than Trump when they left office.
Bush and Obama both had 8 years in office and significant events to overcome in their terms. Bush 911 and the resulting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama the great recession and related economic events. Trump was elected one term and had CV19 as the main event in his term. Whether you use political or economic metrics it is impossible to compares the 8 year terms to 4 year term in how things ended for each.
You can project 8 years for DJT but it is not fact. 4 years more of DJT was not the outcome.
 
It took Bush and Obama two terms to lose the Executive, House and Senate to the opposition party.
Trump accomplished the same result in one term.
 
Bush never had to deal with the massive amount of mail in ballots coming in that benefits the dems in more ways than one. If we had this same system set up in the past Trump would not have won in 2016 and Bush would never been president.
 
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Bush never had to deal with the massive amount of mail in ballots coming in that benefits the dems in more ways than one. If we had this same system set up in the past Trump would not have won in 2016 and Bush would never been president.

More voters is bad for Republicans. Trump did as much to DRIVE voter participation against him as he did to help himself.
 
It took Bush and Obama two terms to lose the Executive, House and Senate to the opposition party.
Trump accomplished the same result in one term.
To be honest, Trump did more in 4 years than Obama in 8.
 
You are ignoring what Obama did to the Dem party in state legislatures in addition to congress. Obama had 60 votes in Senate when he started. Obama was worse. Period.

Obama lost more Democratic officeholders. That is true. (He also had more to lose.) However, he lost them by scoring a major policy victory that was very unpopular in the short term but that no one has managed to do much about. We lost ours by peddling goofy conspiracy theories and making wise cracks on Twitter.
 
Obama lost more Democratic officeholders. That is true. (He also had more to lose.) However, he lost them by scoring a major policy victory that was very unpopular in the short term but that no one has managed to do much about. We lost ours by peddling goofy conspiracy theories and making wise cracks on Twitter.
My argument is quantitative, which is what I thought the original assertion was based on. You are deflecting to a qualitative argument that I don’t disagree with. Nice try, but no.
 
We lost ours by peddling goofy conspiracy theories and making wise cracks on Twitter.

That's what his supporters celebrate the most. They love that he's a troll. They revel in it. This, along with a horrible response to Covid in which he downplayed, questioned and generally stonewalled his way to 350,000 people and counting dying is why he lost the election by 7 million votes.
 
That's what his supporters celebrate the most. They love that he's a troll. They revel in it. This, along with a horrible response to Covid in which he downplayed, questioned and generally stonewalled his way to 350,000 people and counting dying is why he lost the election by 7 million votes.
I don’t know how you could be more wrong:
1. Trolling has its place. Very effective when directed at legitimate targets. Not good when directed with no seeming purpose or strategy. Every Trump supporter I know didn’t like the unfocused tweets.
2. Biden was leading in the polls before covid. He was strong with seniors and white professionals before covid, just like the Election Day results. Look it up. Most serious commentators don’t believe covid changed the result.
3. You’ve been wrong on practically everything since 2016. Just because Biden is president doesn’t mean that you are going to start being right.
 
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Trump grew his base by 10,000,000 people. We allowed 4 states to break their own election laws and millions of ballots with no voter ID to saturate the system but Trump lost because he said mean things on Twitter. Makes sense to me!
 
My argument is quantitative, which is what I thought the original assertion was based on. You are deflecting to a qualitative argument that I don’t disagree with. Nice try, but no.

I didn't say your initial comment was wrong. It just lacked context.
 
Thanks.

This is the context we were missing.
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By looking at that list, it appears most of Ossoff's money came from out of state. At least some of Perdue's top contributors were Georgia based companies; Home Depot, Delta Airlines, etc.
 
Yelladawg, you're a good guy, and I admire your patriotism, but this isn't true at all.
We weren't in a free fall late 2008/2009? I seem to remember it was horrible. They had to come off of the campaign trail to pass legislation to keep the lights on. I've watched documentaries detailing such. Is that wrong?

Hell, I donated to Ossoff and Warnock and I didn't donate to any Oklahoma pols.
 
By looking at that list, it appears most of Ossoff's money came from out of state. At least some of Perdue's top contributors were Georgia based companies; Home Depot, Delta Airlines, etc.

I don't doubt that Ossoff's money largely came from out of state. Of course, this only covers what the candidates themselves received. PACs and Party money for both also came from out of state. Until we ban out of state money in races that fact is little more than something a voter may or may not weigh when voting for said candidate, just like they weigh their platform or in Perdue's case, lack of a platform. I support Trump is a pretty vapid platform.
 
We weren't in a free fall late 2008/2009? I seem to remember it was horrible. They had to come off of the campaign trail to pass legislation to keep the lights on. I've watched documentaries detailing such. Is that wrong?

Strangely, I initially thought he was talking about the previous Bush Administration and the S&L crap. Obviously the economy was in freefall in 2008 and 2009.

Hell, I donated to Ossoff and Warnock and I didn't donate to any Oklahoma pols.

You're a jackass for donating to Warnock.
 
Oh my I cannot believe, or I guess I just do not want to, that you actually donated to Warnock. Your minimal believability just blew the heck up.
 
Strangely, I initially thought he was talking about the previous Bush Administration and the S&L crap. Obviously the economy was in freefall in 2008 and 2009.



You're a jackass for donating to Warnock.
I donated to stacy abrams PAC. So, I'd say that it went to Ossoff and Warnock. I may have mispoke a little.

We should put her in charge of vaccine logistics.
 

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