General Presidential Campaign: Trump vs Hillary
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I35
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Not sure he was talking about you unless you are one of them.
Deez, I know you and I been round and round about this Trump vs Hillary thing. I do respect you. You seem pretty bright. But because I think you are a bright guy it puzzles me how you view this election. It appears you put Trump in the same category as Hillary, which is baffling. I know the constant attacks on Trump from the left media can set a perception of something that is said and make it into major breaking news and talk about that for weeks. Trump says some stupid things as Hillary has done the same, plus she's the most corrupt person in US history. I think that is where you go wrong. You've stated many times that you are a conservative with strong values and principles. We are on the same page there. Where you go wrong is (and I'm sure you are going to dispute this) that you are voting for or against the person(s) instead of what direction this country needs to go. The two candidates are wanting different directions for this country and if you want to admit it or not, Trump is 100% closer to your values than Hillary. Of course Johnson is going no direction. I'm going today after work to place my vote for the next President of the United States which will be Donald Trump. It's time buddy to climb aboard with the train going for prosperity for all Americans. I'm almost positive you'll disagree with me. But before you type think if I could actually be right and you could actually be wrong.
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I wasn't referring to you.
Seattle Husker
10,000+ Posts
I'll try to stop being so "snarky" and act like this when someone points out the absurdity of specific posts. After all, I don't want to be seen as making it "personal". Wouldn't that be hypocritical?
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Brad Austin
2,500+ Posts
Geez, it's clear today was a very slow news day unlike the past 4 weekdays. We don't have anything shocking to discuss beyond each other's behavior. 
Wiki needs to step their game up or lot of people will pissed at Assange.
He's got two more news days (and around 5,000 emails) left to leave a final mark on this election. I sure hope he was savvy enough to save the best for last.
Wiki needs to step their game up or lot of people will pissed at Assange.
He's got two more news days (and around 5,000 emails) left to leave a final mark on this election. I sure hope he was savvy enough to save the best for last.
Seattle Husker
10,000+ Posts
Geez, it's clear today was a very slow news day unlike the other weekdays since last Friday. We don't have anything to discuss beyond each other's behavior.
Screw you too Brad!
Does anyone want to talk about Melania's pet issue if she becomes first lady? She wants to stop cyber bullying in youth. That's an admirable issue to confront. I wonder if "lead by example" would be part of the strategy starting at home?
NJlonghorn
2,500+ Posts
The information that the blogosphere is going nuts over all related to public hearings before Congress and papers that had been filed in a lawsuit. All of this is not only public but matters of official public record. Kadzik was just making sure Podesta knew about what Podesta was legally entitled to know about. As I said before, he should not have done that. But he didn't exactly commit high treason.
Brad Austin
2,500+ Posts
I spent my lunch time watching her speech with my brother and father while trading misogynistic comments about how hot she is.
Or as it was called back in the 'sticks and stones' days...boys being boys.
NJlonghorn
2,500+ Posts
As I said above, I do think it happened, and I do think it was improper. The question is whether it is a major issue that threatens the very fabrics of democracy, and I have seen nothing that suggests anything like that.
NJlonghorn
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NJlonghorn
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I think that was Roger35, but I'm not sure. In any event, the truth is that it does happen. How much it happens is very hard to say. Liberals say that Republicans do more of it (Link) while conservatives Democrats do (no link needed -- this board is rife with examples). Anyone who is a die-hard adherent to either position is kidding themselves because there is no way to know.
Joe Fan
10,000+ Posts
Good read - people are starting to connect the dots on the Clinton Foundation - this only deals with Sweden. Lots more to come, no doubt
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"Sweden’s business with Clinton Foundation in a geopolitical context"
-- By Prof Marcello Ferrada de Noli, Chairman, Swedish Professors and Doctors for Human Rights.
http://theindicter.com/swedens-business-with-clinton-foundation-in-a-geopolitical-context/
"Summary: Ensuing a brief characterization of ties maintained between Sweden and the Hillary Clinton-led US Department, and summarily reviewing the Swedish political and media consensus on this and related issues, I present a list of Swedish state-owned and private companies contributing in the monetary transactions of the Clinton Foundation.
The question being is whether those were always ‘donations’ from the Swedish government, or corporations, or if it was an exchange of favors that resulted in investments for both sides.
* * *
The collaboration of the Swedish state and Swedish corporations with the Clinton Foundation and in particular with Hillary Clinton, is probably the largest in Europe considered per capita. It is not a purely monetary or financial connection. It is above all an ideological allegiance to the ex secretary of State geopolitical agenda. One illustration is the support to what for instance in Middle East contexts we have called the “Clinton doctrine”: working for the replacement of secular governments by fundamentalist Islamic dictatorships.
For that, arms dealing, financing and training are required– directly or by proxy – towards the forces designed by the US agencies to depose such a secular regimes.
* * *
One illustration of the geopolitical/financial quid pro quo arising between the Swedish donors and the Clinton Foundation (or US State Department at the time) is provided by the deal represented by the giant Swedish company Ericsson. The company Ericsson paid nearly six million dollars to Bill Clinton for one speech, and, coincidentally, the US government excluded Ericsson from the list of companies banned for doing business with Iran.
Another main ‘donor’ is the Lundin Foundation (Lundin Oil). The Lundin Oil Company, where Carl Bildt was a board member 2000-2006, operated mining exploitation in South Africa in spite the UN boycott against the apartheid regime. ....
* * *
..... Lundin Oil Company ..... between 2000 and 2006, contributed with 100 million dollars to Clinton Giustra Sustainable Growth Initiative, a part of the Clinton Foundation. The Lundin Oil Company has been reported of having a sinister record in its Africa operations. The International Public Prosecution Office in Stockholm opened in 2010 a criminal investigation regarding Lundin Petroleum’s operations in Sudan. In concrete, the investigation refers “crimes against humanity in Sudan 1997-2003.”....."
-- more at the link --
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"Sweden’s business with Clinton Foundation in a geopolitical context"
-- By Prof Marcello Ferrada de Noli, Chairman, Swedish Professors and Doctors for Human Rights.
http://theindicter.com/swedens-business-with-clinton-foundation-in-a-geopolitical-context/
"Summary: Ensuing a brief characterization of ties maintained between Sweden and the Hillary Clinton-led US Department, and summarily reviewing the Swedish political and media consensus on this and related issues, I present a list of Swedish state-owned and private companies contributing in the monetary transactions of the Clinton Foundation.
The question being is whether those were always ‘donations’ from the Swedish government, or corporations, or if it was an exchange of favors that resulted in investments for both sides.
* * *
The collaboration of the Swedish state and Swedish corporations with the Clinton Foundation and in particular with Hillary Clinton, is probably the largest in Europe considered per capita. It is not a purely monetary or financial connection. It is above all an ideological allegiance to the ex secretary of State geopolitical agenda. One illustration is the support to what for instance in Middle East contexts we have called the “Clinton doctrine”: working for the replacement of secular governments by fundamentalist Islamic dictatorships.
For that, arms dealing, financing and training are required– directly or by proxy – towards the forces designed by the US agencies to depose such a secular regimes.
* * *
One illustration of the geopolitical/financial quid pro quo arising between the Swedish donors and the Clinton Foundation (or US State Department at the time) is provided by the deal represented by the giant Swedish company Ericsson. The company Ericsson paid nearly six million dollars to Bill Clinton for one speech, and, coincidentally, the US government excluded Ericsson from the list of companies banned for doing business with Iran.
Another main ‘donor’ is the Lundin Foundation (Lundin Oil). The Lundin Oil Company, where Carl Bildt was a board member 2000-2006, operated mining exploitation in South Africa in spite the UN boycott against the apartheid regime. ....
* * *
..... Lundin Oil Company ..... between 2000 and 2006, contributed with 100 million dollars to Clinton Giustra Sustainable Growth Initiative, a part of the Clinton Foundation. The Lundin Oil Company has been reported of having a sinister record in its Africa operations. The International Public Prosecution Office in Stockholm opened in 2010 a criminal investigation regarding Lundin Petroleum’s operations in Sudan. In concrete, the investigation refers “crimes against humanity in Sudan 1997-2003.”....."
-- more at the link --
Joe Fan
10,000+ Posts
It is true that they are red
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I'm willing to bet Joe's attitude towards you would disappear if you quit your nonsense. I know if I was in Joe's shoes I would hitting you back as well. Probably much harder than what he is doing.
Joe Fan
10,000+ Posts
This question, as you present it, is somewhat fraudulent in and of itself.
But, no matter, since it is very easy to resolve. As usual, we call on you to look at their actions instead of their words.
Simply ask yourself which Political Party pushes with the approach of every election for
-- voter ID laws
-- culling the names of the dead from voter roles
-- not allowing convicted felons to vote
-- not allowing illegal aliens to vote
And then ask yourself which Political Party opposes these and other attempts to fight voter fraud, every time.
Joe Fan
10,000+ Posts
I was trying to be funny, and still think they are -- "Local king of the non-sequitur" - come on!
Character attacks do get old but no worries. They reveal more about the accuser than the victim.
Seattle Husker
10,000+ Posts
Is it "nonsense" to say that a blog post claiming HRC is directly tied to pedophelia is BS or should we all simply accept that as fact?
No, but behaving like a child like you did yesterday over it is nonsense.
Seattle Husker
10,000+ Posts
So, no accountability for posting garbage? OK. I thought accountability was valued on the right.
Joe Fan
10,000+ Posts
Everything considered I am still trying to understand why ANYONE would vote for a known liar who repeatedly sold out our country for her personal gain?
Sold out our country to the point that lives were at risk and likely (we will find our later I am sure) lost due to other countries hacking her personal server/email account
Seriously what are you supporters thinking?That she will stop lying?That she will put the interests of our country before her pay for play schemes?
Be candid posters like Husker Horn 11 What do you see in her past that gives you confidence she will stop lying and selling our country out?
Sold out our country to the point that lives were at risk and likely (we will find our later I am sure) lost due to other countries hacking her personal server/email account
Seriously what are you supporters thinking?That she will stop lying?That she will put the interests of our country before her pay for play schemes?
Be candid posters like Husker Horn 11 What do you see in her past that gives you confidence she will stop lying and selling our country out?
Joe Fan
10,000+ Posts
They would not mind seeing her step down and have Kaine take over.
Seattle Husker
10,000+ Posts
LOL! Nowhere in any of these threads has Joe Fan, Garmel or any of the usual suspects been able to admit that trying to claim HRC is directly tied to pedophilia was asinine. It's like Trump has put a spell on his supporters the prevents them from saying "I was wrong" or "you're right, on second thought that was crazy to repost any suggestion like that".
Nope, the response instead is "why did you focus on that", "dogs" or "why didn't you respond to credible post X rather than ludicrous post Y and Z". Mr. Deez said it best when he stated that surrounding credible information with sensational (ludicrous) information greatly diminishes the credible info.
That probably should have been used a long time ago.
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