Forensic Audit in Maricopa County, AZ

[Garmel]

Make you a deal. I'll answer your question in detail after you lay out the evidence to justify a 3rd audit, one that was also being fought by the local Republican County Supervisors. Keep in mind, I haven't even demanded the audit be stopped, only how the investigation is being conducted.

Deal?

Multiple witnesses with signed affidavits to things they saw there is good evidence. Examples - Machine printed bubbles, ballots that didn't feel quite right compared to others, mail in ballots not folded, etc.. On top of that there are multiple data analysts who believe fraud occurred. The biggest question that needs to be answered that only an extensive forensic audit can answer is why there are so many adjudicated ballots (200,000?) like in Georgia? With test ballots being used to hammer out any problems there is no legitimate excuse for this.

Those audits were not very intensive and never looked at the physical ballots.

The republican County supervisors don't want any kind of audit like the republicans in Georgia don't. Why would they? If fraud is found it means it happened under their watch and it's their responsibility.

 

[OUBubba]

Zero. Are they part of QAnon too?

Eastern Oklahoma has plenty of kids who went to college on bill gates’ nickel. The first one that comes to mind is the son of my largest trump supporting friend who tried to get me to read Dinesh D’Souza’s book. Ironic, huh...

 

[OUBubba]

Multiple witnesses with signed affidavits to things they saw there is good evidence. Examples - Machine printed bubbles, ballots that didn't feel quite right compared to others, mail in ballots not folded, etc.. On top of that there are multiple data analysts who believe fraud occurred. The biggest question that needs to be answered that only an extensive forensic audit can answer is why there are so many adjudicated ballots (200,000?) like in Georgia? With test ballots being used to hammer out any problems there is no legitimate excuse for this.

Those audits were not very intensive and never looked at the physical ballots.

The republican County supervisors don't want any kind of audit like the republicans in Georgia don't. Why would they? If fraud is found it means it happened under their watch and it's their responsibility.

Redirect Notice

She signed an affidavit too.

 

[Garmel]

Redirect Notice

She signed an affidavit too.

And? Do you have evidence any of them in Arizona are wrong?

 

[theiioftx]

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[Seattle Husker]

Multiple witnesses with signed affidavits to things they saw there is good evidence. Examples - Machine printed bubbles, ballots that didn't feel quite right compared to others, mail in ballots not folded, etc.. On top of that there are multiple data analysts who believe fraud occurred. The biggest question that needs to be answered that only an extensive forensic audit can answer is why there are so many adjudicated ballots (200,000?) like in Georgia? With test ballots being used to hammer out any problems there is no legitimate excuse for this.

Which of those examples are specific to Maricopa County, AZ? I appreciate you answering the question but leveraging vague information like "affidavits" from other electoral districts don't justify this audit. Surely you can understand why rational people would question leveraging an anecdotal example in GA to justify an AZ audit is a little ridiculous.

Those audits were not very intensive and never looked at the physical ballots.

They are standard audits. Auditing a random sampling is a gold standard and statistically valid. It's how financial audits are completed every day. It's not lost on me that those claiming "look at this statistical analysis" also claim that "random sampling" isn't enough of an audit. It's almost as if there is a fundamental misunderstanding of the science of data analysis.

The republican County supervisors don't want any kind of audit like the republicans in Georgia don't. Why would they? If fraud is found it means it happened under their watch and it's their responsibility.

Alternative theory...could it mean they are confident in their electoral processes or do we have to assume malfeasance? Is "an audit is warranted" the only answer acceptable to you by local authorities?

 

[Garmel]

1) No, there were witnesses specifically from Arizona. Do a search for Giuliani's meeting with the Arizona Senate when witnesses testified to what they've seen.

2) Random sampling is a joke. It allows corrupt officials to pick from precincts that they know are clean and do very little or ignore samples from corrupt precincts.

3) Election officials are here to cover their asses and their jobs, not to find truth. If they're confidant that it was a fair election they would be glad to prove the naysayers wrong. However, when you stall and lie people become suspicious.

4) Physical ballots are needed. Machine data can be altered or even wiped.

 

[Horn6721]

Thanks Garm. I don't see SH posts.
Well put

Bubba's giddy rebuttal was an opinion pc that offered no facts.

So I again, if Dems are so sure there was no cheating why are they trying so hard to stop this? This should only prove them right.

 

[Garmel]

Thanks Garm. I don't see SH posts.
Well put

Bubba's giddy rebuttal was an opinion pc that offered no facts.

So I again, if Dems are so sure there was no cheating why are they trying so hard to stop this? This should only prove them right.

I know, right? Let us make fools out of ourselves if that's what they belive.

Bubba means well. He just has a lot of Okie moments.

 

[Horn6721]

I agree. Bubba has some great lines.
So far no one in here or elsewhere has explained why they want the audit stopped.
If Husker keeps his word that would be a first.

 

[mchammer]

I agree. Bubba has some great lines.

 

[OUBubba]

1) No, there were witnesses specifically from Arizona. Do a search for Giuliani's meeting with the Arizona Senate when witnesses testified to what they've seen.

2) Random sampling is a joke. It allows corrupt officials to pick from precincts that they know are clean and do very little or ignore samples from corrupt precincts.

3) Election officials are here to cover their asses and their jobs, not to find truth. If they're confidant that it was a fair election they would be glad to prove the naysayers wrong. However, when you stall and lie people become suspicious.

4) Physical ballots are needed. Machine data can be altered or even wiped.

1. If the witnesses were as well prepared and truthful as the Michigan one then set your expectations low.
2. Random removes bias. Typically it’s done with a computer to remove human input.
3. They are Republicans. To think they are working against their interests is the stuff that drives fever dream conspiracies where dudes hold whole restaurants at gunpoint to save the children from the Democrat pedophiles who have them locked in the basement. [spoiler alert] There is no basement.
4. There are paper ballots correct? The machines create a paper ballot. I could be wrong about that.

 

[Garmel]

 

[Crockett]

Thanks Garm. I don't see SH posts.
Well put

Bubba's giddy rebuttal was an opinion pc that offered no facts.

So I again, if Dems are so sure there was no cheating why are they trying so hard to stop this? This should only prove them right.

Because the "auditor" is unproven, the process is not transparent and we have a GOP entirely comfortable with lies, lying and ready to punish anyone who doesn't play along with liars.

 

[OUBubba]

Because the "auditor" is unproven, the process is not transparent and we have a GOP entirely comfortable with lies, lying and ready to punish anyone who doesn't play along with liars.

Preach. The latest in cancel culture is Liz Cheney being replaced by someone more moderate than her because she won’t support the orange guy and the big lie.

 

[Monahorns]

A Leftist professor from NYU has been trying to get people to get serious about election fraud using electronic voting systems for 20 years. He claims there is evidence that both of Bush's wins in 2000 and 2004 were stolen. Now he is claiming that 2020 was stolen through similar techniques.

Of course now he is catching huge flak for what he is saying. I think one of the common denominators is the interests of the intelligence community, but I don't have real evidence for that.

If you are interested look up Mark Crispin Miller. Interesting guy.

 

[iatrogenic]

Preach. The latest in cancel culture is Liz Cheney being replaced by someone more moderate than her because she won’t support the orange guy and the big lie.

Not canceled, moved. She can still spew.

 

[AC]

The SOS in AZ was funded by Soros. There is a Sheriff there in the same boat. Both of them are anti forensic audit. It is unconstitutional to allow foreign nationals to fund campaigns in the US. Katie Hobbs will go under investigation.

Also, the routers from the Dominion voting machines are being withheld and now a hearing is being scheduled to explain why these routers cannot be inspected. Hammer and scorecard vote switching is on these routers. Once the auditors get the routers vote fraud will be obvious!

 

[AC]

Maricopa County Admits To Withholding Routers Demanded In Senate Subpoena

 

[OUBubba]

The SOS in AZ was funded by Soros. There is a Sheriff there in the same boat. Both of them are anti forensic audit. It is unconstitutional to allow foreign nationals to fund campaigns in the US. Katie Hobbs will go under investigation.

Also, the routers from the Dominion voting machines are being withheld and now a hearing is being scheduled to explain why these routers cannot be inspected. Hammer and scorecard vote switching is on these routers. Once the auditors get the routers vote fraud will be obvious!

So I assume you don't like Russian oligarchs routing money through the NRA to finance GOP campaigns?

 

[AC]

 

[mb227]

Also, the routers from the Dominion voting machines are being withheld and now a hearing is being scheduled to explain why these routers cannot be inspected. Hammer and scorecard vote switching is on these routers. Once the auditors get the routers vote fraud will be obvious!

And let me guess...as soon as they are ruled to be subject to turnover, they will mysteriously become the subject of theft or other loss rendering them irretrievable.

 

[mb227]

Maricopa County Admits To Withholding Routers Demanded In Senate Subpoena

From the article...

And according to LaRue, providing those images at this time could also put citizens’ confidential data at risk, including social security numbers and protected health information.

If I was a judge, I would ask why redactions of partial SSN creates a risk and, by the way, WTF is protected health information doing in a voting database...

 

[Seattle Husker]

At least one AZ R Senator that previously supported the investigation is frustrated.

“It makes us look like idiots,” State Senator Paul Boyer, a Republican from suburban Phoenix who supported the audit, said on Friday. “Looking back, I didn’t think it would be this ridiculous. It’s embarrassing to be a state senator at this point.”

Per the NYT they've now analyzed 250k of the 2.1M votes. Veterans Memorial Coliseum is only leased until 5/14. They'll have to store the ballots for at least the 2 weeks after. Their current trajectory would have them complete in August based on the current pace though Bennett, the spokesperson feels the handcount should be complete in June.

 

[Garmel]

From the article...



If I was a judge, I would ask why redactions of partial SSN creates a risk and, by the way, WTF is protected health information doing in a voting database...

More than likely it's a bunch of bunk.

 

[iatrogenic]

If the New York Times is bitching, you may be on to something. They couldn't be more biased.

 

[Seattle Husker]

If the New York Times is bitching, you may be on to something. They couldn't be more biased.

Republican State Senator Paul Boyer /= New York Times

 

[iatrogenic]

Well, if the NYT said Paul Boyer (whoever he is) stated something , it is sure to be in context. Even if it is, he represents exactly one opinion. There is a massive amount of whining from Libs in this matter. It's curious that they are expending so much time trying to discredit the audit required by the legislature. It seems like they are trying to disenfranchise the voters by taking away the decisions of their elected representatives.

 

[nashhorn]

Don’t blame him SH. Frustrating to me too and I’m not in Az.

 

[mb227]

Republican State Senator Paul Boyer /= New York Times

I trust the NYT to quote him in context almost as much as I trust you to be impartial here...