Fire Tom Herman

LHABSOB said:
I dont follow the football brainiac site closely but did think this is an interesting tweet tonight.

Gabriel A. (@Gabe_TFB) tweeted at 9:40 PM on Sun, Oct 27, 2019:
If ****’s really going down, imagine siding with the $10 million plus staff, ridiculous, players first, that’s where I’m at. #HookEm
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I have absolutely no idea what that means except maybe some change is coming. I've calmed down a bit, after all the pissed off posts I've made.

I've always liked TH, but he is about to lose everything he is building because this team is losing games and is on a skid that they can't seem to come out of. We got lucky and beat Kansas only because we got the ball last.

It's funny, when I saw the blowu defense absolutley own our offense like they did, my first thought was were they stealing our signals, then TCU owned us as well they aren't stealing crap we are so predictable it's like watching David McWilliams offense all over again. So far this year we have 3 losses but only one was to a team with more talent on the field. I don't know where the disconnect is, but the buck stops with leadership. Before Kansas, I have backed our coaches all the way. but kansas gave me pause on our DC now TCU makes me want to blow this whole thing up.

Tom wants to be up there with Dabo Sweeney and Nick Saban, well he better realize he isn't getting there with this staff. Hand was a great hire, but we have other offensive coaches who need to go. Giles was a good hire, but we have other defensive coaches that need to go. As of right now, I'd walk Wareheim, and let Beaty take over TEs and special teams. I'd walk Orlando and let Ash take over. Everyone else is on notice. DB and Wr coaches are on notice. Beck is on notice as well, the only reason I don't walk Beck is because it's too difficult to switch OC in the middle of the season But once the season is over a complete reshuffle is not off the table.

Next season Tom has no excuses left, he has no skins on the wall to save himself. He is no longer dealing with Charlie's kids he is 100% his recruits and he needs to be held accountable. We have more talent than any time since Mack's glory days, we have a senior QB and lots of talent in the QB room. The only thing this team is missing is leadership from our coaches.

Why does this feel like 4 years ago and I'm talking about Charlie Strong again....
 
I would not be surprised if 2-3 new players from last years or even this years class are hurting chemistry in the locker room. I have a 16 & 19 year old daughter and that generation draws conclusions that are absolutely void of reality. Like for example “start me now coach”. And when it’s a no not yet. **** storm.

You get a kid that thinks it’s about them only, and they can tear apart a team. I admit this is speculating but I have hired and trained a large number of young men 21-25 yrs old and my own kids. I have seen one bad apple ruin a lot. Our culture is not what it was when all of us were growing up. I would bet good money this is close to what Tom is dealing with. The O and D schemes may be part of it. He’s earning his paycheck these next two weeks!
 
Going to be a long bye week for Texas and its fans. Calling for Herman's head is just wrong but I get it and I get the frustration with how this team can be this bad in defense and special teams. There need to be some changes but not at the HC position.
 
wadster said:
Seriously you think it's hornfans that's running off recruits? It's the play on the field dude. These guys aren't stupid. They have eyes. To fix recruiting we need to fix the play on the field. It's that simple. TH is getting paid 5M to figure that out. He has 2 weeks. Lose to KSU he needs to be gone. Put Urban on the clock.
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No, I don’t think Hornsfans is running off recruits, “dude”. I participate in Hornsfans because, unlike some of the other message boards, for the most part the partipants are knowlegeble and/or fair to the Texas athletic programs and the other posters. It is a good board and we all hope that recruits will read.

But when so many fans light their hair on fire over three losses in the football program, to include some posters on Hornsfan, and immediately call for the head coach’s firing, they can and and will have a negative effect on recruiting. All of the other team’s fans, recruiters and the Kirk Bohls love this talk and use it for their negative attacks on Texas. It becomes ONE of the reasons for losing recruits.

Winning is important and recruits want to play for winning programs. A falloff in play on the field can be explained to a recruit (it might be a conversation on the recruit’s chance for early play), but some might leave anyway because their desire to play for Texas is not that strong. But when you start a movement to fire the coach they commited to play for, the exodus gets bigger. I simply do not think these public conversations to fire Tom are healthy. His performance should be reviewed at the end of every year by his boss with appropriate action taken. Fans certainly have the right to comment on coaching and the play on the field, as long as they don’t get too personal with individual players.

That’s all I was saying, “dude”.
 
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zuckercanyon said:
Also want to add that Herman is currently 22-13 in 2 2/3 seasons with a couple of bowl wins.....not too bad considering where we were when he got here....
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That is all fine and dandy except that the team seems to be coming apart at the seams and regressing. Everyone was happy with Mack Brown until 1999 NC State and the OU disaster in 2000. Finally got to the promised land, but does TH have that in him? Remains to be seen.
 
I think the street runners and reps for the other schools (OU, TA&M, LSU etc) probably send out detailed bullets on our teams troubles. Do they quote fan sites? Maybe... if they do I could see how it might sway a recruit because if the true orangebloods are turning on the staff then that's somewhat of a canary in the coal mine.
 
Akers had two 11-1 seasons and had to deal with the worst cheating in history. He was a good coach who got kicked for years before Being invited back in the tent.
 
dukesteer said:
You lost me at # 3. Until today Sam has been nothing short of masterful for quite some time. Today was an off day but he didn’t get any help from his OC.
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Sam plays with heart every game. The O is just tired of carrying the D. The solution is obvious, Tom needs to fire his friends and hire people who earned the right to coach the Horns. Lets start the firing with the special teams coach and D coord. Then Tom needs to call the plays. Then lets see what happens.
 
dukesteer said:
You lost me at # 3. Until today Sam has been nothing short of masterful for quite some time. Today was an off day but he didn’t get any help from his OC.
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old65horn said:
There is a problem, I don;t know what it is. This week, Eagles missed a practice and a meeting, he did not play, understandable. He was missed. Talk of Jake Smith entering the portal.

One thing, in all three loses, Sam and the O brought the team where we needed a stop to get the ball back to the O. In all three games, we not only did not get a stop, the opponent drove the length of the field and scored a TD. Today we just had to hold them to a FG. They scored a damn TD. In the 1st half, we had 3 red zones and scored a total of 10 points. That is probably where we lost this game.

I yield to everyone else who all know more than me. I am just old and have a headache.
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Sam plays with heart every game. The O is just tired of carrying the D. The solution is obvious, Tom needs to fire his friends and hire people who earned the right to coach the Horns. Lets start the firing with the special teams coach and D coord.Then Tom needs to call the plays. Then lets see what happens.
 
I don't think the O is tired of carrying the D. I think Sam is trying too hard to make plays and that is why he is taking chances he normally wouldn't take. In some ways I think he got fooled by the TCU defense but in others I think he just wants to score so he is making bad decisions.
 
I think it was a combination of their secondary being well coached and Sam being frustrated about our receivers not getting separation consistently
 
horninchicago said:
That is all fine and dandy except that the team seems to be coming apart at the seams and regressing. Everyone was happy with Mack Brown until 1999 NC State and the OU disaster in 2000. Finally got to the promised land, but does TH have that in him? Remains to be seen.
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Seems to be coming apart and IS coming apart will probably be better comprehended after our last game this season (regular before bowl, then we can do it again after our bowl game). My HO......
 
wadster said:
Seriously you think it's hornfans that's running off recruits? It's the play on the field dude. These guys aren't stupid. They have eyes. To fix recruiting we need to fix the play on the field. It's that simple. TH is getting paid 5M to figure that out. He has 2 weeks. Lose to KSU he needs to be gone. Put Urban on the clock.
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^^^ THIS!

Quite honestly, if I was a recruit, I would be unsure about a program that DID NOT have a fanbase with exacting standards. I would WANT to be going to a program that DEMANDS excellence from anyone wearing the school colors. I would WANT a fanbase that KNOWS the sport in which the player is being recruited. I would WANT to be part of a program that DEMANDS excellence from anyone who steps on the field, regardless of game significance or whether it was only a practice.
 
mb227 said:
^^^ THIS!

Quite honestly, if I was a recruit, I would be unsure about a program that DID NOT have a fanbase with exacting standards. I would WANT to be going to a program that DEMANDS excellence from anyone wearing the school colors. I would WANT a fanbase that KNOWS the sport in which the player is being recruited. I would WANT to be part of a program that DEMANDS excellence from anyone who steps on the field, regardless of game significance or whether it was only a practice.
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Or maybe a fanbase that will support you through the good and bad. But never a program that is in the process of firing the coach over the next two years.
 
Chinstrap said:
All of the other team’s fans, recruiters and the Kirk Bohls love this talk and use it for their negative attacks on Texas. It becomes ONE of the reasons for losing recruits.
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Chin, to me this is blaming the messenger, particularly with regard to Bohls. In my judgment he tells it like it is, to his obvious detriment because many of the fans and certainly Herman hate him for it.

I doubt many fans really want to see TH fired at this point. To me it would make no sense. But as I have opined ad nauseam, if the dude would just swallow his pride and show some humility, life would probably be much easier. In that respect he is his own worst enemy.
 
Austin_Bill said:
In some ways I think he got fooled by the TCU defense
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and the defense's excuse for KU was they ran plays that were not on tape.

Those two excuses are on the coaches. The defense should always have a base defense to revert to when the unexpected occurs.
 
dukesteer said:
Chin, to me this is blaming the messenger, particularly with regard to Bohls. In my judgment he tells it like it is, to his obvious detriment because many of the fans and certainly Herman hate him for it.

I doubt many fans really want to see TH fired at this point. To me it would make no sense. But as I have opined ad nauseam, if the dude would just swallow his pride and show some humility, life would probably be much easier. In that respect he is his own worst enemy.
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I hope your are right but it seems that some live on the negative, and to be fair, I only know from what others tell me about Bohls being negative about every Texas coach.
We need for Tom to be successful and he is not taking these losses lightly. His press conferences after a game loss are much more intense than those of the following Monday. The boy really hates losing. And so do the fans, eh?
Thanks for your comments.
 
zuckercanyon said:
Lincoln Riley's postgame Kstate presser was awesome. He said "winning on the road is hard"......7-1, can't beat K-State with a new coach, fire his ***.
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Yeah, the difference is he says it coming off beating Texas 2 weeks ago, 2 consecutive Big XII Titles and Heisman winners, and a CFP appearance.
 
Would love to know if they switched squads what would the results be. Personally I think OU has more talented players at the skill positions, just saying.
 
Austin_Bill said:
I have absolutely no idea what that means except maybe some change is coming. I've calmed down a bit, after all the pissed off posts I've made.

I've always liked TH, but he is about to lose everything he is building because this team is losing games and is on a skid that they can't seem to come out of. We got lucky and beat Kansas only because we got the ball last.

It's funny, when I saw the blowu defense absolutley own our offense like they did, my first thought was were they stealing our signals, then TCU owned us as well they aren't stealing crap we are so predictable it's like watching David McWilliams offense all over again. So far this year we have 3 losses but only one was to a team with more talent on the field. I don't know where the disconnect is, but the buck stops with leadership. Before Kansas, I have backed our coaches all the way. but kansas gave me pause on our DC now TCU makes me want to blow this whole thing up.

Tom wants to be up there with Dabo Sweeney and Nick Saban, well he better realize he isn't getting there with this staff. Hand was a great hire, but we have other offensive coaches who need to go. Giles was a good hire, but we have other defensive coaches that need to go. As of right now, I'd walk Wareheim, and let Beaty take over TEs and special teams. I'd walk Orlando and let Ash take over. Everyone else is on notice. DB and Wr coaches are on notice. Beck is on notice as well, the only reason I don't walk Beck is because it's too difficult to switch OC in the middle of the season But once the season is over a complete reshuffle is not off the table.

Next season Tom has no excuses left, he has no skins on the wall to save himself. He is no longer dealing with Charlie's kids he is 100% his recruits and he needs to be held accountable. We have more talent than any time since Mack's glory days, we have a senior QB and lots of talent in the QB room. The only thing this team is missing is leadership from our coaches.

Why does this feel like 4 years ago and I'm talking about Charlie Strong again....
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Miles changed OC mid-season. Worked well for him at Kansas...Nearly beat us and beat Tech.
 
zuckercanyon said:
ya think OU fans are pleased with "winning on the road's hard"?
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Who knows. Don't care. They'll get over it real quick thoughwhen they steamroll all their opponents from here and put up 50-60+ points, anoint a 3rd consecutive Heisman winner, win the Big XII, and make the CFP. They may be pissed when they lose in the CFP.
 
Chinstrap said:
No, I don’t think Hornsfans is running off recruits, “dude”. I participate in Hornsfans because, unlike some of the other message boards, for the most part the partipants are knowlegeble and/or fair to the Texas athletic programs and the other posters. It is a good board and we all hope that recruits will read.

But when so many fans light their hair on fire over three losses in the football program, to include some posters on Hornsfan, and immediately call for the head coach’s firing, they can and and will have a negative effect on recruiting. All of the other team’s fans, recruiters and the Kirk Bohls love this talk and use it for their negative attacks on Texas. It becomes ONE of the reasons for losing recruits.

Winning is important and recruits want to play for winning programs. A falloff in play on the field can be explained to a recruit (it might be a conversation on the recruit’s chance for early play), but some might leave anyway because their desire to play for Texas is not that strong. But when you start a movement to fire the coach they commited to play for, the exodus gets bigger. I simply do not think these public conversations to fire Tom are healthy. His performance should be reviewed at the end of every year by his boss with appropriate action taken. Fans certainly have the right to comment on coaching and the play on the field, as long as they don’t get too personal with individual players.

That’s all I was saying, “dude”.
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You got that bent out of shape over the word "dude"? Good grief. I've been watching Texas football for 50+ years and I don't have that many more decades to go. I go through another decade in the wilderness I may not remember one after that. One reason I want this fixed in a short time frame.

The reason the DE decommitted was because of the scheme. That's what he said so I'll take him at his word. This scheme is tough on a DE. Hard to get the edge if you're inside the tackle but with 3 down lineman you can't play too far outside or the middle is wide open to the run. I just hate this scheme. Got Stoops fired and TO should learn from that. It's not that OU didn't have talent, they had the wrong scheme. It blows my mind that both TO and TH can't see it. In year 3 we should see more than we have. I really thought this was the year. Every team except us and Baylor were breaking in a new QB where we had a 3 year starter. Injuries are a large part of it, but not the only part.
 
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