Fire Herman now. I’m done.

Clean said:
, if you think about it, what decent coach would want to come to a place that fired its coach this quick?
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Uh...Tom Herman? After Strong was fired 3 years into his contract?
Do you consider him a decent coach?
I haven't made up my mind yet.
 
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Uh...Tom Herman? After Strong was fired 3 years into his contract?
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How about if the Board was as impatient as the fan base and fired TH after 1.1 seasons?

You think UT is going to pony up the 10/20 million buyout of TH's contract? Plus, we might still be paying Charlie. I know we were last season. And then of course there's the matter of another $75 million for a Jimbo Fisher-caliber replacement?

We went all in on TH and now we're having second thoughts. Too late! Our money's on the table and we're gonna have to ride it out, win or lose.

Edit: Yes, I looked it up: New job for Charlie Strong means UT saves millions we do still owe Charlie Strong for this season. We owe him $5 Million less 1/2 of his salary at USF. So if he makes $2 million at USF, we owe him $4 million this year. He makes more now than when he was here. This is the last year we have to pay him. So, we owe football coaches probably 8-10 million this year.
 
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This kid has learned nothing from last year, and obviously neither have the coaches.
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^^^ Yep. He made the made the same ill judged throws.
And to his arm, one cannot learn a better arm. By this time, his arm is what it will be. He'll not be able to add zip, strength or accuracy. It is what it is.
 
caryhorn said:
^^^ Yep. He made the made the same ill judged throws.
And to his arm, one cannot learn a better arm. By this time, his arm is what it will be. He'll not be able to add zip, strength or accuracy. It is what it is.
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in case you think Shane would be any different, I saw a Maryland linebacker run right up his nose twice last year. Sam may hiccup late in games, but he eludes the rush. Shane doesn't have the elusiveness that Sam has, so we'd see more three-and-outs....pick your poison, but Sam's ability to keep some drives moving is why he's in there. Threw a couple of touchdown passes against Maryland, too.....
 
zuckercanyon said:
i Shane doesn't have the elusiveness that Sam has, so we'd see more three-and-outs....pick your poison, but Sam's ability to keep some drives moving is why he's in there. Threw a couple of touchdown passes against Maryland, too.....
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Sam was not exactly lighting it up on the third-down conversions...the play calling didn't help him, hamstringing him with crap straight out of the GDGD book, but the reality is that Sam wasn't getting the job done.

And I really don't care if he were to look Heisman-like for three quarters. If a QB is directly responsible for multiple turnovers on potential game-changing drives, then they need to be on the bench watching someone else taking snaps.
 
in case you think Shane would be any different, I saw a Maryland linebacker run right up his nose twice last year. Sam may hiccup late in games, but he eludes the rush. Shane doesn't have the elusiveness that Sam has, so we'd see more three-and-outs....pick your poison, but Sam's ability to keep some drives moving is why he's in there. Threw a couple of touchdown passesagainst Maryland, too.....
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Actually, for the most part, our line blocked very well. We did not need an elusive QB Saturday. We needed someone to find open receviers and throw accurate passes to them. We have that, we score 50 even with the bad play-calling.

What makes Ehlinger so troubling is how he mostly was not pressured and still could not find or hit open receivers. Maryland stopped bothering to rush because they knew he could not hit his passes. Other opponents will focus on stopping the run on 1st and 2nd, then make Sam try to throw into heavy coverage on 3rd. It will generally work except maybe with Baylor, Kansas and Tulsa. I would say “Tech” but even their bad defense pulled it off last year.

What makes me think we are kind of hopeless is with Ehlinger starting, the pass is taken away and it is very easy to game-plan how to stop us. Go all in on the run and you stop an offense with Ehlinger at the helm.
 
Normally we would give our due diligence and give a coach his customary 3-4 years to see if he can turn around the program. The issue is that we are going on year 5 of a downward spiral with no sign that this guy is going to immediately correct course. We can't lose anymore ground or we run the risk of decades or more of mediocrity or worse. This is a program that should compete for titles every year and was under Mack until the last couple of years. Even then he had us winning 8-9 games. I am not normally on the "fire the coach" bandwagon but I don't see Herman having the pieces/know how to fix this and we need the program fixed immediately.

Mack is still on campus and has had almost 5 years of R & R to not be burnt out anymore. I don't see us pulling in a Saban, Meyer, or Stoops. So I say let's fire TH, bring in MB and let him fix this. I think he can even work with the current assistant coach staff and player talent and get 8-9 wins this year with them and maybe more. I also think that he would start Buechele or Rising and get off the Ellinger train.
 
Only contradiction I might have to your post Horngal is MB and Sam. After all he rode w Simms over Applewhite which frustrated me at that time.
 
Horngal12 said:
Normally we would give our due diligence and give a coach his customary 3-4 years to see if he can turn around the program. The issue is that we are going on year 5 of a downward spiral with no sign that this guy is going to immediately correct course. We can't lose anymore ground or we run the risk of decades or more of mediocrity or worse. This is a program that should compete for titles every year and was under Mack until the last couple of years. Even then he had us winning 8-9 games. I am not normally on the "fire the coach" bandwagon but I don't see Herman having the pieces/know how to fix this and we need the program fixed immediately.

Mack is still on campus and has had almost 5 years of R & R to not be burnt out anymore. I don't see us pulling in a Saban, Meyer, or Stoops. So I say let's fire TH, bring in MB and let him fix this. I think he can even work with the current assistant coach staff and player talent and get 8-9 wins this year with them and maybe more. I also think that he would start Buechele or Rising and get off the Ellinger train.
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If anyone thought Mack lost his fire 5 YEARS AGO, please try to envision what 5 years of pontificating with no risk/penalty has done to that fire..... He's living the dream, can point to all those trophies (including the BIG ONE) and say, "See, I was awesome".....I don't think he CAN do it anymore, and he probably wouldn't want to tarnish the image he has at Texas (not that he didn't tarnish that image from 2010 forward).....
 
Horngal12 said:
Mack is still on campus and has had almost 5 years of R & R to not be burnt out anymore.
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Love Mack Brown. Honorable man and just simply likeable. We should have at least 3 more titles during his time and he should still be our HC ... with at least 2 titles since 2013.

There's another guy like Mack out there ... but I won't entertain firing Herman this year ...

At least not before y'all suggest it another 4 or 5 times! :P
 
I'm afraid our impatience with the program's recent history (2011-present) is affecting our current level of patience...and reason. ?

Back The Truck Up!

^^^^^A voice of reason from a non-Herman, Strong-lovin media guy (the article's author, not me) for what it's worth???^^^^^^^
 
Great article that says absolutely nothing. I invite the author to discuss how firing John Mackovic and bringing in Mack Brown set Texas back 3-4 years; or Fred Akers going 5-2 against Barry after DKR was winless after against Switzer set Texas back 3-4 years.

A better analysis would be regression after idiot educrats (Cunningham & Powers) got involved. That analysis goes far beyond Austin to Westwood, Tuscaloosa, Eugene, Seattle, Boulder, Baton Rouge, Fayetteville, South Bend, College Station, Waco, Highland Park, Manhattan (Ron Prince), Lawrence, Oxford, Auburn, Charlottesville, and Tallahassee for starters, but pretty much includes any place that has KornFairy & Chuckie NeinASS on speed dial.

:hookem2:
 
TH is the coach everyone (mostly) was lobbying that UT sign up whatever the cost before some other university (LSU or some other place) did the same.

We won the TH sweepstakes. Regardless of how unimpressed we (I) are with his current coaching/player choices, he is the coach we are stuck with for at least the next two years, probably a bit longer. Personally, with an improved O line, I would prefer to see Shane under center. It's true that he does not have Sam's elusiveness, but a good running game and a better O line allows him to perform at a higher standard than Sam, especially if the coaches are going to expect the QB to sit back and throw and not run a great deal. Shane can run occasionally. I think TH expects FB players to exhibit a certain personality or they are not meeting his expectations. Sam meets those expectations of a loud, vocal leader. Shane does not, which, imo, causes TH to consider Shane to be a lesser leader. Flexibility is not a trait I have seen from TH.

The O line was better, the RBs were better, the QB was okay until those two interceptions.

The D was worse than expected, especially defending that end sweep.

Hopefully, the team will continue to improve because it's not getting easier after Tulsa.
 
Bab,

Excellent post. My biggest problem is that Spring Practice, unofficial workouts in summer, August practice are for "improvement", thirteen weeks in the fall is for "delivery".

Not being able to read a defense, running the wrong routes, not picking up the blitz, blown coverages should be cured before September 1, or give me back all those checks you deposited from January 1 to September 1.

:hookem2: :beertoast:
 
A number of posters mention that if we were to make another HC change soon (I know, it’s highly unlikely), the program “would be set back 3-4 years, or perhaps up to a decade.”

What is the definition of “set back?” Does it mean a .500 record, as in 7-7 through 14 games?

Just wondering...
 
dukesteer said:
A number of posters mention that if we were to make another HC change soon (I know, it’s highly unlikely), the program “would be set back 3-4 years, or perhaps up to a decade.”

What is the definition of “set back?” Does it mean a .500 record, as in 7-7 through 14 games?

Just wondering...
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Upon more sober, literally, reflection Herman is going nowhere soon. No realistic option comes readily to mind other than maybe Brian Harsin.
 
You think Herman is arrogant? He could take lessons from Shaw. The guy is a real shithead.

I don't like Mullen and am not sold that he can get it done. As a member of The Florida Foundation and the Florida Alumni Association for over 30 years, I believe he was a bad hire by educrats that don't know a zone read from the Twilight Zone.
 
Other than being HC at Stanford I don't know the first thing about him. For who they are on the college football landscape Mullen had great success at MSU. Doesn't matter. Barring total disaster Herman will get 5 years. And we'll deal with the race issue unfortunately.​
 
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A number of posters mention that if we were to make another HC change soon (I know, it’s highly unlikely), the program “would be set back 3-4 years, or perhaps up to a decade.”
What is the definition of “set back?” Does it mean a .500 record, as in 7-7 through 14 games?

Just wondering...
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Well Mack Brown's last three years were 8 wins, 9 wins and 8 wins. We followed that with 6 wins, 5 wins, 5 wins and 7 wins, so firing a national title winning head coach set us back at least 4 years.

After Charlie's 6 wins, 5 wins, and 5 wins, the next guy won 7 games, so firing a coach that never had a winning season and lost to Kansas in year 3 for someone not as bad (even if only slightly better) apparently moved us a step forward even if only a slight step.

Other than him being HC at Stanford I don't know the first thing about him. For who they are on the college football landscape Mullen had great success. Doesn't matter. Barring total disaster Herman will get 5 years. And we'll deal with the race issue unfortunately.
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Every coach in Texas football history had a winning record at least one season and at least one winning record in their first three seasons. Every coach since bowls became a popular thing has won a bowl game in their first 3 seasons except DKR and Dana Bible (see there being few bowls when he started). Objectively, Charlie Strong is the worst football coach in Texas history and it is not even close. In his 2nd year he lost 0-24 to a 3-9 Iowa State squad and in year 3 lost to Kansas with the best running back in the country. The only way you would not look at Charlie Strong as the worst coach in Texas history is if you are considering race.
 
Htown77 said:
Well Mack Brown's last three years were 8 wins, 9 wins and 8 wins. We followed that with 6 wins, 5 wins, 5 wins and 7 wins, so firing a national title winning head coach set us back at least 4 years.

After Charlie's 6 wins, 5 wins, and 5 wins, the next guy won 7 games, so firing a coach that never had a winning season and lost to Kansas in year 3 for someone not as bad (even if only slightly better) apparently moved us a step forward even if only a slight step.



Every coach in Texas football history had a winning record at least one season and at least one winning record in their first three seasons. Every coach since bowls became a popular thing has won a bowl game in their first 3 seasons except DKR and Dana Bible (see there being few bowls when he started). Objectively, Charlie Strong is the worst football coach in Texas history and it is not even close. In his 2nd year he lost 0-24 to a 3-9 Iowa State squad and in year 3 lost to Kansas with the best running back in the country. The only way you would not look at Charlie Strong as the worst coach in Texas history is if you are considering race.
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I'm not saying it's right. Happened at ND with Ty Willingham and Weis. Don't know why we'd be immune. Gerry Faust got 5 years and as experiments go that was a legendary failure.
 
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