Expelled.... Thoughts?

I've read most of the stuff on expelledexposed.com and everything posted there looks to be fact. Sadly that can't be said for the movie.

Also check out this INTERVIEW with Mark Mathis, the editor of the movie, (who also owns a PR firm) getting pwned by scientists who call out the half truths and flat out lies presented in the movie.
 
Great interview with the Producer of 'Expelled'
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Wow, interesting article about the lizards. I wish I could read a more detailed account of what they saw.

I wonder how they ruled out the possibility that the indigenous lizards and the introduced ones reproduced together. The statement about plastic response is interesting too. I had never heard of that before. Sounds like the study of these animals will continue. Sounds like we will learn a lot from this occurrence.
 
Regarding the lizards in Croatia. I don't think this would be a plastic response. It is too big of a jump. Plastic responses usually involve something getting longer or bigger in response to a continued stimulus. The appearance of whole new valves in the intestines that are unprecedented in those types of lizards has to be genetic.
 
Ken Miller reviews Expelled:
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Ken Miller is an evolutionary biologist (is there any other kind?) at Brown University and an ardent Christian.

The following exerpt concerns some nonsense from Ben Stein:

In an April 21 interview on the Trinity Broadcast Network, Stein called the Nazi murder of children "horrifying beyond words." Indeed. But what led to such horrors? Stein explained: "that's where science in my opinion, this is just an opinion, that's where science leads you. Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place. Science leads you to killing people."
 
Good discussion.

One thing I could never get past with the Pro-evolution crowd...

THE ODDS..


"But similar ideas came as early as 1983 from eminent British physicist Sir Fred Hoyle, who was not conventionally religious.

Hoyle wrote that a blindfolded person working the Rubik's Cube puzzle at one move per second would need 1,350 billion years to align the 54 squares. He calculated similar odds that even one protein formed on Earth through blind chance.

Since that's hundreds of times the age of the planet, he said, the odds against this happening with all the proteins in nature are "almost unimaginably vast."

That sort of argument is escalated by mathematician-philosopher William A. Dembski of Baylor University, a Roman Catholic turned Protestant, who began doubting Darwinism in the late 1980s."

As I understand it, the rubiks analogy is just for ONE protein... and something like 80 are needed for a cell right? That's like a crook having to crack a safe only to find another safe inside... 80 more times.
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I just don't see the big MACRO type changes happening today. Sure here or there you see minor changes, but by and large those changes were ALREADY IN the genetic structure. I have yet to see an example of a mutation that furthered on the species. IE... what good would a half-of a wing do for a bird... and wouldn't Darwin's theory have an 1/8 of a wing... then a 1/4 of a wing... then over millions of years finally a full wing? Where are all these half or partial winged animals in the fossil record??? Sure we may see ONE with a half-wing... but shouldn't there be tons of them?

To me, we just don't OBSERVE great big changes today in Genetic coding. That's why I have a problem calling it SCIENCE. There are two explanations as I see it... God did it or something else did. What is left to the non theists??? TIME. Give something enough time and anything can happen. And of course, things over long periods of time are UNOBSERVABLE... unless someone keeps a log of observations over multiple lifetimes. The kind of observation needed would mean over 100s of generations of people faithfully writing their data for future generations.

Since we don't have that kind of data, many presume UNIFORMITARIANISM. I reject this idea, which basically states that conditions as they are now is how they have always been.

I just don't understand how many evolutionary proponents on the other side of their mouth use catastrophes such as Meteorites or other natural events to explain the extinction of dinosaurs or various ice-ages. So which is it, uniformitarianism or catastrophism?

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If you reject uniformitarianism, why do trust the laws of physics when you turn on the light, start your car, fly in an airplane, or put on sunscreen?
 
I prefer to believe in magic. It is much easier than trying to explain something with logic or excessive study.
 
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