Education (Not Just UT)—Voters shoot down Bonds; the Educrats are Pissed

[Monahorns]

In the olden days, there was arguably too much Texas State Gov't interference in UT's affairs. Think the Frank Erwin era ('With funding, comes control...').

Now the pendulum has swung so far in the other direction, we could probably use some more State guidance.

I don't care who dictates UT's affairs as long as they follow the principle of meritocracy. The current pendulum swing is communist equality of outcome BS.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

It would be interesting to contrast his qualifications with those of the students UT admitted.

It would be interesting to contrast them with:
1) others who got into the same department
2) others who got in to, shall we politely say, less stringent majors

 

[mchammer]

It would be interesting to contrast them with:
1) others who got into the same department
2) others who got in to, shall we politely say, less stringent majors

If you are in the top 6%, you automatically get accepted into UT. You are asked to list your top 3 choices for major. Obviously computer science and computer engineering are going to be very competitive and many of these academy kids listed them as their #1 and #2 choices. I have no idea what they chose for #3. It could have been physics or aerospace engineering for all I know. Or it could have been a throwaway like communications. But if your goal is computer science, then yes you are going to look elsewhere (another school).

 

[ViperHorn]

And guess who one of the professors at UT's Oden Institute for Computational Engineering & Science is? None other than our most recent Abel Prize winner...

Oden Institute for Computational Engineering and Sciences

Yes and my grandson has him for a class this semester.

For those who wonder what Computational Engineering is, Chop's link is very good. What happens is Computational Engineering is the research part. You have to go to another discipline for the application. My grandson will be getting his master's in Aeronautical Engineering (his minor now). There is so much math in CE that he actually will have a double major, CE and Math.

 

[Chop]

If you are in the top 6%, you automatically get accepted into UT. You are asked to list your top 3 choices for major. Obviously computer science and computer engineering are going to be very competitive and many of these academy kids listed them as their #1 and #2 choices. I have no idea what they chose for #3. It could have been physics or aerospace engineering for all I know. Or it could have been a throwaway like communications. But if your goal is computer science, then yes you are going to look elsewhere (another school).

I bet Texas Tech Engineering, UH Engineering, and others are now full of many of the sort of Engineering students that used to go to UT Engineering.

And UT Engineering has plenty of the sorts of students that used to go to MIT, Stanford Engineering, etc.

We've been #1 in Petroleum Engineering seemingly forever. I think our Electrical Engineering was borderline Top 10 even back in the late 1980s. I don't know about Civil, Mechanical, Chemical, Computer, Aerospace, etc.

 

[mchammer]

I bet Texas Tech Engineering, UH Engineering, and others are now full of many of the sort of Engineering students that used to go to UT Engineering.

And UT Engineering has plenty of the sorts of students that used to go to MIT, Stanford Engineering, etc.

We've been #1 in Petroleum Engineering seemingly forever. I think our Electrical Engineering was borderline Top 10 even back in the late 1980s. I don't know about Civil, Mechanical, Chemical, Computer, Aerospace, etc.

Chemical engineering has moved from top 10 to top 5. Most of the programs (if not all) you mentioned above are in the top 10.

 

[mchammer]

I bet Texas Tech Engineering, UH Engineering, and others are now full of many of the sort of Engineering students that used to go to UT Engineering.

And UT Engineering has plenty of the sorts of students that used to go to MIT, Stanford Engineering, etc.

We've been #1 in Petroleum Engineering seemingly forever. I think our Electrical Engineering was borderline Top 10 even back in the late 1980s. I don't know about Civil, Mechanical, Chemical, Computer, Aerospace, etc.

The biggest beneficiaries of UT’s higher standards are UT-Dallas and UTSA. Next is Texas A&M, which is the largest single campus university in the US now at 70,000 students.

 

[Monahorns]

The biggest beneficiaries of UT’s higher standards are UT-Dallas and UTSA. Next is Texas A&M, which is the largest single campus university in the US now at 70,000 students.

Do you think the level of student at UT is any better than it was 20, 30, or 50 years ago? I don't.

 

[nashhorn]

Wow Mc , that is a lot of students! Scary in some ways.

 

[Chop]

The biggest beneficiaries of UT’s higher standards are UT-Dallas and UTSA. Next is Texas A&M, which is the largest single campus university in the US now at 70,000 students.

The ags would be better off if they focused more on quality instead of getting the biggest number of students admitted.

 

[Chop]

The biggest beneficiaries of UT’s higher standards are UT-Dallas and UTSA. Next is Texas A&M, which is the largest single campus university in the US now at 70,000 students.

UT-Dallas is no slouch. They’re filling the role that UC-Irvine used to have in California. You had the elite UC-Berkeley and UCLA, then a very good UC-Irvine which was also full of lots of top notch students that couldn’t quite get into their State’s flagship.

 

[mchammer]

The ags would be better off if they focused more on quality instead of getting the biggest number of students admitted.

That would assume Aggy had smarts. About 10 years ago, Aggy decided to enlarge the college station campus than improve their system campuses. Penis envy mostly.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

The ags would be better off if they focused more on quality instead of getting the biggest number of students admitted.

Sssshhhhhhhhh! Don't tell them that. I like it when they are perpetual laughing stocks.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Let's see if they change their policy. They haven't so far. Leftists ignore court decisions. Conservatives give up without a court decision.

White males and Asians should be suing UT by the tens of thousands. Basically, the entire admissions board should be so busy sitting in conference rooms getting deposed and in courtrooms that it becomes their only jobs. It should be a colossal onslaught.

 

[Mr. Deez]

You would think that with the Texas State Gov't appointing the regents, this would get cleared up.

The regents aren't ideological conservatives. They are buddies and contributors to the governor.

 

[Chop]

Niche has us ranked #23 in Computer Science and #25 in Math.

I didn’t realize how highly regarded Carnegie Mellon was in the technical fields.

 

[Chop]

And we’re the home of one of the world’s greatest archaeologists.

 

[Chop]

Yes and my grandson has him for a class this semester.

For those who wonder what Computational Engineering is, Chop's link is very good. What happens is Computational Engineering is the research part. You have to go to another discipline for the application. My grandson will be getting his master's in Aeronautical Engineering (his minor now). There is so much math in CE that he actually will have a double major, CE and Math.

Well, perhaps the Physics guys will now finally stop thinking they’re always the smartest person in the room.

 

[ViperHorn]

Wow Mc , that is a lot of students! Scary in some ways.

70k squeezing their nuts even if they don't have any.

 

[guy4321]

 

[Chop]

 

[Chop]

 

[Chop]

So here's what your typical Physics PhD must look like. Deborah Berebichez (PhD Stanford, Physics).

Dr. Berebichez has written scholarly articles on the subject of altering the structural design of optical, mechanical and electrical systems in order to prevent signal transmission loss due to wave scattering.

She went on to become the Chief Data Scientist at Metis. She's also married to a Physicist. Conversations at their dinner parties may be a bit "out of reach" for most people.

"Math is hard", she says...

 

[Horn6721]

Yea but can she cook?

 

[guy4321]

Also, I looked up the Abel Prize. I see two for Princeton. Isn't 3 > 2 ?

 

[Chop]

Also, I looked up the Abel Prize. I see two for Princeton. Isn't 3 > 2 ?

I think Princeton has 3. We're in good company.

2015
2018
2021

all 3 Princeton.

In my personal opinion, Princeton is the most traditional, most Southern in student body composition, most conservative, and most stuffy of all the Ivies. It's the anti-Brown. For better or for worse.

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

Without knowing all the facts I say the same mc, pitiful. As I’ve stated on here before I’ve had one progeny completely deserving of admission who got into Johns Hopkins but denied admission into UT that will forever cause me heartache. Pricks. Nevertheless, Hookem. I continue to support Longhorn sports - dunno what is wrong with me.

The university is more concerned about diversity through first generation students and inclusion admittance. Almost 25% of the population is considered first gen and almost all of those are children of "immigrants". Add in strictly diversity admittance and the number goes higher. This eliminates the possibility of the average student from having any possibility of attending Texas.

"There are almost 10,000 first-gen college students currently enrolled at UT. That’s one in four students!"

First-Gen Longhorns

UT has left behind educating the average Texan. It has an agenda which does not include those with families like mine who are white and 8th generation. Unless they had a 5.0 average, my kids had zero chance of getting in.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

UT has left behind educating the average Texan. It has an agenda which does not include those with families like mine who are white and 8th generation. Unless they had a 5.0 average, my kids had zero chance of getting in.

Two of my three qualified by graduating high enough in their class to meet the automatic admission bar. However, those were the middle and last child. My oldest got completely snubbed, and after that I discovered that via my workplace at the time, he did qualify for a 100% free ride to UNT for 4 years, as long as he kept a 3.25 gpa.

He did, he graduated with high honors in MechE without debt, and I told UT in no uncertain terms that my donations go where my kids go, and to stop calling me begging for funds. As for the other two who qualified? Neither of them wanted to go to UT when the financial picture was made clear to them.

 

[guy4321]

UT has left behind educating the average Texan. It has an agenda which does not include those with families like mine who are white and 8th generation. Unless they had a 5.0 average, my kids had zero chance of getting in.

Uh-oh. Looks like I'm gonna have to take that fake photo of my children on a crew team to get admitted.

 

[Monahorns]

The university is more concerned about diversity through first generation students and inclusion admittance. Almost 25% of the population is considered first gen and almost all of those are children of "immigrants". Add in strictly diversity admittance and the number goes higher. This eliminates the possibility of the average student from having any possibility of attending Texas.

"There are almost 10,000 first-gen college students currently enrolled at UT. That’s one in four students!"

First-Gen Longhorns

UT has left behind educating the average Texan. It has an agenda which does not include those with families like mine who are white and 8th generation. Unless they had a 5.0 average, my kids had zero chance of getting in.

You explain the fundamental issue very well. UT purposefully doesn't let in regular Texans. As much as they can get away with.