Education (Not Just UT)—Voters shoot down Bonds; the Educrats are Pissed

[Chop]

And guess who one of the professors at UT's Oden Institute for Computational Engineering & Science is? None other than our most recent Abel Prize winner...

Oden Institute for Computational Engineering and Sciences

Caffarelli's research interests include non-linear analysis, partial differential equations and their applications, calculus of variations, and optimization.

So any young math/engineering scholars who read these boards, when you're slogging through Differential Equations (aka "Diff-E-Q" or "Difficult Equations"), you can at least know that you're learning it from the best.

 

[Chop]

UT doesn't want excellence they want non-whites. More than that they want blacks. It sounds crude but this is what every corporation states publicly. My daughter's charter high school valedictorian was Turkish male immigrant. He was diverse on some level. He didn't make it into the computer science department. Because he wasn't...

In that sort of field, the level of study is so difficult that you can throw affirmative action out the window. If you can't cut the mustard, you're not going to last. It turns out that the vast majority of grads in math/engineering are Caucasians or Asians. A certain type of Caucasian that the media and leftists have openly showed their disgusting disdain for during the past 4 months is also significantly overrepresented (and at the highest levels - PhD and award winners -- they're overwhelmingly overrepresented).

As for UT-Austin's 3 Abel Prize winners (equivalent to the Nobel Prize for Math) over the past 20 years (that's 15% of all winners for the past 20 years for you Sociology majors), all 3 are Caucasian. However, the DEI gnomes might be able to shoehorn Caffarelli into a "diverse" category as an Italian-Argentine (a White Latino...?). The point is, skin tone doesn't matter at that level. At that level, it's all about brain functioning. You can be assured that Caffarelli did not accomplish this much because his ancestors immigrated from Italy to Argentina, instead of from Italy straight to the USA.

 

[Monahorns]

In that sort of field, the level of study is so difficult that you can throw affirmative action out the window. If you can't cut the mustard, you're not going to last. It turns out that the vast majority of grads in math/engineering are Caucasians or Asians. A certain type of Caucasian that the media and leftists have openly showed their disgusting disdain for during the past 4 months is also significantly overrepresented (and at the highest levels - PhD and award winners -- they're overwhelmingly overrepresented).

Not sure what you are saying here but it doesn't sound like it jives with the anecdotes I am aware of OR the broad understanding I have of the situation.

As for UT-Austin's 3 Abel Prize winners (equivalent to the Nobel Prize for Math) over the past 20 years (that's 15% of all winners for the past 20 years for you Sociology majors), all 3 are Caucasian. However, the DEI gnomes might be able to fit Caffarelli into a "diverse" category as an Italian-Argentine (a White Latino...?). The point is, skin tone doesn't matter at that level. At that level, it's all about brain functioning.

UT enrolls tens of thousands of people. They designate multiple thousands of those spots for minorities that don't meet an objective standard. That hurts society when you elevate those who don't meet the standard and demote those who do. It's mass discrimination.

 

[Chop]

The other 2 UT-Austin winners of the Abel Prize over the last 20 years:

The late John T. Tate:

Karen Uhlenbeck
(the "Uniter of Geometry and Analysis"):

 

[Chop]

it doesn't sound like it jives with the anecdotes I am aware of

Listen to yourself...

 

[Chop]

The other 2 UT-Austin winners of the Abel Prize over the last 20 years:

The late John T. Tate:

Karen Uhlenbeck
(the "Uniter of Geometry and Analysis"):

Remember the movie "A Beautiful Mind", about John Nash? Nash was a peer of Caffarelli, Tate, and Uhlenbeck -- one of the winners of the Abel Prize. That's the level of genius we have present on campus at UT-Austin. Sometimes you're surrounded by it, and don't even realize it.

 

[Chop]

For the sake of comparison, I will now post all of the Abel Award winners from the following schools (combined):

Texas A&M
OU
University of Arkansas
Baylor
SMU
TCU
Ohio State
LSU
U. of Georgia
Nebraska
Stanford
Cal-Berkeley
Vanderbilt
Northwestern
Rice
All other universities in the State of Texas.

Here they are:

 

[Monahorns]

The other 2 UT-Austin winners of the Abel Prize over the last 20 years:

The late John T. Tate:

Karen Uhlenbeck
(the "Uniter of Geometry and Analysis"):

We aren't talking about the same things. You are talking about awards given to the past generation when today's rules didn't apply. There aren't any candidates that meet woke standards. I am talking about current rules for accepting new students. Uhlenbeck has been at UT for more than 30 years. She gave me an A in Differential Equations. So what?

 

[Monahorns]

Listen to yourself...

I trust my anecdotes over your anecdotes because I am talking about the current generation you are talking about 2 generations ago.

 

[Chop]

Woah, looks like the U. of Florida has one (we have three).

So we have one peer (or at least near peer) academic institution in the SEC.

 

[Monahorns]

For the sake of comparison, I will now post all of the Abel Award winners from the following schools (combined):

Texas A&M
OU
University of Arkansas
Baylor
SMU
TCU
Ohio State
LSU
U. of Georgia
Nebraska
Stanford
Cal-Berkeley
Vanderbilt
Northwestern
Rice
All other universities in the State of Texas.

Here they are:

UT is better. That isn't what you and me are arguing.

 

[Chop]

I trust my anecdotes over your anecdotes because I am talking about the current generation you are talking about 2 generations ago.

You use anecdotes. I use facts.

Here's the current (as of 2023) list of Abel Prize winners (we have 3 of them):
Abel Prize Laureates | The Abel Prize

UT Austin Racial-Ethnic Diversity of Engineering BS Graduates

Blacks are less than 2% of Engineering students (in a state that's somewhere around 12-15% Black). Asians are at a whopping 34.4% (in a state that's somewhere around 5% Asian)

The looming point is that the level of study is at a level of intensity that people who were admitted on a racial preference are unlikely to graduate. At the higher levels, it's even moreso.

 

[Chop]

Blacks are less than 2% of Engineering students (in a state that's somewhere around 12-15% Black). Asians are at a whopping 34.4% (in a state that's somewhere around 5% Asian)

So, currently, Blacks are grossly underrepresented at UT-Engineering--coming in roughly around 15% (or less) of their expected number based on State population %.

Meanwhile, Asians are grossly overrepresented at UT-Engineering-- coming in roughly around 600-700% about their expected number based on State population %.

The same point I've been making stands. In rigorous fields (math and engineering would qualify), preferential admissions won't matter, and are a waste of time. Students who should not have been admitted (but were admitted anyway due to some sort of preference) are likely to struggle, not graduate, change majors, etc. And that's what you see happening.

 

[Chop]

For the sake of comparison, I will now post all of the Abel Award winners from the following schools (combined):

Texas A&M
OU
University of Arkansas
Baylor
SMU
TCU
Ohio State
LSU
U. of Georgia
Nebraska
Stanford
Cal-Berkeley
Vanderbilt
Northwestern
Rice
All other universities in the State of Texas.

Here they are:

It's not often that we can talk academic smack about Rice, Stanford, and Berkeley...

 

[Monahorns]

You use anecdotes. I use facts.

Here's the current (as of 2023) list of Abel Prize winners (we have 3 of them):
Abel Prize Laureates | The Abel Prize

UT Austin Racial-Ethnic Diversity of Engineering BS Graduates

Blacks are less than 2% of Engineering students (in a state that's somewhere around 12-15% Black). Asians are at a whopping 34.4% (in a state that's somewhere around 5% Asian)

The looming point is that the level of study is at a level of intensity that people who were admitted on a racial preference are unlikely to graduate. At the higher levels, it's even moreso.

You are talking about graduates. I am talking about acceptance. At least address my actual comments. If you really want to address my statements, show me the list of college entrance performance vs. the list of college acceptance.

You come back with 80 year olds winning meaningless awards.

Did you ever take a class from Karen Uhlenbeck? She was a poor teacher to be honest. But the TA put up with me and taught me the content.

 

[Monahorns]

So, currently, Blacks are grossly underrepresented at UT-Engineering--coming in roughly around 15% (or less) of their expected number based on State population %.

Bull$hit. Blacks are 12% of population in Texas. But further, that communist talk. Who cares. The issue is merit and achievement not quotas. Such a leftist.

Meanwhile, Asians are grossly overrepresented at UT-Engineering-- coming in roughly around 600-700% about their expected number based on State population %.

Yep. Meritocracy. Something I never gripe about. Only a woke leftist uses this kind of argument.

The same point I've been making stands. In rigorous fields (math and engineering would qualify), preferential admissions won't matter, and are a waste of time. Students who should not have been admitted (but were admitted anyway due to some sort of preference) are likely to struggle, not graduate, change majors, etc. And that's what you see happening.

If you admit students who aren't worthy you are taking opportunities away from people who deserve the opportunity. Are you partners with Ibram X Kendi?

 

[Monahorns]

It's not often that we can talk academic smack about Rice, Stanford, and Berkeley...

Props on this !

 

[Chop]

Fact: Around 75% of UT's admitted undergrads are admitted under the Top 6% auto-admit policy.

 

[Chop]

A moderately bright STEM field student who could only get into UT-Austin via a preferential admission is likely to struggle, and possibly not graduate, or become a business major . Same thing at Rice, U. of Michigan, etc. He might be better off majoring in a STEM field at UH, UNT, Okla. State etc. where he wouldn't even need a preference to be admitted. There he would be likely to fit in, surrounded by his academic peers, and actually graduate in a STEM field.

 

[Monahorns]

Fact: Around 75% of UT's admitted undergrads are admitted under the Top 6% auto-admit policy.

I am personally familiar with this. But I also know that they are biased against certain races (white) and for others. I've seen it with my own eyes over many years.

 

[Chop]

Yep.

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Now that's funny!

 

[DrRad]

I believe H Y Benedict was a professor of math and astronomy with a PhD from Harvard.

 

[Chop]

The SCOTUS has recently slapped down Harvard for race-based admissions and declared race-based admissions unconstitutional.

 

[Monahorns]

A moderately bright STEM field student who could only get into UT-Austin via a preferential admission is likely to struggle, and possibly not graduate, or become a business major . Same thing at Rice, U. of Michigan, etc. He might be better off majoring in a STEM field at UH, UNT, Okla. State etc. where he wouldn't even need a preference to be admitted. There he would be likely to fit in, surrounded by his academic peers, and actually graduate in a STEM field.

I agree. But let's admit the reality is that this isn't what is happening. What is happening is mass racial and sexual discrimination against whites and males.

UT has had been sued by the Supreme Court on this issue and lost. But they still persevere in their evil. It's obvious to anyone who is willing to admit it.

 

[Monahorns]

The SCOTUS has recently slapped down Harvard for race-based admissions and declared race-based admissions unconstitutional.

Let's see if they change their policy. They haven't so far. Leftists ignore court decisions. Conservatives give up without a court decision.

 

[Chop]

I believe H Y Benedict was a professor of math and astronomy with a PhD from Harvard.

Harry Yandell Benedict

Well, you know, a long time ago...Harvard was a highly regarded academic institution.




(H.Y. Benedict had “The Eyes of Texas” translated into 10 foreign languages.)

 

[Chop]

I agree. But let's admit the reality is that this isn't what is happening. What is happening is mass racial and sexual discrimination against whites and males.

UT has had been sued by the Supreme Court on this issue and lost. But they still persevere in their evil. It's obvious to anyone who is willing to admit it.

You would think that with the Texas State Gov't appointing the regents, this would get cleared up.

 

[Monahorns]

You would think that with the Texas State Gov't appointing the regents, this would get cleared up.

You would think so, but the results haven't shown it. Many Republicans in Texas are Progressives who campaign within the Republican Party in order to win an election. It's a real problem.

 

[Chop]

In the olden days, there was arguably too much Texas State Gov't interference in UT's affairs. Think the Frank Erwin era ('With funding, comes control...').

Now the pendulum has swung so far in the other direction, we could probably use some more State guidance.

 

[Chop]

And for private universities, there's also a tendency for institutional capture of the regents. It's all very "clubby." Ultimately, with public or private schools, the minions of academic bureaucratic orthodoxy seem to capture the controlling boards of most universities.