*Edited* DeSantis vs Trump

Who’s Your Guy

  • DeSantis

    Votes: 16 61.5%
  • Trump

    Votes: 3 11.5%
  • Biden

    Votes: 1 3.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 6 23.1%
  • Kennedy

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    26
Mr D
The point is you demean Garmel with the porn bit.
Your point about your view on this particular issue is valid.
Don't weaken it with a demeaning characterization.

Dude, we've joked about that sort of thing for years. He knows it's not demeaning.
 
No, it wouldn't be hard. You really need to dial back the ego, Deez. You've pulled this crap over and over here and it gets old. I remember you and Husker talking down to all of this about the Russian Collusion stuff. Mchammer and I tried to tell you that there were serious issues but you wouldn't listen. Then you had the audacity to tell us we were lucky. lol. Your precious law degree didn't help you, did it? You can take your snob **** elsewhere.

Snobbish would be saying, "I have the credential and you don't, and you just need to shut up and accept what I say." That isn't what I did, and I've never done something like that in the 15 years I've been here. I explained why that subsection differs from the others by looking at the language in it. If that's not enough, I'm happy to elaborate further on the matter, but you summarily dismissed it without explanation. And it's fine if you want to do that, but you shouldn't get pissed if I bring up my expertise. It's not ego, and it's not to "shut you down." It's to encourage you to listen and take it seriously. I was trying to help.

I don't think I'm better than anyone else here, but I do have an area of expertise, and this just happens to be it. I was a legislative aide for 4 years, got a law degree, and practiced for 12 years. That's a lot of experience reading and sometimes writing statutes. And it shouldn't offend anyone if I mention it when relevant, just as it wouldn't offend me if I ran my mouth about something related to engineering and mchammer said, "in my x number of years of experience as an engineer, I've found that not to be the case." In fact, I'd value what he said, and I wouldn't think he was arrogant or throwing his dick around just for bringing that up. That's how we learn from others outside our own fields.

But it's all good. You guys state whatever legal takes you want to, and I'll just nod along. I won't correct anybody anymore or comment. Don't want to be a snob or "throw my dick around."
 
But it's all good. You guys state whatever legal takes you want to, and I'll just nod along. I won't correct anybody anymore or comment. Don't want to be a snob or "throw my dick around."

Dude, I'm not trying to be the bad guy here but I tried to walk away from the argument but you rubbed **** in my face. You expected me not to get pissed about it? Maybe you don't mean to or it just comes off wrong on the internet.
 
Deez
"Snobbish would be saying, "I have the credential and you don't, and you just need to shut up and accept what I say."
Actually that is exactly what you said. Because of your expertise your points are valid and respected.
And then you reduced Garmel to a porn fake boob weirdo.
 
Dude, I'm not trying to be the bad guy here but I tried to walk away from the argument but you rubbed **** in my face. You expected me not to get pissed about it? Maybe you don't mean to or it just comes off wrong on the internet.

First, on a legal matter, you shouldn't walk away. It's not an argument. It's an analysis of a statute.

Second, I didn't rub **** in your face. I made a joke about something we both joke about all the time, and at least initially, you saw the humor in it.
 
Second, I didn't rub **** in your face. I made a joke about something we both joke about all the time, and at least initially, you saw the humor in it.

I said "We'll have to agree to disagree"

You said "That's fine, but you're in my wheelhouse on this issue"

Yes, I tried to walk away and you just had to get your last word in.

Let's just say there are lawyers that agree with me over your analysis on this subject, our argument on the 14th amendment, etc..
 
Deez
"Snobbish would be saying, "I have the credential and you don't, and you just need to shut up and accept what I say."
Actually that is exactly what you said. Because of your expertise your points are valid and respected.
And then you reduced Garmel to a porn fake boob weirdo.

No, I'm not saying that at all. Do I think my expertise warrants a degree of deference? Of course, but I'm more than happy to engage those who disagree or just want to apply scrutiny and ask questions. I've done it here for years. I've never shut anyone down.
 
I said "We'll have to agree to disagree"

You said "That's fine, but you're in my wheelhouse on this issue"

Yes, I tried to walk away and you just had to get your last word in.

Let's just say there are lawyers that agree with me over your analysis on this subject, our argument on the 14th amendment, etc..

Ok, that's fine. Like I said, I'm going to let this stuff go now and not get into it anymore. If you found some lawyer to agree with you, go ahead and agree with him.
 
Ok, that's fine. Like I said, I'm going to let this stuff go now and not get into it anymore. If you found some lawyer to agree with you, go ahead and agree with him.

Whatever

Thanks for confirming what I thought.
 
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I think that
many people had forgotten the circus and cloud of negativity that surrounds Trump wherever he goes.
They recall the good things he did, and I do believe he did some good things.
4 years of Joe will do that to you! I also had forgotten just how loathsome Trump could be.
But, then he goes on Brett Beir's show, and it all comes spilling out.
The excuses, the blame, the hubris, the bluster, and everything came flooding back to me, and many others, I believe.
Most of all I loath his "poor me" and his constant bragging.

Trump then proceeds to blast Beir for asking him, you know, questions, and not letting him steamroll and bow before him.

Trump has learned nothing, in fact he is worse than he was before.
I don't mind mean tweets, but I do mind his ego, the way he casually insults everyone who doesn't agree with him, and, the fact that he is determined to not learn from his past.
The polls may/probably will show me wrong, but I think the more he speaks, the more people will recall the turbid times of life under his presidency.
My hope is this helps people decide America can't live through another term of his Presidency.

To me, learning from your past mistakes is the sign of a true leader. What did I do wrong, have I worked to correct it, and how might I present this improved version of myself to the public.
He is incapable of self reflection, or growth.
If it is Trump v Biden, I will be writing in a candidate once again.
 
So don't tune in and watch/listen. Instead, enjoy the benefits of the policies and the prosperity it brought.

No one has to watch him or anyone else and read tweets, etc. You just don't have to do it.
 
"He is incapable of self reflection"
He certainly doesn't show signs he is aware.

But He Damn sure knew what to do to get our country booming .
And how to handle foreign leaders who for decades had refused to contribute their fair share.
 
But He Damn sure knew what to do to get our country booming .
And how to handle foreign leaders who for decades had refused to contribute their fair share.
True, 6721. But the problem is that his manner wasn't viewed as "Presidential." People turned out to vote against him - they weren't really for Biden. And I fear the same thing would occur in 2024 if DJT is the nominee.
 
That was my point HHD.
I think he will lose again due to the things I mentioned, especially since he is already acting out.
 
That was my point HHD.
I think he will lose again due to the things I mentioned, especially since he is already acting out.

I agree. And I'm not sure cheating at the ballot is needed this time. Seems he's more and more self destructive as time goes by. He was a very productive potus, but I think those days are behind him now and everybody can sense it

Still better choice than Biden. By far
 
I don't think Biden will make it to the election. God help us all Newsome is the choice.
The GOP has a deeper bench than the Dems, but it could be too deep and we have a repeat of the last election. Everyone splits in to small groups and we end up with Trump.
I think DeSantis, and maybe Nickie Hailey would be a good pair, but it's too soon to tell.
This is such an important election, I am already super worried.
 
Trump’s numbers are slowly declining. I think his decision to not participate in the debate will further erode his margin. However, I also think he loses more if he does participate because he will undoubtedly go unhinged when attacked.

I could support a DeSantis Haley ticket, but I think a DeSantis Scott ticket might be stronger in the general.
 
I don't think Biden will make it to the election. God help us all Newsome is the choice.
The GOP has a deeper bench than the Dems, but it could be too deep and we have a repeat of the last election. Everyone splits in to small groups and we end up with Trump.
I think DeSantis, and maybe Nickie Hailey would be a good pair, but it's too soon to tell.
This is such an important election, I am already super worried.

I think Trump will be slapped with "seditious conspiracy" in DC by Jack Smith. Yeah, it's BS but that will be the end of Trump.

Of course, the trial may not end before the 2024 election so who knows.
 
Trump’s numbers are slowly declining. I think his decision to not participate in the debate will further erode his margin. However, I also think he loses more if he does participate because he will undoubtedly go unhinged when attacked.

I could support a DeSantis Haley ticket, but I think a DeSantis Scott ticket might be stronger in the general.
I could vote DeSantis Youngkin too.
 
I think Trump will be slapped with "seditious conspiracy" in DC by Jack Smith. Yeah, it's BS but that will be the end of Trump.

Of course, the trial may not end before the 2024 election so who knows.

What I think is funny is that the classified documents case is set for trial on August 14, 2023. Does anyone think there's a snowballs chance of that actually happening? In theory, I'd love to see things move that quickly, but that's ridiculous.
 
I don't think Biden will make it to the election. God help us all Newsome is the choice.
The GOP has a deeper bench than the Dems, but it could be too deep and we have a repeat of the last election. Everyone splits in to small groups and we end up with Trump.
I think DeSantis, and maybe Nickie Hailey would be a good pair, but it's too soon to tell.
This is such an important election, I am already super worried.

I think Newsom is pretty beatable. He is very smug, has a terrible record that is easy to attack in swing states, and he broke his own Covid rules. If we can run a serious campaign that isn't on defense 24/7 (meaning not Trump), he should get manhandled.
 
What I think is funny is that the classified documents case is set for trial on August 14, 2023. Does anyone think there's a snowballs chance of that actually happening? In theory, I'd love to see things move that quickly, but that's ridiculous.

Cannon is making everybody involved in the case get security clearances. That alone will take months and will probably go beyond August 14th.
 
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Cannon is making everybody involved in the case get security clearances. That alone will take months and will probably go beyond August 14th.

It makes me wonder why she chose a date that early. Maybe she just wanted to light a fire under everybody's ***. Yes, it'll almost surely get continued, but if one side is farting around and wasting time, while the other side isn't, the one that is might get hosed.
 
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