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[Htown77]

That has not been officially proven in all four cases. If any of them.

The family of a Victorville man found hanging said he died by suicide - CNN

4th Black person found dead by hanging in U.S., authorities suspect suicide

In san antonio a few months ago, a black student at Reagan High School went into the weight room by himself and hung himself. Police have already said they do not suspect foul play these new cases. Suicide is unfortunately common and affects all communities. All races suffer from mental health issues. Suicide has also been up since the quarantine.

Given (1) the police do not suspect foul play in any of these cases, (2) covid has caused a spike in suicides, (3) hanging is one of the most common forms of suicide, (4) a black man has not been lynched in 40 years in this county through hanging (i do not think anyone of any race has been lynched in 40 years though hanging), it is logical to assume all of these were suicides. It seems illogical to assume they were not suicides unless new evidence arises to the contrary.

So you learn your history from western movies. I get it now.

Westerns, being a bookworm and my degrees from the University of Texas and University of Texas School of Law. Let me tell you, that Western about the Corwin Amendment was pretty good! My hope was you had seen a western before and at least understood that hangings were used against all people and why the mainstream does not associate it specifically with african americans. I can send the numbers showing in less civilized times that people of all races were lynched in america, but I doubt you are interested.

You can pull out all the stats you want but the hangman's noose has a special and negative meaning to the black community.

Stats aka facts > emotions. Yes, to some black people that knot only represents a hangman's noose. However, to a fisherman, that knot represents something else entirely. To a boy scout, it is something else. To some muslims, women not wearing burkas are offensive. To some baptists, alcohol is offense. To some vegans, eating meat is offensive. Everyone is offended by something. People need to have enough reason and emotional fortitude to not get offended by things that are not intended to offend.... like a commonly used knot when it is not being used to intimidate.

I agree with you that it is bad and wrong if someone intentionally uses a noose to intimidate someone and those being threatened should be upset. I am saying though that since this knot and even nooses/hanging are not "lynching african american specific", people need to look at the context before getting upset and ask "is this a threat, or is this just here to pull the garage door down?"

 

[nashhorn]

Thought just occurred to me, I tie things onto my old truck a lot. What If one of my friends (one of the black ones) was with me and saw a ‘looped’ knot which I’m partial to on one end of line, and said that knot offended him? Crazy? Yeah I think so.

 

[2003TexasGrad]

I am saying though that since this knot and even nooses/hanging are not "lynching african american specific", people need to look at the context before getting upset and ask "is this a threat, or is this just here to pull the garage door down?"

I imagine a Key and Peele comedy sketch about this. Anytime there's a loop tied to a string or wire or rope they immediately go into some crazy search for the "racist" who put it there.

 

[moondog_LFZ]

I agree with you that it is bad and wrong if someone intentionally uses a noose to intimidate someone and those being threatened should be upset. I am saying though that since this knot and even nooses/hanging are not "lynching african american specific", people need to look at the context before getting upset and ask "is this a threat, or is this just here to pull the garage door down?"

Now, this sums it up into something I can agree with.
I would only add that, in this particular instance, we also need to look at the context of the nationwide racial tension as to why somebody jumped the gun here.

 

[2003TexasGrad]

Now, this sums it up into something I can agree with.
I would only add that, in this particular instance, we also need to look at the context of the nationwide racial tension as to why somebody jumped the gun here.

Yes it was quite convenient in the context of the outrage going on, but that doesnt make it any less stupid.

 

[RainH2burntO]

Ok...great. Well...its all settled. Noose issue closed.
What's next??

 

[moondog_LFZ]

Thought just occurred to me, I tie things onto my old truck a lot. What If one of my friends (one of the black ones) was with me and saw a ‘looped’ knot which I’m partial to on one end of line, and said that knot offended him? Crazy? Yeah I think so.

If your "looped knot" is a hangmans noose, yea, they might get upset.
I have also tied a fishook with a knot resembling this knot.
But let's stop being silly here.
A hangmans noose is pretty specific and I can't remember seeing this knot in public anywhere.

 

[SabreHorn]

You guys have me really worried. I have a doctors appointment in The Texas Medical Center this afternoon. The surgeon wants me to wear tennis shoes. Do I need to go buy shoes with Velcro straps? Might I get arrested for having a noose on each foot?

 

[2003TexasGrad]

If your "looped knot" is a hangmans noose, yea, they might get upset.
I have also tied a fishook with a knot resembling this knot.
But let's stop being silly here.
A hangmans noose is pretty specific and I can't remember seeing this knot in public anywhere.

Just for the sake of argument you are aware that a hangman's noose has been used for probably thousands of years all around the world to hang criminals or to commit suicide by people of all colors ethnicities and nationalities. This idea that a hangman's noose is only synonymous with lynching of black people is completely ludicrous.

Even if somebody from Bubba Wallace's team walked into the garage and saw what they believed to be a tiny hangman's noose big enough to hang a mouse hanging from the garage door this should not have been turned into a national media circus. There should have been an investigation to determine if there was anything to this so that the embarrassment that has followed would be avoided.

The fact that this has been hanging in that garage since at least October should completely put to rest the story 100%. When a kid watches a movie about werewolves and then go to bed and hear a Coyote howling that does not mean that 911 needs to be called and a helicopter search of the neighborhood put into effect. Let's be real here.

 

[moondog_LFZ]

Just for the sake of argument you are aware that a hangman's noose has been used for probably thousands of years all around the world to hang criminals or to commit suicide by people of all colors ethnicities and nationalities. This idea that a hangman's noose is only synonymous with lynching of black people is completely ludicrous.

Even if somebody from Bubba Wallace's team walked into the garage and saw what they believed to be a tiny hangman's noose big enough to hang a mouse hanging from the garage door this should not have been turned into a national media circus. There should have been an investigation to determine if there was anything to this so that the embarrassment that has followed would be avoided.

The fact that this has been hanging in that garage since at least October should completely put to rest the story 100%. When a kid watches a movie about werewolves and then go to bed and hear a Coyote howling that does not mean that 911 needs to be called and a helicopter search of the neighborhood put into effect. Let's be real here.

When it comes to the black community your thoughts on a hangmans noose are meaningless.
Next time you're out and about, stop the first black man you see and ask him what a hangmans noose means or symbolizes to him.
It doesnt matter who else the noose has been used on.

 

[2003TexasGrad]

When it comes to the black community your thoughts on a hangmans noose are meaningless.
Next time you're out and about, stop the first black man you see and ask him what a hangmans noose means or symbolizes to him.
It doesnt matter who else the noose has been used on.

Thats thinking with tunnel vision. Its not my job or anyone else's to mind read or think somewhere someone might be offended by something that means a million things to a million other people.

If seeing a rope with a tiny loop tied similar in fashion to the way a hang man would tie a rope for hanging someone triggers you, that's on you.

 

[Omniscient.one]

What makes you oh @Omniscient.one such a fascinating poster and why I am going on with these questions is that you project something I did not say or think into every post! It is not blasphemous to write JC as far as I know, but it is interesting as to "why would someone who does not believe in Jesus Christ only be willing to write JC?" It would be like calling the prophet muhammad "PM". My thought was "is he afraid to write the full name out or something? It is curious. It is interesting." However, for some reason @Omniscient.one's brain, he translated a neutral phrase "interesting" to mean I was offended by it or thought it was blaspheme... thoughts that never entered my head until reading his post. Since you projected that, do you mean it to be insulting? Are you afraid of blaspheme? You are the one that thought blaspheme. I am curious as to why. I give you a break, sir!



I am not pushing any agenda. It is a free county. One can even believe a garage handle pull is a noose if they want to believe so. God bless America! Actually, its going somewhere because I get a new projected thought in every post. It gives me insight into the mind of the politically correct person who sees something negative or hostile in everything.



Thank you! Yes, Jesus Christ is for everyone, players and posters alike! I hope he blesses the players as well!



You are the one who started this diversion and continues to engage me on it. You can leave it at any time by not responding, however I welcome continued engagement!



I am not really in this discussion, but all people are sinners and do terrible things.

TL;DR

 

[Omniscient.one]

Topic is getting off track with the Bubba Wallace and Chessus Christ stuff. Must be that everything’s been covered. Anyone know the latest besides a meeting occurred? I’m so ready for this to end and football to return. YouTube game highlights are getting old.

 

[EDT]

You guys have me really worried. I have a doctors appointment in The Texas Medical Center this afternoon. The surgeon wants me to wear tennis shoes. Do I need to go buy shoes with Velcro straps? Might I get arrested for having a noose on each foot?

SaberHorn, I hope you have a good outcome from your Dr. visit.

 

[2003TexasGrad]

Topic is getting off track with the Bubba Wallace and Chessus Christ stuff. Must be that everything’s been covered. Anyone know the latest besides a meeting occurred? I’m so ready for this to end and football to return. YouTube game highlights are getting old.

I agree somewhat. I hate that our escape of UT sports has to be, wait for it.... TAINTED by politics...

Yes athletes are people with opinions but dang it I don't want to be rooting for Eagles to twist an ankle. I want him to win the Biletnikoff. I also don't give a crap what Robert De Niro thinks. Act good and I'll give you my money.

 

[dukesteer]

I don't want to be rooting for Eagles to twist an ankle. I want him to win the Biletnikoff.

I will concede that perhaps I am more of a flawed human than you because I’m not sure that I can share your admirable sentiments. Don’t get me wrong. I am not wishing anything bad for Eagles! Simply, I want him and his misguided influence gone. And if half the team goes with him, so be it.

Eagles is a well-intended but misguided puppet. I refuse to believe that we are a terribly racist country, and that we need to cleanse our past.

When (and I should say “if”) honest individuals (that’s a very short list) in a position of power start to objectively address the fundamental issues facing the black community, real progress will be made. Until that happens I just cannot get my arms around the sham that is being perpetrated on our country.

 

[RainH2burntO]

I will concede that perhaps I am more of a flawed human than you because I’m not sure that I can share your admirable sentiments. Don’t get me wrong. I am not wishing anything bad for Eagles! Simply, I want him and his misguided influence gone. And if half the team goes with him, so be it.

Eagles is a well-intended but misguided puppet. I refuse to believe that we are a terribly racist country, and that we need to cleanse our past.

When (and I should say “if”) honest individuals (that’s a very short list) in a position of power start to objectively address the fundamental issues facing the black community, real progress will be made. Until that happens I just cannot get my arms around the sham that is being perpetrated on our country.

The sad thing is there are many, many people both white and of color who are quite capable and willing to work to accomplish these things, but, alas, there are so many others with poor character, selfish ambitions, altruistic motives and the like that they make real dialogue and actual progress on virtually any issue facing this country next to impossible - This goes far beyond this subject only.
...But I hold out hope and am committed to do my part. I know with all I am evil will not prevail and good will triumph in the end.

 

[Htown77]

First off, on the tweet above... awareness of what?

Can someone explain to me how the phrase "Civil War" is offensive to anyone except southerners with confederate ancestry? I mean, given the South lost, it would be offensive to the South. In fact, the South prefers the less offensive name "The War of Northern Aggression".

However, I fail to see how the civil war would be offensive to anyone else. Apparently Dennis Dixon found the name offensive. He was offended that it is a reminder that slavery ended and the union stayed together? I am genuinely confused by this... unless the thought process is just "all history = bad"? Also, the obvious, America does not have a monopoly on civil wars and the phrase refers to most internal struggles.... although the American Civil War is a bit of a misnomer given that the South was fighting a war of independence. "Second War of American Independence", "War of Southern Independence" or "War Between the States" are all far more accurate names than "Civil War".

 

[2003TexasGrad]

First off, on the tweet above... awareness of what?

Can someone explain to me how the phrase "Civil War" is offensive to anyone except southerners with confederate ancestry? I mean, given the South lost, it would be offensive to the South. If fact, the South prefers the less offensive name "The War of Northern Aggression".

However, I fail to see how the civil war would be offensive to anyone else. Apparently Dennis Dixon found the name offensive. He was offended that it is a reminder that slavery ended and the union stayed together? I am genuinely confused by this... unless the thought process is just "all history = bad"? Also, the obvious, America does not have a monopoly on civil wars and the phrase refers to most internal struggles.... although the American Civil War is a bit of a misnomer given that the South was fighting a war of independence. "Second War of American Independence", "War of Southern Independence" or "War Between the States" are all far more accurate names than "Civil War".

Yes this is another dumb knee-jerk reaction. Let's be honest. The "Civil War" was anything but civil.

 

[SabreHorn]

77,

Settle down. Pretty soon these morons are going to eliminate everything that happened before Floyd got out of jail the last time. Imagine your children's public school history class - "Boys & girls, plus other genders, this semester we shall be studying last Thursday. Last Friday will be studied in a separate semester."

 

[2003TexasGrad]

What I hate about this is connotation that "civil war" must refer to slavery. I have never thought about slavery when they play this game. I always thought it was clever. Two schools from the same state literally having a "civil" war for dominance of the state.

But alas if a Black celebrity is offended then it must be undone.

 

[dukesteer]

The big question is, are the masses — the lemmings — oblivious to what is happening? It appears so.

> Statues being torn down.

> Police being attacked.

> Violence spiking in places like NYC.

It’s mind-boggling to think that “average people” are not disturbed by what is happening all around them.The extent to which they have been brainwashed by the MSM and the Libs + BLM is unfathomable. But it sure explains why very bad people throughout history have risen to power, and subsequently killed millions and destroyed countries.

That’s why I keep wondering, when is someone going to step up? Yes, at great risk. But step up.

 

[horninchicago]

The big question is, are the masses — the lemmings — oblivious to what is happening? It appears so.

> Statues being torn down.

> Police being attacked.

> Violence spiking in places like NYC.

It’s mind-boggling to think that “average people” are not disturbed by what is happening all around them.The extent to which they have been brainwashed by the MSM and the Libs + BLM is unfathomable. But it sure explains why very bad people throughout history have risen to power, and subsequently killed millions and destroyed countries.

That’s why I keep wondering, when is someone going to step up? Yes, at great risk. But step up.

It has become scary for people to step up. They will dox and find you and possibly get you fired, ruining your life.

I think people will step up in November at the polls. But, I agree, it's BS.

 

[mb227]

It has become scary for people to step up. They will dox and fond you and possibly get you fired, ruining your life.

I think people will step up in November at the polls. But, I agree, it's BS.

The doxing and "cancel culture" is a very real fear for many. I had one try to pull that with my Twitter feed in the early days of the gender wars. They were very disappointed to learn that 1) the Bar didn't care and 2) the firm I worked with was one that supported the right of employees to hold opinions that might be unpopular with fringe elements.

 

[nashhorn]

H77 this is very well thought out, I think. In fact I think he spent a great deal of time thinking about what idiotic ( not his words) contribution he could make to the current chaos and ‘bingo’ this popped into his simplistic brain wave pattern. I’m sure he’s quite proud of himself - nuff said.

 

[moondog_LFZ]

.The extent to which they have been brainwashed by the MSM and the Libs + BLM is unfathomable. But it sure explains why very bad people throughout history have risen to power, and subsequently killed millions and destroyed countries.

You must realize the "Libs" and others that didn't vote for our current President think these exact thoughts about the Fox (Fauz) News "Reps" and others that did.

 

[dukesteer]

You must realize the "Libs" and others that didn't vote for our current President think these exact thoughts about the Fox (Fauz) News "Reps" and others that did.

Moon, Fox is generally pro Trump, I agree. But it’s not monolithic like the MSM, and therein lies the issue. Here are a few examples:

Neil Cavuto @ 1:00 - Hates Trump and questions his actions all the time. Name an equivalent on the MSM. You can’t.

The Five @ 2:00 - Have you ever listened to Juan Williams? He might as well be working for MSNBC. Never has anything positive to say about Trump. There is no Juan Williams equivalent on CNN or MSDNC.

Bret Baier @ 3:00 - Pretty darn neutral...but not perfect. There is no equivalent on the MSM.

Tucker Carlson & 5:00 — The guy is crazy outspoken and very edgy but he is NOT in the tank for Trump. Not close. He is an equal opportunity critic. Heck, he ripped Nikki Haley a new one about three weeks ago, essentially calling her a sellout. He brutally attacked John Bolton live on his show about two or three years ago, just before Trump hired him.

A Harvard (not a bastion of conservative views) Kennedy School of Communications study a couple of years ago concluded that Fox’s coverage of Trump was “52% negative.” That same study claimed that for all of the media it was over 90% negative. It’s probably worse today.

The liberal side covers NOTHING that doesn’t support their narrative. Nada. Ever. We are told that the violent riots are basically peaceful expressions of the First Amendment. The tearing down of statues are a positive expression of free speech. They never cover the black on black crime epidemic or the devastation to black businesses and black communities that has been suffered recently.

You are encouraged to refute what I have written above but you are not allowed to default and just call me a racist.

Sadly, most on the Lib/Democrat side are simply unable to do an objective analysis.

 

[22Horn]

Demands??

So many demands being made to do this, do that, knock it down, changes the words, changes names of this / that....!!

When will someone finally step up and declare enough is enough? What will these people / protesters do when this declaration is made....they all say 'I will not do this or live here or play here until our demands are met......' Where will they go to further their needed knowledge professionally or as with sports, grow and improve athletically. Are they really ready for the repercussions....?

Changes need to be made for the overall good of USA but...........!! When is enough, enough and who will stand up what and who this country represents? Do they seriously want the USA to be destroyed?

It has been said for years that the USA will fall from within, so???

 

[HornHuskerDad]

I think people will step up in November at the polls.

Horninchicago, I certainly hope you're right. We cannot afford for the Democrats to run the country - we need another term for President Trump and a Senate majority. It's probably asking too much to take control of the House.

 

[utempire]

Moon, Fox is generally pro Trump, I agree. But it’s not monolithic like the MSM, and therein lies the issue. Here are a few examples:

Neil Cavuto @ 1:00 - Hates Trump and questions his actions all the time. Name an equivalent on the MSM. You can’t.

The Five @ 2:00 - Have you ever listened to Juan Williams? He might as well be working for MSNBC. Never has anything positive to say about Trump. There is no Juan Williams equivalent on CNN or MSDNC.

Bret Baier @ 3:00 - Pretty darn neutral...but not perfect. There is no equivalent on the MSM.

Tucker Carlson & 5:00 — The guy is crazy outspoken and very edgy but he is NOT in the tank for Trump. Not close. He is an equal opportunity critic. Heck, he ripped Nikki Haley a new one about three weeks ago, essentially calling her a sellout. He brutally attacked John Bolton live on his show about two or three years ago, just before Trump hired him.

A Harvard (not a bastion of conservative views) Kennedy School of Communications study a couple of years ago concluded that Fox’s coverage of Trump was “52% negative.” That same study claimed that for all of the media it was over 90% negative. It’s probably worse today.

The liberal side covers NOTHING that doesn’t support their narrative. Nada. Ever. We are told that the violent riots are basically peaceful expressions of the First Amendment. The tearing down of statues are a positive expression of free speech. They never cover the black on black crime epidemic or the devastation to black businesses and black communities that has been suffered recently.

You are encouraged to refute what I have written above but you are not allowed to default and just call me a racist.

Sadly, most on the Lib/Democrat side are simply unable to do an objective analysis.

Great post. Fox is obviously more fair than the liberal media. Those who disagree haven't been watching.