Duncan's Legacy

My list of dynasties:

1: 60's Celtics
2: 90's Bulls
3: 80's Lakers/Spurs now

The only reason I have the 60's Celtics ahead of the Bulls is because of the amount of championships. There is no other team in history that could have done nor ever will do what the Celtics of the 60's and Bulls of the 90's did as far as consecutive championships are concerned.

As far as the OP, well Doug is a blithering idiot. Duncan is a Top 10/15 talent EVER. His legacy is sealed no matter what happens from now on.
 
Dynasty requires succession. Spurs have no dynasty. This especially the case as, in the midst of this great run of years, their hated rivals won three in a row and lost another. This means that the Spurs were often not even the best team in their conference. At least the 80s Celts, who won three, also lost a couple to the Lakes. No dynasty. A very respectable run and done the old fashioned way with fundamental play, great coaching, and superb personnel decisions. Denying them the dynastic mantle is denying them only the very top most jewel. Too bad.

Duncan will have one less feather in a cap filled with plumage. There will be no tarnish involved.

TDunc might be top 10 now, but he would be number 10 as, in the list above, he rates only ahead of Cousy. If Kobe wins another title he will be top 10.
 
Kobe will have to win 2 more titles minimum to be Top 10. It would be better if he won consecutive.
 
I don't think Kobe's problem was lack of a big man, it was a lack of a #2.

MJ never won **** withoug a fellow hall of famer (pippen) on his roster. I don't think size is the key- I think it's no man other than Hakeem (and probably now duncan) has won a title without a fellow hall of famer. Duncan at least had all stars. Hakeem had nothing of the kind on his first title run.
 
I don't think they have to have hall of famer's around them, but more along the line of good role players. Look at the Jazz for example. Malone had stockton, stockton had malone, both hall of famers, but NO role players at all, and look what they won NOTHING.
 
I guess it is possible, so I will agree, but I do not see it very likely for kobe to win 4 more MVP's & 6 more Final MVPS. That is just the start of what it would take to get Kobe in that conversation.
 
I am a big Lakes fan, like Kobe (mas o menos), and have a hard time believing that he will ever show me what Jordan showed. Granted, I don't really respect the comp that MJ went up against in the finals, but the guy was so clutch it was just sick. Jordan was in Tiger Woods' realms. MJ was like a Secretariat. He was that kind of good. Kobe, who might end up in the top 4 or 5 of all time, has never shown me he is as good as Jordan on any given night. Never.
 
You have to see how Kobe's 30's play out- he doesn't turn 30 until june.

MJ did not accomplish as much as Kobe in his first 6 years or so in the league. Granted, Kobe had shaq and MJ hadn't gotten his sidekick yet.

I think saying MJ made Pippen is a bit unfair. Without MJ they won 55 games or so 2 years in a row and almost won the eastern conference title losing to the knicks in a brutal 7 game series. It's not like they became nothing when MJ served his 2 year gambling suspension
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If Kobe wins 3 or 4 titles in his 30's as the lead dog with good supporting players and smooths out the unselfishness the way we saw MJ do I think he's got a good argument at least in being in the same conversation as MJ. I think there's no way he ever reaches the status as definately surpassing Jordan, but he could make it a legit conversation topic imo.
 
I'm not disagreeing and I think it's most probable that you are right. I would say 9 or so years now from league entry MJ probably has pulled ahead of where Kobe is at (that makes him lead dog on a cuople title teams by age 30- right?)

It's not like MJ had the torrid opening start of Magic or Bird or someone like that who won titles really freaking early as the best players on their very talented teams. The odds are against Kobe doing it, but it isn't impossible or really hard to imagine is the only point I was making.
 
To me in order to be a dynasty of any kind, you have to defend successfully defend your title at least once..if not your just set of great one year wonders!

Duncan is a top 10 player..better than Shaq!
 
For anyone to say that Duncan's career is tarnished for not winning back-to-back is completely assinine and ludicrous. There are a hundred gagillion players who should be so lucky. Plus, he hasn't whined nearly as much this year, and I think you can trace it back to the Joey Crawford toss off the bench last year. He's been more solemn.

Hook'em!!!
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Kobe is finishing his 12th year in the league. Jordan played 15 total, including the 1/4 of the 1995 season and the two he played with the Wizards.

Kobe has zero chance of matching MJ on anything, muchless, within the same amount of time. Furthermore, if you cannot shoot 50% on the year for a single season of your career you have no chance at #1. MJ averaged 50% until he came back with Washington. Kobe has never shot better than 46% any season he has played.
 
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