That's racist!
Dumb Political Correctness
- Thread starter Mr. Deez
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That's racist!
Sadly, too many of the people suffering from TDS don't understand facts...
Joe Fan
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Kid Rock = Harsh but True.
Political Correctness is running totally amok - Illinois passes law making LGBT+ history lessons in schools compulsory in move to stop bullying.
San Diego’s city attorney is taking away hundreds of guns from those who shouldn’t have them .
Under California’s red flag law, enacted in 2014, a law enforcement official or immediate family member can ask a judge to issue a Gun Violence Restraining Order if a gun owner is feared to be a danger to himself or others. If the order is issued — and it almost always is — the gun owner’s weapons will be seized by law enforcement for up to a year. After a year, the restraining order can be renewed.
In Sacramento, legislation is pending that would expand California’s statute.
One bill would extend the length of the firearms restraining order from one year to five. The measure, AB 12 by Assemblywoman Jacqui Irwin (D-Thousand Oaks), has passed the Assembly and is in the Senate. Democrats support it. Republicans are opposed .
Another bill, AB 61, would allow an employer, co-worker or school employee to request a restraining order.
San Diego's city attorney is taking away hundreds of guns from those who shouldn't have them
Absolutely there are people who need weapons taken away
BUT did I miss the part about due process here?
Under California’s red flag law, enacted in 2014, a law enforcement official or immediate family member can ask a judge to issue a Gun Violence Restraining Order if a gun owner is feared to be a danger to himself or others. If the order is issued — and it almost always is — the gun owner’s weapons will be seized by law enforcement for up to a year. After a year, the restraining order can be renewed.
In Sacramento, legislation is pending that would expand California’s statute.
One bill would extend the length of the firearms restraining order from one year to five. The measure, AB 12 by Assemblywoman Jacqui Irwin (D-Thousand Oaks), has passed the Assembly and is in the Senate. Democrats support it. Republicans are opposed .
Another bill, AB 61, would allow an employer, co-worker or school employee to request a restraining order.
San Diego's city attorney is taking away hundreds of guns from those who shouldn't have them
Absolutely there are people who need weapons taken away
BUT did I miss the part about due process here?
It depends on the specifics. We allow temporary restraining orders (TRO) to be obtained in emergency situations in ex parte proceedings - meaning without the defendant's appearance in court and even without his notice. The key word is "temporary." If you want the TRO to stick long term or permanently, you need an injunction, will requires full due process rights. The defendant has to be served and given the opportunity to appear and defend himself in court. If these GVROs are lasting for 1 or 5 years and are being obtained in ex parte proceedings, I could see a federal court striking them down.
Scenario:
You feel threatened and warn the person you will blow them away if they come to your home. The person who is threatening you goes to court to have your guns removed because you "threatened" them. Then you have to get an attorney and go through the process not to have your guns removed which would make you vulnerable to the original threat which assumes it's not an ex parte hearing as mentioned by Mr. Deez above.
Far-fetched?
You feel threatened and warn the person you will blow them away if they come to your home. The person who is threatening you goes to court to have your guns removed because you "threatened" them. Then you have to get an attorney and go through the process not to have your guns removed which would make you vulnerable to the original threat which assumes it's not an ex parte hearing as mentioned by Mr. Deez above.
Far-fetched?
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Any chance California will secede from the USA? How can we help them do it?
Reelecting Trump would be a good start to pushing them over the edge.
Seattle Husker
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FY18 HUD budget is $52B. 31% of their budget goes to Baltimore? Or is Lynn Patton, the former Trump family event planner, pulling from all forms of Federal expenditures/programs to make the number as big as possible? Someone handed Patton that number and it likely came from the White House.
Seattle Husker
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Why would I watch an event planner comment on politics and government expenditures?
Are you saying JoeFan misquoted Patton?
No he did not misquote her.
You are trying to twist what he posted and what she said. Pay attention instead of being disingenous.
Absolutely there are people who need weapons taken away
BUT did I miss the part about due process here?
Oh now you are being silly...it is Commiefornia. They don't believe in due process except and unless you are an illegal alien. THEN and ONLY then will they bend over backwards to accommodate your every need...
I'd be happy to contribute to the frackers sending their equipment over and making sure those fault lines were well lubricated...then Commiefornia can just fall off of the map.
mb
Point,
If you are illegal in Ca they protect you in" sanctuary" and provide legal help
But Americans entrapped in this policy are denied their 4th Amendment rights for at least a year.
Yes there are people who should not have guns. Give them due process like any suspected criminal or law breaker.
Point,
If you are illegal in Ca they protect you in" sanctuary" and provide legal help
But Americans entrapped in this policy are denied their 4th Amendment rights for at least a year.
Yes there are people who should not have guns. Give them due process like any suspected criminal or law breaker.
If they did they'd build a fence to keep their entire tax paying population from fleeing to the US.
Statalyzer
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Mona
Good question.
How long should someone suffer a penalty imposed on them without due process? Maybe it should be the same as a person arrested?
I know this is not a TRO and is imo more serious than telling someone to stay away from another, plus in a TRO isn't the person being restrained notified and allowed an attorney?
Requiring a reasonable time for due process would get the weapon out of a potentially dangerous person which is what we want but would allow the person accused and the people accusing the person their voice before a judge.
What Calif is doing is imo pretty extreme.
Good question.
How long should someone suffer a penalty imposed on them without due process? Maybe it should be the same as a person arrested?
I know this is not a TRO and is imo more serious than telling someone to stay away from another, plus in a TRO isn't the person being restrained notified and allowed an attorney?
Requiring a reasonable time for due process would get the weapon out of a potentially dangerous person which is what we want but would allow the person accused and the people accusing the person their voice before a judge.
What Calif is doing is imo pretty extreme.
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