Man, can't get an image posted. Damn witch doctor must have put a spell on me.
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Joe Fan
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It's actually the subject of a lawsuit in DC. And, of course, one of the claims the hospital trade group is making is that revealing the rates they privately negotiate with insurers would 'violate their First Amendment' rights.' heh.
https://www.aha.org/system/files/me...ndividually-negotiated-rates-12-4-19.pdf .pdf
HIC - did you get results back from your test?
Yes, but on its face, it doesn't support the point you're trying to prove.
The gov of Michigan is free to run for president, otherwise she can STFU!
Not yet. Probably tomorrow. Thanks!
Just another "gaffe".
Hey, I'll give the guy credit. He's a politician. We expect him to be a partisan hack, and he ended up being less so than the journalist. It's just disturbing that the politician has his limits, but the guy who's paid not to be a partisan hack and whose credibility depends on not being so has no such limits.
You know I was joking....right?
I don't understand the argument presented in the link. It was trying to argue that each patient is different based on insurance coverage and what will be needed for treatment. While I understand that point of view, what is the case for the individual who wants to pay cash for treatment with no insurance involved?
My personal opinion is that if medical facilities were forced to post prices on procedures then the market would force competition. Which would eventually lower prices and then ultimately bring insurance costs down, making it affordable for most people like car insurance.
While I am spouting my opinion, why do most people feel that taking little Johnny to the doctor's office for a routine sick call should be covered with insurance?
I would think that a 15 to 20 minute appointment would cost $100 to $200 to see a doctor. I don't know for sure but if insurance was used for big medical cost only, i.e. minor surgeries, physical therapy, etc., then cost could be reasonable for all. I would be in favor of the government covering catastrophic/preexisting conditions that require deep pockets.
Look at car insurance, it doesn't cover getting an oil change or really anything other than accidents, theft, or minor damage. Why does medical have to cover everything?
Their argument is that the negotiated prices that they charge health insurers is confidential and proprietary. They don't want people, governments, or other entities using that information as a leveraging tool to negotiate price reductions from the hospital. In the context of personal injury litigation, I've sued hospitals that file liens against my client's recovery for excessive charges. They guard that information strongly and immediately play ball to avoid disclosing it.
I'm not sure that they would. The root of the problem is that the patient isn't paying the big out-of-pocket costs and therefore doesn't care especially when in some kind of health crisis.
People expect it because medical insurance is expensive, and they want to get something for those premiums. And realistically, it isn't the 20 minute, $200 family doctor visit that makes health insurance expensive. It's the hospitalizations and specialists that cost tens and sometimes hundreds of thousands.
I see evidence of that in Germany. If I see my family doctor, it's a little cheaper than in the US, but it's not a blowout. However, the minute a hospital or specialist is involved, the costs are wildly different.
The big difference is that most of the cars we insure will never get wrecked and require some huge claims payment. However, we will all eventually get some nasty illness or condition that we are willing to fight with medical care, because we don't want to die. Insuring against the inevitable gets expensive.
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Clean
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A single nursing home facility here in San Antonio has 59 positive corona virus cases! Poor old folks stuck in nursing homes are sitting ducks for this thing. If one medical worker contracts it and goes to work while still not symptomatic, he can spread it to everyone in the home. Gonna wipe out a lot of Trump voters.
OUBubba
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Michigan governor says shipments of medical supplies 'canceled' or 'delayed' and sent to federal government - CNNPolitics
We'll see how it plays out once the dust settles. Something tells me that we'll see the Stephen Miller's of the world pulling strings and linking federal response to the electoral college and payback for not kissing the ring.
We'll see how it plays out once the dust settles. Something tells me that we'll see the Stephen Miller's of the world pulling strings and linking federal response to the electoral college and payback for not kissing the ring.
OUBubba
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That was like 5 days after the kerfluffle. Florida got 100% of their request plus another shipment.
Joe Fan
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Lol. I already posted this.
She's enough for two you greedy bastard
He's desperately trying to force the narrative that politics is driving who gets what whether the evidence supports that or not. Furthermore, even if you presume that Trump is a total jackass, withholding supplies for Michigan makes no sense at all. It would pretty much end his chances of winning that state.
The numbers keep going up. It does not appear that our efforts to ruin the economy and put millions out of work are "flattening the curve". Is it time to reassess if all this is worse than the disease itself? Or do we just say well it would be worse if we didn't do all this and trust that is true?
Some much needed, IMO, historical context:
Joe Fan
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So, anyway, I want to get back to this woman
Maybe it's the headline writer's fault? But this could be read multiple ways
-- One is that it the main aim is gay bath houses - is this how y'all read this?
-- Another way to read it is that, in Belgium at least, some indoor sexual activities of 3 or more is essential. Is this porn making? Or is it just a sneaky exception for govt ministers?
-- And anything outdoors still goes?
-- Yet another way to read it is that if you are under age 3, the world is your oyster
-- How many people does the health minister count as?
-- Another way to read it is that, in Belgium at least, some indoor sexual activities of 3 or more is essential. Is this porn making? Or is it just a sneaky exception for govt ministers?
-- And anything outdoors still goes?
-- Yet another way to read it is that if you are under age 3, the world is your oyster
-- How many people does the health minister count as?
Musburger1
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Ozone therapy?
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