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Monahorns said:
Too bad that isn't a Random Clinical Trial. The data is good to look at and should be considered, but the random clinical trial that was performed showed that natural immunity was up to 20 times stronger than the vaccine.

Random Clinical Trials are what experts use to determine things. So show me an RCT that favors the vaccine and then we will talk. Then we need about 10 more RCTs to make sure the results are repeatable either way.
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You can poop on it. However, this is real world statistics retrospectively analyzing it. You can make assumptions from big number data like this. To downplay it is disingenuous.

My opinion is that natural immunity is preferred. Natural immunity along with mRNA immunity brings along the best of both worlds.
 
OUBubba said:
You can poop on it. However, this is real world statistics retrospectively analyzing it. You can make assumptions from big number data like this. To downplay it is disingenuous.

My opinion is that natural immunity is preferred. Natural immunity along with mRNA immunity brings along the best of both worlds.
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Your opinion? Aren't you the same guy that said ivermectin is only for animals? There was no wire tapping of the Trump campaign? Trump colluded with Russians? etc. etc. Your opinion is not relevant. When you repeatedly spout BS, you lose credibility and respect. Bubba gonna Democrat.
 
AC said:
snopes is a partisan, left wing fact checker hack! Pure garbage! Mr Renz has an extensive website. Lots of proof. VAERS does NOT report a vaccine injury until after 14 days from the second shot. If anything happens inside of 14 days, it’s reported as unvaccinated. A lot of manipulation of numbers going on.
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I'm reminded of the old Sesame Street "One of These Things Is Not Like the Others" song. There would be panels with a dog, a cat, a horse, and a wrench. Renz is the wrench.

Newly minted lawyer challenges COVID restrictions in 'impenetrable thicket' of arguments

I'm not sure what else (beyond his Geocities-style nonsensical website) someone would need proof of in order to come to the conclusion that he's trying to profit off of vaccine misinformation. Comparing Snopes to Renz is like comparing Wikipedia to a guy who tells you stuff from inside a dumpster.

You can add up every adverse reaction that VAERS has recorded for any brand of the Covid vaccine, and the total amount (even the nonserious reactions like rash) comes out to 0.013% of all administered vaccines. For your info to make sense, you would need a coverup of 77x as many "unreported" incidents just to get to the bottom of your reaction range. Does it give you any pause whatsoever that no one takes that kind of lie seriously?

This is a step away from "jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams."
 
Horns11 said:
I'm reminded of the old Sesame Street "One of These Things Is Not Like the Others" song. There would be panels with a dog, a cat, a horse, and a wrench. Renz is the wrench.

Newly minted lawyer challenges COVID restrictions in 'impenetrable thicket' of arguments

I'm not sure what else (beyond his Geocities-style nonsensical website) someone would need proof of in order to come to the conclusion that he's trying to profit off of vaccine misinformation. Comparing Snopes to Renz is like comparing Wikipedia to a guy who tells you stuff from inside a dumpster.

You can add up every adverse reaction that VAERS has recorded for any brand of the Covid vaccine, and the total amount (even the nonserious reactions like rash) comes out to 0.013% of all administered vaccines. For your info to make sense, you would need a coverup of 77x as many "unreported" incidents just to get to the bottom of your reaction range. Does it give you any pause whatsoever that no one takes that kind of lie seriously?

This is a step away from "jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams."
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Less than a step. They swim in the same pool.

There are adverse reactions. They are few and far between. In our system of about 20k vaccinations I am unaware of any reportable reactions. But, hey let's listen to nutjobs.
 
Such a ducking lie. The kids are already safe and healthy. And, if you had measles, you are not required to get the vaccine.

 
Wait, I thought after-school meetings and football games were going to be the death of us. CISD stats:

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OUBubba said:
You can poop on it. However, this is real world statistics retrospectively analyzing it. You can make assumptions from big number data like this. To downplay it is disingenuous.

My opinion is that natural immunity is preferred. Natural immunity along with mRNA immunity brings along the best of both worlds.
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Not my purpose. I said the data should be considered. The problem is that without an RCT there are many factors that haven't been isolated for and therefore the conclusions drawn from the data have to be careful. It also contradicts the study out of Israel that I mentioned, which I believe was a thorough RCT study.

My last point was that to really trust a conclusion several to many RCTs would need to show the same to similar results one way or the other. But our medical industry isn't so interested in that it seems.
 
Monahorns said:
Not my purpose. I said the data should be considered. The problem is that without an RCT there are many factors that haven't been isolated for and therefore the conclusions drawn from the data have to be careful. It also contradicts the study out of Israel that I mentioned, which I believe was a thorough RCT study.

My last point was that to really trust a conclusion several to many RCTs would need to show the same to similar results one way or the other. But our medical industry isn't so interested in that it seems.
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That's fair. I think we got a ramped up version of delta in the US. The good news is that it's burning itself out.
 
Horns11 said:
I'm reminded of the old Sesame Street "One of These Things Is Not Like the Others" song. There would be panels with a dog, a cat, a horse, and a wrench. Renz is the wrench.

Newly minted lawyer challenges COVID restrictions in 'impenetrable thicket' of arguments

I'm not sure what else (beyond his Geocities-style nonsensical website) someone would need proof of in order to come to the conclusion that he's trying to profit off of vaccine misinformation. Comparing Snopes to Renz is like comparing Wikipedia to a guy who tells you stuff from inside a dumpster.

You can add up every adverse reaction that VAERS has recorded for any brand of the Covid vaccine, and the total amount (even the nonserious reactions like rash) comes out to 0.013% of all administered vaccines. For your info to make sense, you would need a coverup of 77x as many "unreported" incidents just to get to the bottom of your reaction range. Does it give you any pause whatsoever that no one takes that kind of lie seriously?

This is a step away from "jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams."
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Your quoting MSM lies. Being dramatic about it doesn’t change the facts which are:
VAERS does not report vaccine adverse effects or deaths until after the 14th day past the second shot. 80% of these adverse events happen before the 14th day. That is fact. Renz is one of 100’s of thousands speaking out on this. Most are Dr’s or nurses. He has many people supporting him. I don’t want anyone hurt by this. I’m just supporting people, fighting back from this evil.
Watch the project Veritas video for proof.
 
nashhorn said:
How does ramped up and the arguably rapid burn out compute? All due to increased vaccinated?
This push for kids to get vaccinated is abominable.
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Disclaimer: I am neither an epidemiologist, a physician, nor an attorney.

My take is that the virus got stronger as it got to the US from India. That's what I mean by "ramped up". These viruses mutate as they jump from host to host. Typically they get more communicable but less dangerous.

Viruses burn out as they move through populations. They infect who they're going to infect. Covid has done this on numerous occasions. There are some drops that don't make sense. This is somewhat anecdotal observations people have written about but it's played out like that. It's just the nature of the virus.

I look for the next jump when we get into the winter and all start hanging out inside more.
 
AC said:
Your quoting MSM lies. Being dramatic about it doesn’t change the facts which are:
VAERS does not report vaccine adverse effects or deaths until after the 14th day past the second shot. 80% of these adverse events happen before the 14th day. That is fact. Renz is one of 100’s of thousands speaking out on this. Most are Dr’s or nurses. He has many people supporting him. I don’t want anyone hurt by this. I’m just supporting people, fighting back from this evil.
Watch the project Veritas video for proof.
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Personally, I'm not a physician. Momma drank when she was pregnant. I seem to remember that horns11 is one. I'll listen to him over "projectveritas".
 
So Bubba do I understand you’re of the opinion that being ‘inside’ is the super spreader? I ask because I am one of those a bit astounded there have not been cries of super spreaders with all the attendees showing up in the stadiums. I have been fearful of new restrictions being implemented every week when we have a home game. It is starting to make me wonder if either the autocrats are afraid to bring this up, or there is some serious questions about the whole d*** thing. I mean there is considerable social contact going on here - maskless no less and yet statistics seem to be, as you put it, burning out.
 
nashhorn said:
So Bubba do I understand you’re of the opinion that being ‘inside’ is the super spreader? I ask because I am one of those a bit astounded there have not been cries of super spreaders with all the attendees showing up in the stadiums. I have been fearful of new restrictions being implemented every week when we have a home game. It is starting to make me wonder if either the autocrats are afraid to bring this up, or there is some serious questions about the whole d*** thing. I mean there is considerable social contact going on here - maskless no less and yet statistics seem to be, as you put it, burning out.
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I think outdoors is way better. I think that has proven to be accurate. My daughter is a senior basketball player so I will spend considerable time in a gym this winter.
 
Again, it’s nursing staffing shortage, not beds.

Kootenai Health hits record-high COVID-19 hospitalizations as Spokane hospitals are still 'uncomfortably' full


Hospitals are still evaluating staffing levels on a daily basis and waiting for assistance from the state for more contracted employees.

About a month ago, the Department of Health requested some 1,200 contracted workers to help staff hospitals in the state through the General Services Administration. The department requested both medical and nonmedical personnel after receiving requests from more than 50 hospitals and long-term care facilities statewide.
 
Australians seriously, need to form militias to protect people from the police. They may not have guns but they can find clubs and cricket bats. And they could find guns if they are willing to look, and fire only rubber bullets. Only rubber. They need to take their country back though.
 
I saw a video of a Dr who had a healthy former diabetic patient, who through diet and excersize overcame diabetes. His blood work was really good. Then he got the shot and his Killer T cells went off the charts. The Dr explained he ran blood tests they would run for Aides patients. His patient was blood tested after each vaccine shot. His immune system went from healthy athlete to Aides patient in terms of his immune system read outs. I tried to upload the video and could not.
 
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