Coronavirus

theiioftx said:
I know you know much more about revenue cycle for hospitals than me, so I ask your perspective. Are the hospitals also getting reimbursed more for patients with Covid regardless of severity of symptoms? IE a car wreck patient who also tests positive for Covid.
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Maybe a little. It would be an additional diagnosis like HTN or something. I think any gravy would be taken up by additional ppe and staff.
 
mchammer said:
suck it nannies, part deaux:


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Two things seem apparent to me. First, the more onerous the restrictions on an individual level, the more people will violate them. Tell us to wear a mask in the grocery store and not to stand too close to each other, and most of us will do it (even those who doubt its effectiveness) because it isn't that big of a deal. Tell us to spend the holidays alone and never to see our friends, and most of us will blow it off. Even the people saying to do it often blow it off even though it kills their credibility.

Second, I suspect that Covid spreads more easily in homes than in public places. The quarters are tighter, and there's no one to enforce or encourage social distancing, washing hands, etc.

In other words, people in California are almost surely getting together. However, instead of meeting in restaurants and public places where they can be encouraged by staff to spread out, hand sanitize, wear masks, etc., they're meeting in homes where that stuff is largely ignored. Let's be honest. Other than Switzer, at home most of us wash our hands after going to the bathroom, before we cook food, before we eat, and when they are clearly dirty. (In his defense, the water in Oklahoma would probably make his hands dirtier rather than cleaner, even if he just got finished picking his nose and wiping his *** if they do that in Oklahoma.) We're not sanitizing them every few minutes like we do in public places. We don't stay six feet apart. We sure as hell don't wear masks.

The bottom line is that we're probably at the point where locking down is starting to become counterproductive. On the individual level, compliance is probably getting low and creating more situations in which the virus is likely to spread than if we kept things open with reasonable restrictions.
 
Mr. Deez said:
Two things seem apparent to me. First, the more onerous the restrictions on an individual level, the more people will violate them. Tell us to wear a mask in the grocery store and not to stand too close to each other, and most of us will do it (even those who doubt its effectiveness) because it isn't that big of a deal. Tell us to spend the holidays alone and never to see our friends, and most of us will blow it off. Even the people saying to do it often blow it off even though it kills their credibility.

Second, I suspect that Covid spreads more easily in homes than in public places. The quarters are tighter, and there's no one to enforce or encourage social distancing, washing hands, etc.

In other words, people in California are almost surely getting together. However, instead of meeting in restaurants and public places where they can be encouraged by staff to spread out, hand sanitize, wear masks, etc., they're meeting in homes where that stuff is largely ignored. Let's be honest. Other than Switzer, at home most of us wash our hands after going to the bathroom, before we cook food, before we eat, and when they are clearly dirty. (In his defense, the water in Oklahoma would probably make his hands dirtier rather than cleaner, even if he just got finished picking his nose and wiping his *** if they do that in Oklahoma.) We're not sanitizing them every few minutes like we do in public places. We don't stay six feet apart. We sure as hell don't wear masks.

The bottom line is that we're probably at the point where locking down is starting to become counterproductive. On the individual level, compliance is probably getting low and creating more situations in which the virus is likely to spread than if we kept things open with reasonable restrictions.
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Very well laid out. I think if they would have come out early with a clear and unequivocal statement of advice, we would be in much better shape.

1) This is a deadly situation if you are a health compromised individual. If you are overweight, older than 60, or have an underlying condition such as heart disease, diabetes or COPD, you should stay isolated.
2) Wash your hands every chance you get. Try to stay away from others when possible.
3) As a precaution to others, wear a mask when near people you might compromise. A cloth mask might help, but it is no guarantee. Only a N-95 rated mask provides real protection. Avoid direct contact with compromised people when possible for their safety. Wear it properly over your nose and mouth. Change it every time you wear it. If cloth, wash it after every use or it is useless and even might increase chance of spreading illness.
4) If you can work remotely, do it until we figure this out, reach herd immunity or develop a vaccine.
5) Don’t watch the MSM. They are not experts and certainly will not tell you the truth about the disease. Listen to “Dirty Laundry” by Don Henley every morning when you wake up.
6) Live your lives otherwise. This is not the first pandemic and it won’t be the last. Send your kids to school. They are very unlikely to have problems if they get sick. Not doing so compromises their future both educationally and health wise.
7) If we as government require any industry to close causing you to lose your paycheck, we will not receive ours. We are truly in this together.
 
I see that the EEOC has approved allowing companies to mandate that their employees get vaccinated against Covid. They've offered guidelines as to how the company can go about it and not violate the ADA. One way to get around the ADA is have their employees get vaccinated by a third party that can ask health history questions of the employee that the employer can't. The third party would and then provide the employee with proof of vaccination. Roll up your sleeves.
 
Horn6721 said:
Did I read that a University [Harvard?) was going to mandate the vax except blacks could opt out duento racism?
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I thought racism was the reason we were going to make sure they got it first. It's hard to keep up all the politically correct exceptions to the "listen to the science" mantra.
 
Dang, that sounds like segregation at its worst. Don’t vaccinate them, cause they have the greater susceptibility. Huh?
 
mchammer said:
Dumb liberals think a president can stop the virus from killing people. The strategy is to flatten the curve, not eliminate it. 60% will be infected regardless of government action a year from now. 25% of NYC is likely infected by now. Government can only slow it down, not eliminate it.
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Current estimates are 30% of nation is infected. Likely approaching 40-50% in urban centers.
 
mchammer said:
Here is an article from Andrew Sullivan, a never trumper, who is smart enough to realize that you can’t stop a virus, only slow it down:

And this is the truth about reality. It really does exist (whatever the postmodernists might argue). It’s complicated. And even if it can be ignored or forgotten in our very human discourses, it wins in the end. This virus is, in a way, a symbol of that reality. It can be stymied for a while; it can be suppressed and avoided. It can be controlled so it doesn’t overwhelm us in one fell swoop, metastasizing the damage. But it is unbeatable and is winning this war, as it was always going to, and only a vaccine can make a real difference. The coming months will be an unsatisfying series of starts and stops as we struggle to live with it. We are not, in other words, fighting and winning this war — we are merely negotiating the terms of our surrender to reality. And there is nothing more humbling for humans than that. And nothing more clarifying either.
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