LongestHorn
2,500+ Posts
One third of worlds confirmed cases are in the US. And one in five Americans tested came back positive for COVID19.
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Monahorns
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Wrong. See how that works. I used the New York state website who is the original site reporting.
I used the word "assumed" because that is the word the CDC used in their guidelines to hospital about how to code deaths. I posted the document earlier that showed it. My bias is toward what the CDC said in their document. There was nothing specific. It was very ambiguous.
I am okay with declaring deaths are due to corona if the symptoms are very much like it, without a test. But that is not the guideline the CDC used. THEY use the word "assumed." No bias here.
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I am not talking about worldometer. I am talking about the article that you linked from a different website. It mixed up state, metro area, and city data. I have looked at multiple sites and they all jumble it up. Your article talked about NYC but then mentioned other counties that are not NYC. The numbers I quoted were from NYC alone. The 0.78% IFR is from one estimation based on NYC. Once you get outside of NYC proper it is below that. Cuomo himself is reporting an IFR of 0.5%. For New York state the IFR is below that. Again, I have looked at the numbers.
Maybe, NY has tested more people but they have also had the virus longing and many more infections that other areas, so I couldn't say that with any confidence. Too many factors. You bring up one, but there are at least 2 more.
That isn't the point. We are getting data from all over the country and the world. A study compared strains from China, Europe, and the US. The US strain was described as less virulent. There is more and earlier testing in China and Europe, so I think we can trust it.
What’s the death rate when counting antibody tested Americans? It’s about like or less than the flu. Yet there will be more suicides, cancer and heart related deaths due to the hysteria.
The new America should be masks, gloves, helmets, no tobacco, no alcohol and no cars. It’s the only way we can save everyone.
The new America should be masks, gloves, helmets, no tobacco, no alcohol and no cars. It’s the only way we can save everyone.
Monahorns
10,000+ Posts
Yeah, that is part of the issue. The new seralogy tests are coming from largely people who are asymptomatic, so they are a bit skewed the other way.
It still looks like IFR is 0.05-0.5%. It also looks like different places have a different rate based on various factors. The first hit areas like NYC should have a higher death rate because no one was taking any precautions. That matters because level of symptoms is correlated to viral load of exposure. Now some studies are showing cases in the US in January. Maybe that isn't NYC, but they got it not long after, and no one was doing anything until March. It was spreading like wildfire in February in NYC. Chinese New Year parties, dance clubs, subways, etc. I would guess viral load was high. As high as the people in the Chinese New Year parties, dance clubs, and subways.
He didn't suggest anything. He asked if it was possible. Probably not because of poisoning or the body diluting it but it really didn't hurt anything to ask that question. Mr. Rupar is awfully arrogant for a guy who is usually wrong on his assessments.
As you watch people in the grocery store wearing gloves and a bandanna, ask yourself a question.
When they go home, do they properly sanitize the cloth mask and do they know how to properly remove gloves?
Then evaluate your mask. Is it N95 certified?
Gloves are a greater risk, cloth masks don’t protect you and if you are an at risk person, you shouldn’t be outside anyway.
When they go home, do they properly sanitize the cloth mask and do they know how to properly remove gloves?
Then evaluate your mask. Is it N95 certified?
Gloves are a greater risk, cloth masks don’t protect you and if you are an at risk person, you shouldn’t be outside anyway.
Yay?
AC
2,500+ Posts
In that clip about UV light disinfecting the virus in a minute and Trump implying that was going to be tested maybe even by injection or getting it inside the body. In no way was Trump implying we inject a disinfectant into someone’s lungs. That’s laughable! Aaron Rupar has no idea what he’s talking about. A complete mis-quote or mis-implication. UV light kills Corona virus! Proven and tested. So a Dr finding a way to get that into the lungs would be a good thing.
And this is a real concern. I was listening to Ben Shapiro (Yeah, I know you're not a fan, but I enjoy him.) while I was exercising last night. He cited to evidence suggesting that this virus mutates pretty fast. If that's the case, then neither herd immunity nor a vaccine are going to be a silver bullets that wipe the virus out. It'll be more like the flu. People will be able to to get a shot every year, but it'll only somewhat reduce the risk of getting the disease.
Austin_Bill
2,500+ Posts
Good, the more we get it the better off this country will be in the long run. My biggest concern is if the Virus mutates are we going to go through this again?
That is the scary thing about this, but for now I'm unwilling to trust anything from media or even doctors. All I keep seeing is speculation and propaganda.
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LongestHorn
2,500+ Posts
You can trust Republicans like HHS Azar to fix the testing problem. They are on it.
“You have to blame the problem on the virus, but it’s Azar’s operation,” said Lynn Goldman, the dean of the public health school at George Washington University, who has served on advisory boards of the FDA and CDC. “And the buck stops there.”
HHS declined to make Azar available for an interview. Michael Caputo, the new chief HHS spokesman, declined to answer Reuters questions about Azar’s stewardship, saying in a statement: “We are communicating to the American public during a deadly pandemic.”
DALLAS LABRADOODLES
Azar is a Republican lawyer who once clerked for the late conservative Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia and counts current Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh as a friend. Under George W. Bush, Azar worked for HHS as general counsel and deputy secretary. During the Obama years, he cycled through the private sector as a pharmaceutical company lobbyist and executive for Eli Lilly. After Trump’s first HHS secretary was forced out in a travel corruption scandal, Azar stepped in, in January 2018.
Two years later, at the dawn of the coronavirus crisis, Azar appointed his most trusted aide and chief of staff, Harrison, as HHS’s main coordinator for the government’s response to the virus.
Harrison, 37, was an unusual choice, with no formal education in public health, management, or medicine and with only limited experience in the fields. In 2006, he joined HHS in a one-year stint as a “Confidential Assistant” to Azar, who was then deputy secretary. He also had posts working for Vice President Dick Cheney, the Department of Defense and a Washington public relations company.
Before joining the Trump Administration in January 2018, Harrison’s official HHS biography says, he “ran a small business in Texas.” The biography does not disclose the name or nature of that business, but his personal financial disclosure forms show that from 2012 until 2018 he ran a company called Dallas Labradoodles.
Special Report: Former Labradoodle breeder was tapped to lead U.S. pandemic task force
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“You have to blame the problem on the virus, but it’s Azar’s operation,” said Lynn Goldman, the dean of the public health school at George Washington University, who has served on advisory boards of the FDA and CDC. “And the buck stops there.”
HHS declined to make Azar available for an interview. Michael Caputo, the new chief HHS spokesman, declined to answer Reuters questions about Azar’s stewardship, saying in a statement: “We are communicating to the American public during a deadly pandemic.”
DALLAS LABRADOODLES
Azar is a Republican lawyer who once clerked for the late conservative Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia and counts current Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh as a friend. Under George W. Bush, Azar worked for HHS as general counsel and deputy secretary. During the Obama years, he cycled through the private sector as a pharmaceutical company lobbyist and executive for Eli Lilly. After Trump’s first HHS secretary was forced out in a travel corruption scandal, Azar stepped in, in January 2018.
Two years later, at the dawn of the coronavirus crisis, Azar appointed his most trusted aide and chief of staff, Harrison, as HHS’s main coordinator for the government’s response to the virus.
Harrison, 37, was an unusual choice, with no formal education in public health, management, or medicine and with only limited experience in the fields. In 2006, he joined HHS in a one-year stint as a “Confidential Assistant” to Azar, who was then deputy secretary. He also had posts working for Vice President Dick Cheney, the Department of Defense and a Washington public relations company.
Before joining the Trump Administration in January 2018, Harrison’s official HHS biography says, he “ran a small business in Texas.” The biography does not disclose the name or nature of that business, but his personal financial disclosure forms show that from 2012 until 2018 he ran a company called Dallas Labradoodles.
Special Report: Former Labradoodle breeder was tapped to lead U.S. pandemic task force
Leadership
That is a fair criticism. Did you raise the same concern about Ron Klain?
I'm not willing to assume what I hear from clearly politically-motivated people regardless of their occupation or role. I don't assume it's wrong, but I don't give it the benefit of the doubt. Most doctors who aren't politically motivated are honest enough to admit that they actually know very little about this with much certainty. And that's not a knock on them. It's a new virus. Pretty hard for any of them to be experts on it.
Original report was wrong. Was actually inconclusive due to not having enough test subjects so maybe it will turn out to be at least somewhat effective.
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Clean
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In your world, I think very few are going to spend much time in jail. You take Blackstone's "better to let 10 guilty go free than convict 1 innocent" creed literally. I think these folks probably had a fair trial and were convicted by a jury of their peers. I think that letting 10 guilty go free will harm more innocents than the reverse.
NJlonghorn
2,500+ Posts
I said “wrong” then backed it up with links to data. That’s how it works.
You said “wrong” then referred to data without linking to it. That’s not how it works. Unfortunately, I had time to find the source you referred to, and it confirms my statement, not yours.
The number you quoted is indeed from the NYS website. Here’s a link to it. I didn’t see anything there indicating whether that site includes probable cases, which is the point you cited it for.
It is true that NYC has reported probable cases (link), but those aren’t included in the NYS numbers. You can tell by looking at the county-by-county data within the NYS website. Add up the daily deaths in the five NYC counties (New York, Queens, Kings, Bronx, and Richmond) as reported on the NYS website, and it matches the “confirmed” numbers on the daily NYC press release.
On a broader note, I’ve been following the Worldometers.info website for about a week now. They report population data taken directly from official government websites. The provide links to the source data, as well as annotations explaining the limitations of the data — but with little to no editorialization. Mediabiasfaccheck.com rates them as neutral.
You may or may not like Bill O'Reilly, but you should read this article and draw your on conclusions. For me, I've been suspicious of the Chinese from the get-go... starting with silencing the scientists and covering up the initial outbreak.
Written by Bill O'Reilly
*****
HERE IT IS FOLKS. GET PREPARED ! Just leave this out here for you to make your own decision.
China’s Bio weapon, and Pelosi
My wife Angie will tell you that I study history and world events fluently every day.
I have studied China for many years To get answers I need two questions,
I call many I know in Washington on Capitol Hill (from my tenure on two Presidential campaigns and Presidential talks)
and I ask them for straight up answers to better understand what affects us as a nation.
Well, in 2016 America elected a new Sheriff: Donald J Trump. For decades the Chinese walked all over America but the new President said “not anymore”.
Trump literally strangled China’s economy to the point their economy was in its worst free fall ever.
Trump negotiated a new 50 billion trade agreement. He had Xi by the proverbial balls.
America’s economy was on fire and unstoppable.
President Xi Jingping knew he could not beat the USA militarily and he knew any domesticated economic attack would fail as our economy was too strong.
He had to act. But how?
Enter the USA democrats led by Pelosi and Schiff. Impeachment. A hoax. A distraction for our people and President.
Xi Jingping and his thugs see this. They aren’t stupid.
They have very intelligent intellectual thinkers in their government.
Now you must understand , the Chinese regime are truly Barbarians.
Notice I did not say ALL CHINESE. The Chinese people are a good people. I enjoy my interactions with them.
The communist regime has millions of its own citizens slaving in gulags simply for speaking against the government or openly practicing Christianity.
Knowing they could not attack us openly they needed to be coy, like a deceptive fox.
In my opinion, I believe the regime released a biological weapon upon the world that doesn’t kill everyone, but kills “enough,” especially the elderly and in-firmed.
Back in WW 2 Hitler thought the same way. He got rid of what he considered the useless and rejects of society
Trumps task force uses models to figure things. Xi used and uses “models” too.
He figured that if he killed a few of his own (a few hundred thousand to them would be a few out of 1.4 billion people) and spread the virus to other nations (especially to the USA) they would “level the economic playing field” and not have fired a shot.
Losses of his own people were acceptable costs of a new war.
When China’s own doctors attempted to sound the warning, they were immediately silenced. In fact one died and another has simply disappeared.
Trumpand the other allied leaders indeed KNOW this is what happened.
They have under reported their own deaths.
Trump knows he cannot outrightly seek retribution.
His news conference today showed me this when he balked publicly about no outright retribution over Xi’s handling of this and he immediately brought up the “trade deal”. However, Trump wasn’t being weak, he too was now being coy.
We know this was a biological weapon. The food market story is bullcrap... Xi knows we know it.
Trump also today announced he sent two battle groups of destroyers and other ships to sea several days ago to fight drugs and rogue actors like Iran should they try anything.
I say he did this to show Xi he knows what has transpired (we have the greatest intelligence assets) and that they (the Chinese) should rethink further action.
Politics is premier. We cannot overtly attack China for what they have done as we would also suffer greatly. We all know this.
But China has temporarily achieved its goal.
America was literally consumed by Trumps phony impeachment brought by the ultra left democrats (supported by democrat rank and file and one Republican Mitt Romney) and Xi Jingping saw an opening.
He took it. Xi did what Trump usually does...he walked onto the world stage and threw a grenade into the “room” and left.
It exploded in the form of this worldwide pandemic. It brought the USA and the rest of the world to its knees and leveled the economic playing field.
Our economy is now near depression. Xi didn’t fire one bullet.
Trump needed to up his game of chess and putting our Naval ships to sea was his next move. He said he is a “war” President. He is.
But now on not one but two fronts. One front is the virus and the other front is the Chinese.
While the Saudi’s and Russians are screwing with oil prices they aren’t overtly doing what this pandemic is doing.
The drug smuggling story for dispatching the Naval Force is bullcrap and the world knows it.
I am of the opinion Trump can indeed bring us back from this catastrophe albeit with a changed playing field.
But Trump is a genius in chess and financial matters. He’s become a champ at international politics too.
I am sure Trump can once again lead the economy to even stronger strength and greatness that it was .
He can do it quickly I’m sure of it. He has proved it.
Xi Jingping needs to be sent a message loud and clear. NEVER AGAIN.
We need to bring all of our critical manufacturing back from China beginning with our medicines they were recently threatening to withhold.
We can do it immediately.
Again, another reason for Trump putting to sea such a sizable Naval Force. Sending a clear message.
We all must ride out the next few weeks. Then we and the world pick up the pieces and move on.
The democratswho have given Xi this opening wrapped in a bow must pay a heavy price in November as they (the democrats) truly have cost and continue to cost America precious lives by the phony scandals.
Nancy Pelosi continues to help the Chinese by her daily shameless attacks upon the President and meddling in stimulus packages as she did this last weekend. Yesterday’s statements she made were truly appalling and the lowest of low. I didn’t think she could go any lower. What a disgrace she is to our nation.
But, Pelosi aside, make no mistake, China must and will be taught a lesson the likes they have never seen before and Trump is the man to pull the trigger.
We the people must teach the democrats the same lesson at the polls.
They (the radical wing of the party) are the enemy of a free America.
I am certain of it. The entire democrat party of our forefathers is dead.
Remember people, Trump indeed tried to warn us all of the Conavirus in his State of the Union Speech.
He spoke of it. He said he was on top of it.
After he spoke , Nancy Pelosi ripped up the speech calling Trumps words “a manifesto of lies”.
She disgraced the country and all of our fellow honored citizens present in the House Chamber.
Well she now has American blood on her hands.
She is very majorly responsible for these needless deaths as well as the Chinese. Her and Adam Schiff.
The left and democrats laughed as she tore up his speech.
Well, as they laughed the disease he just spoke of in that speech came to our shores. Republicans and Democrats alike are now dying.
Your family members and mine. Our grandparents and middle aged citizens alike. Bodies are being loaded in trucks with forklifts in Brooklyn outside of hospitals.
No one is safe. Our liberty is for the most part suspended.
As we bury our dead (without proper funerals) from this calamity let’s drive the nails into the coffin of the Democrat party as well in November.
It’s time people. Stand up for your rights and your country!
Our Liberty and survival is at stake! I am praying for God’s blessing on our nation.
But, God also gave us the ability to think for ourselves and it’s time we placed blame for all this death where it belongs: on the doorsteps of Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff and Xi Jingping directly.
Wake Up America! - Live Trading News
Wake Up America. WAKE UP!
This is a conspiracy theory that is increasingly being voiced…by several different sources
--
Ken Klawitter
Written by Bill O'Reilly
*****
HERE IT IS FOLKS. GET PREPARED ! Just leave this out here for you to make your own decision.
China’s Bio weapon, and Pelosi
My wife Angie will tell you that I study history and world events fluently every day.
I have studied China for many years To get answers I need two questions,
I call many I know in Washington on Capitol Hill (from my tenure on two Presidential campaigns and Presidential talks)
and I ask them for straight up answers to better understand what affects us as a nation.
Well, in 2016 America elected a new Sheriff: Donald J Trump. For decades the Chinese walked all over America but the new President said “not anymore”.
Trump literally strangled China’s economy to the point their economy was in its worst free fall ever.
Trump negotiated a new 50 billion trade agreement. He had Xi by the proverbial balls.
America’s economy was on fire and unstoppable.
President Xi Jingping knew he could not beat the USA militarily and he knew any domesticated economic attack would fail as our economy was too strong.
He had to act. But how?
Enter the USA democrats led by Pelosi and Schiff. Impeachment. A hoax. A distraction for our people and President.
Xi Jingping and his thugs see this. They aren’t stupid.
They have very intelligent intellectual thinkers in their government.
Now you must understand , the Chinese regime are truly Barbarians.
Notice I did not say ALL CHINESE. The Chinese people are a good people. I enjoy my interactions with them.
The communist regime has millions of its own citizens slaving in gulags simply for speaking against the government or openly practicing Christianity.
Knowing they could not attack us openly they needed to be coy, like a deceptive fox.
In my opinion, I believe the regime released a biological weapon upon the world that doesn’t kill everyone, but kills “enough,” especially the elderly and in-firmed.
Back in WW 2 Hitler thought the same way. He got rid of what he considered the useless and rejects of society
Trumps task force uses models to figure things. Xi used and uses “models” too.
He figured that if he killed a few of his own (a few hundred thousand to them would be a few out of 1.4 billion people) and spread the virus to other nations (especially to the USA) they would “level the economic playing field” and not have fired a shot.
Losses of his own people were acceptable costs of a new war.
When China’s own doctors attempted to sound the warning, they were immediately silenced. In fact one died and another has simply disappeared.
Trumpand the other allied leaders indeed KNOW this is what happened.
They have under reported their own deaths.
Trump knows he cannot outrightly seek retribution.
His news conference today showed me this when he balked publicly about no outright retribution over Xi’s handling of this and he immediately brought up the “trade deal”. However, Trump wasn’t being weak, he too was now being coy.
We know this was a biological weapon. The food market story is bullcrap... Xi knows we know it.
Trump also today announced he sent two battle groups of destroyers and other ships to sea several days ago to fight drugs and rogue actors like Iran should they try anything.
I say he did this to show Xi he knows what has transpired (we have the greatest intelligence assets) and that they (the Chinese) should rethink further action.
Politics is premier. We cannot overtly attack China for what they have done as we would also suffer greatly. We all know this.
But China has temporarily achieved its goal.
America was literally consumed by Trumps phony impeachment brought by the ultra left democrats (supported by democrat rank and file and one Republican Mitt Romney) and Xi Jingping saw an opening.
He took it. Xi did what Trump usually does...he walked onto the world stage and threw a grenade into the “room” and left.
It exploded in the form of this worldwide pandemic. It brought the USA and the rest of the world to its knees and leveled the economic playing field.
Our economy is now near depression. Xi didn’t fire one bullet.
Trump needed to up his game of chess and putting our Naval ships to sea was his next move. He said he is a “war” President. He is.
But now on not one but two fronts. One front is the virus and the other front is the Chinese.
While the Saudi’s and Russians are screwing with oil prices they aren’t overtly doing what this pandemic is doing.
The drug smuggling story for dispatching the Naval Force is bullcrap and the world knows it.
I am of the opinion Trump can indeed bring us back from this catastrophe albeit with a changed playing field.
But Trump is a genius in chess and financial matters. He’s become a champ at international politics too.
I am sure Trump can once again lead the economy to even stronger strength and greatness that it was .
He can do it quickly I’m sure of it. He has proved it.
Xi Jingping needs to be sent a message loud and clear. NEVER AGAIN.
We need to bring all of our critical manufacturing back from China beginning with our medicines they were recently threatening to withhold.
We can do it immediately.
Again, another reason for Trump putting to sea such a sizable Naval Force. Sending a clear message.
We all must ride out the next few weeks. Then we and the world pick up the pieces and move on.
The democratswho have given Xi this opening wrapped in a bow must pay a heavy price in November as they (the democrats) truly have cost and continue to cost America precious lives by the phony scandals.
Nancy Pelosi continues to help the Chinese by her daily shameless attacks upon the President and meddling in stimulus packages as she did this last weekend. Yesterday’s statements she made were truly appalling and the lowest of low. I didn’t think she could go any lower. What a disgrace she is to our nation.
But, Pelosi aside, make no mistake, China must and will be taught a lesson the likes they have never seen before and Trump is the man to pull the trigger.
We the people must teach the democrats the same lesson at the polls.
They (the radical wing of the party) are the enemy of a free America.
I am certain of it. The entire democrat party of our forefathers is dead.
Remember people, Trump indeed tried to warn us all of the Conavirus in his State of the Union Speech.
He spoke of it. He said he was on top of it.
After he spoke , Nancy Pelosi ripped up the speech calling Trumps words “a manifesto of lies”.
She disgraced the country and all of our fellow honored citizens present in the House Chamber.
Well she now has American blood on her hands.
She is very majorly responsible for these needless deaths as well as the Chinese. Her and Adam Schiff.
The left and democrats laughed as she tore up his speech.
Well, as they laughed the disease he just spoke of in that speech came to our shores. Republicans and Democrats alike are now dying.
Your family members and mine. Our grandparents and middle aged citizens alike. Bodies are being loaded in trucks with forklifts in Brooklyn outside of hospitals.
No one is safe. Our liberty is for the most part suspended.
As we bury our dead (without proper funerals) from this calamity let’s drive the nails into the coffin of the Democrat party as well in November.
It’s time people. Stand up for your rights and your country!
Our Liberty and survival is at stake! I am praying for God’s blessing on our nation.
But, God also gave us the ability to think for ourselves and it’s time we placed blame for all this death where it belongs: on the doorsteps of Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff and Xi Jingping directly.
Wake Up America! - Live Trading News
Wake Up America. WAKE UP!
This is a conspiracy theory that is increasingly being voiced…by several different sources
--
Ken Klawitter
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I agree that we need to economically disentangle from China. That should be very obvious. However, I don't buy the narrative that impeachment or tearing up the State of the Union address are to blame for Coronavirus. That's silly.
I'm also going to have to see evidence that China intentionally infected people with the virus to bring on an economic collapse. It's a convenient narrative, but I'm not going to assume it without pretty solid evidence. Frankly, if you're going to create a biological weapon, this wasn't a very good one. It's tough, but there are much worse things they could have done.
I'm also going to have to see evidence that China intentionally infected people with the virus to bring on an economic collapse. It's a convenient narrative, but I'm not going to assume it without pretty solid evidence. Frankly, if you're going to create a biological weapon, this wasn't a very good one. It's tough, but there are much worse things they could have done.
Actually as an effort to destroy an economy it’s a pretty good one. The thing that gives me a ‘hmmm’ on the conspiracy aspect was the Chinese state visit all while they knew the virus was rampant in their country. That has always given me thoughtful pause.
And the Bill O citing, as I read I felt that was not all written by him then saw the name at bottom, Ken something. Was it an overall paraphrasing of a Bill O’Reilly column?
And the Bill O citing, as I read I felt that was not all written by him then saw the name at bottom, Ken something. Was it an overall paraphrasing of a Bill O’Reilly column?
The premise that this helps China is laughable.
It is if you think Coronavirus was the vehicle they would use to accomplish that goal.
NJlonghorn
2,500+ Posts
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. These people were all convicted. The ones who were highlighted in the article have all served 20+ years, and are now being released. I'm not sure how that translates to "very few are going to spend much time in jail".
I wondered about that too. I copied everything that was in the article - perhaps he was a columnist or reporter quoting the article?
PecosBill
1,000+ Posts
Yesterday Cuomo said that the NY CV19 death numbers were from hospital and nursing home cases and that at home deaths were excluded.
The at home deaths will increase the CV19 death counts once they are included. EMS responds to cardiac arrest call caused by respiratory distress event is certainly CV19.
Where is that data?
AC
2,500+ Posts
I think Pelosi tearing up the State of the Union speech in the House Chamber is a representation of how the left will politicize anything including Corona Virus. The Politicization of Corona Virus, HCQ, the travel ban, and especially the quarantine is what prolongs the pain and suffering to everyday Americans. I am fine with disagreeing but when our country is attacked it would be nice if we could come together unilaterally and solve the many problems Corona Virus has caused. Trump did that. But not the left. As for China. Nothing surprises me about them, but I don't know if we'll ever get to the very bottom of what they did and why.
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