Comey and Mueller

Garmel said:
Exactly. Perhaps I'm wrong but the libs don't seem to give a damn with the deck being stacked against Trump. Whatever it takes to get him out of office they are perfectly fine with. To hell with the rule of law.
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There is a certain craziness to it. It's not rational. It is all emotion-driven.
 
Joe Fan said:
These hiring decisions he made have tainted his entire investigation
Huge mistake.
These were some very bad choices. It is all on him.
It is one thing to hire a registered Dem (indeed its illegal to consider political party affiliation in federal hiring) but it is something else entirely to hire the guy who defended the person who set up Hillary's illegal server and who she ordered to "wipe" her cell phones and hard drives with a hammer. This kind of stuff screams potential 'conflict of interest' to any atty. I dont know what Mueller was thinking. Unless it was no one would figure it out. Which, if so, is amazingly dumb.
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So, once you defend anyone from the other side you're tainted? i thought a skilled attorney could willfully defend anyone, even a pedophilic senator elect, because everyone deserves a vigorous defense. Mueller gets little credit for those of you scared of what he'll find.
 
OUBubba said:
So, once you defend anyone from the other side you're tainted? i thought a skilled attorney could willfully defend anyone, even a pedophilic senator elect, because everyone deserves a vigorous defense. Mueller gets little credit for those of you scared of what he'll find.
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I wish you'd be more honest and just tell us that you'd like to see Trump hauled away in chains and you don't give a damn what it takes to do it.
 
OUBubba said:
So, once you defend anyone from the other side you're tainted? i thought a skilled attorney could willfully defend anyone, even a pedophilic senator elect, because everyone deserves a vigorous defense. ....
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DOJ attys are held to a higher standard
 
OUBubba said:
Other than a yet released story about hired "help" urinating on a bed, what has been wrong on the "dodgy dossier"?
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I haven't read the dossier and neither have you. But, it was obviously a hack job financed by HRC and the DNC. It sited "unnamed sources" as claiming Trump colluded with Russian operatives to steal the election. It purpose was to slander Trump and put HRC in the White House. It didn't do that but it planted the seeds which grew into the Mueller witch hunt. Those claims have now been investigated for 8 months and 8 million dollars and not a shred of evidence has been found. That's what's wrong with it.
 
Joe Fan said:
It has also come to light that Andrew Weissmann, one of Mueller top deputies, attended the HRC election night party in NYC. I have written before in here about DOJ's Conflict of Interest provisions. It does not appear the majority of the attys on Team Mueller meet those requirements.

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In addition, Weissmann has previously been the subject of a convincing misconduct complaint
http://licensedtolie.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/2012_NY_Complaint_Against_Weissmann_0731.pdf
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Dilly dilly


 
Clean said:
I haven't read the dossier and neither have you. But, it was obviously a hack job financed by HRC and the DNC. It sited "unnamed sources" as claiming Trump colluded with Russian operatives to steal the election. It purpose was to slander Trump and put HRC in the White House. It didn't do that but it planted the seeds which grew into the Mueller witch hunt. Those claims have now been investigated for 8 months and 8 million dollars and not a shred of evidence has been found. That's what's wrong with it.
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I’ve read parts of it. I downloaded it. It was paid for, presumably, by the Bush campaign and the. They transferred the costs to the DNC. They also turned it over to “the authorities”.
 
I recall hearing the Jeb! campaign started it as oppo research too, prior to handing it off to Clinton.

Does that make a difference to the idea of it being a grossly false political hit job?
 
I'll ask for about the 18th time, what about it has been disproven? I've read analysts from both angles about its validity.
 
Some followup thought on the McCarthy quote. His closing line makes sense with regard to what happened with Flynn and Papadopoulos

The Manafort plea was a bit of a PR disaster for Mueller and team since it had nothing to do the 'Russia-collusion' narrative. While it seems like they had Flynn on a FARA charge they did not go that route since it was regarding Turkey and, like Manafort, had nothing to do with the 'Russia-collusion' narrative. So they accepted a plea from Flynn on a lesser charge just so they could at least say it was somewhat related to what they are supposed to be investigating - Russian involvement in the 2016 election. Papadopoulos was, just like Flynn, a process crime having nothing to do with the underlying merits.

Right now, it looks like all the Obama people on Team Mueller are desperately trying to find anything Russia-related. Even to the point of overlooking more juicy charges (like FARA).

Why are they doing this?

Because the Obama people never expected Trump to win. And now they are scrambling to find something to legitimize their political abuse of power of 2016. Russia-related charges/pleas even on process (Papado, Flynn) help the narrative that something was up with Russia, thus, from their perspective at least, the politicization of DOJ/FBI is “legitimized.” Charging Flynn on Turkey would not have helped this narrative at all. It would have just been Manafort II.
 
I always said the Mueller investigation is more about covering for Obama and Clinton than getting anything on Trump.
 
Joe Fan said:
Some followup thought on the McCarthy quote. His closing line makes sense with regard to what happened with Flynn and Papadopoulos

The Manafort plea was a bit of a PR disaster for Mueller and team since it had nothing to do the 'Russia-collusion' narrative. While it seems like they had Flynn on a FARA charge they did not go that route since it was regarding Turkey and, like Manafort, had nothing to do with the 'Russia-collusion' narrative. So they accepted a plea from Flynn on a lesser charge just so they could at least say it was somewhat related to what they are supposed to be investigating - Russian involvement in the 2016 election. Papadopoulos was, just like Flynn, a process crime having nothing to do with the underlying merits.

Right now, it looks like all the Obama people on Team Mueller are desperately trying to find anything Russia-related. Even to the point of overlooking more juicy charges (like FARA).

Why are they doing this?

Because the Obama people never expected Trump to win. And now they are scrambling to find something to legitimize their political abuse of power of 2016. Russia-related charges/pleas even on process (Papado, Flynn) help the narrative that something was up with Russia, thus, from their perspective at least, the politicization of DOJ/FBI is “legitimized.” Charging Flynn on Turkey would not have helped this narrative at all. It would have just been Manafort II.
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I believe that you're more experienced in the areas of the law than I am. Would a plea deal on a relatively minor charge like this (while there's theoretically much bigger stuff out there) be utilized by a prosecutor working a RICO or similar case to apply leverage on both the initial perp/witness and as an example to the rest of the crew for when they come sniffing around?

I'm listening to a weekly podcast about the Watergate story. It's interesting since I was only 5 when it actually happened.

I don't think there was some grand collusive conspiracy. I think that it was a perfect storm of a desperate candidate with ZERO scruples combined with a pissed off Russia willing to do about anything just to destabilize a country that they thought was going to be under HRC for the next 4 years. Also, they were facing one of the most unpopular candidates in modern history. Like, almost as unfavorable as Roy Moore. :)
 
OUBubba said:
I believe that you're more experienced in the areas of the law than I am. Would a plea deal on a relatively minor charge like this (while there's theoretically much bigger stuff out there) be utilized by a prosecutor working a RICO or similar case to apply leverage on both the initial perp/witness and as an example to the rest of the crew for when they come sniffing around?.....
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Yes, but we discussed this above already. The manner and order for Mueller here is a horrible tactical trial position to put yourself in. If you plan on making Flynn your star witness in a jury trial to get a bigger fish, why would you go into that by accepting a plea deal where he admitted he just lied under oath? It is a gift to the defense and submarines your own key witness. Makes no sense.
 
There's speculation that the Dirty Dossier and its' claims that Trump was colluding with the Russians to steal the election was the basis for getting the warrants to spy on Trump's election team, which goes along with McCarthy's statement that the Obama administration put the law enforcement and intelligence arms of the administration in the service of the Clinton campaign.

Obama really, really, really didn't want Trump in the WH. I had to laugh when Trump announced we're going back to the moon and on to Mars yesterday, thus undoing Obama's 2009 moratorium on space exploration. He's undoing Obama's "legacy" as fast as he can. Now, if we can just keep Michelle O and Michelle O clones, like Kamala Harris out of the WH.
 
Clean said:
There's speculation that the Dirty Dossier and its' claims that Trump was colluding with the Russians to steal the election was the basis for getting the warrants to spy on Trump's election team, which goes along with McCarthy's statement that the Obama administration put the law enforcement and intelligence arms of the administration in the service of the Clinton campaign......
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Nunes seems focused on this, like a laser beam
Which is why they were so desperate to get him off the committee
 
It looks like DOJ lied about why they 're-assigned' Bruce Ohr and took away his 4th floor office

Originally they said two jobs were too much

Now it has come out that his wife, a purported Russia expert, was employed by GPS Fusion during the period at issue. DOJ is now refusing to comment on the record about this. It seems unlikely that Ohr's immediate superiors at DOJ (Sally Yates/Loretta Lynch) were unaware the Ohr's wife connection to GPSF. But we will see what they say.

This breaking news came just as Andrew McCabe (former acting director of the FBI, now Deputy Director) was about to testify to Congress. McCabe suddenly refused to appear. Sounds like this news may have saved McCabe from perjuring himself about Ohr.

But now the House is going to use subpoenas, force him to appear and seize all his communications.


Joe Fan said:
Another partisan under the Justice umbrella has been "re-assigned"
Bruce Ohr held two titles at DOJ:
-- Associate Deputy AG -- which had him just 4 doors down from Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein (who gave us Mueller)
-- Director of the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Forces (OCDETF)

Ohr will retain the latter title but has been stripped of his higher post and ousted from his office on the fourth floor of “Main Justice"

The House Committee run by Devin Nunes uncovered that Ohr met with Christopher Steele (the 'dossier' guy). Ohr was also caught meeting, shortly after the election, with the founder of Fusion GPS Glenn Simpson.

There are going to be more of these type of people being outed as we move forward. These people were attempting to subvert democracy via a soft coup. Hopefully, some will face charges.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...d-probe-contacts-with-trump-dossier-firm.html
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This stuff is going to break wide open one of these days soon -- if they dont kill Nunes first

This Ohr woman, supposed academic Russian 'expert' and employee of GPS Fusion, is also a CIA asset. She is part of the Deep State


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Among its many activities, GPS Fusion paid reporters to plant stories
Here is one of them -- GPSF planted the now discredited story about a “special email server existing between Trump Tower and Moscow’s Alfa bank” with Slate.
Then candidate Hillary Clinton tweeted out the story about as soon as it appeared. The whole thing was coordinated.

I feel pretty certain that this is how CNN gets caught so often making fake news
They are not a news organization any more but have evolved into a propaganda apparatus that publishes whatever they are told to publish. Facts and truth do not matter to them

 
Joe Fan said:
Among its many activities, GPS Fusion paid reporters to plant stories
Here is one of them -- GPSF planted the now discredited story about a “special email server existing between Trump Tower and Moscow’s Alfa bank” with Slate.
Then candidate Hillary Clinton tweeted out the story about as soon as it appeared. The whole thing was coordinated.

I feel pretty certain that this is how CNN gets caught so often making fake news
They are not a news organization any more but have evolved into a propaganda apparatus that publishes whatever they are told to publish. Facts and truth do not matter to them

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Which site did you get this information from? It wouldn't be a right-wing propaganda site, would it?

[Edit: Nevermind...found it on 4Chan, as usual, without any attribution.]
 
Joe Fan said:
This stuff is going to break wide open one of these days soon -- if they dont kill Nunes first

This Ohr woman, supposed academic Russian 'expert' and employee of GPS Fusion, is also a CIA asset. She is part of the Deep State


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Why are there so many fugly women in the dem party?

Seattle Husker said:
Which site did you get this information from? It wouldn't be a right-wing propaganda site, would it?

[Edit: Nevermind...found it on 4Chan, as usual, without any attribution.]
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Why does it matter where it came from if the facts they are giving are true? Tell me what part isn't true?
 
I35 said:
Why does it matter where it came from if the facts they are giving are true? Tell me what part isn't true?
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Because a heaping portion of what JoeFan posts isn't true but rather conjecture on half true information relayed as facts. This is how you get to Pizzagate which was one of the stories JoeFan advanced previously.

JoeFan wants it to be true because it fits his worldview. You may fall into that camp too but just because you want it to be true doesn't make it so.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Because a heaping portion of what JoeFan posts isn't true but rather conjecture on half true information relayed as facts. This is how you get to Pizzagate which was one of the stories JoeFan advanced previously.

JoeFan wants it to be true because it fits his worldview. You may fall into that camp too but just because you want it to be true doesn't make it so.
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They did shut down that child sex ring.... Jade HELMMMM!!!!!!
 
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