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[Mr. Deez]

I get it. But where do you draw the line for when it is acceptable? At what point should you push back. Most wouldn't do it at Lake Austin. But there is a line where it is the right thing to do.

You do what she did. She put up resistance to the law but didn't do something stupid to get herself into trouble for something unrelated.

 

[Monahorns]

Yeah. She did good. But is there a point at which you do push the cop in a lake? What would he have to do to justify in your mind?

 

[theiioftx]

If American companies do not feel the pain from outsourcing to China and India economically from this, I have no sympathy.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Yeah. She did good. But is there a point at which you do push the cop in a lake? What would he have to do to justify in your mind?

Probably not, because that's a stupid prank with no upside. It would just get me thrown in the slammer or shot. Would I ever use physical force against a cop? Yes, if what he was trying to do to me was worse than going to jail. For example, if a cop was trying to kill me or inflict serious bodily injury, I'd use force to try to stop him.

Before you go there, I'll also acknowledge that an organized, armed rebellion against the government for abuse of power can be justified and even morally obligated. However, that isn't what we're talking about. You're asking about a lone cheesedick pushing a cop into a lake without any be physical provocation. That's pretty much always a stupid thing to do.

 

[Mr. Deez]

If American companies do not feel the pain from outsourcing to China and India economically from this, I have no sympathy.

I make a pretty big distinction between India and China.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Looks like Sara Palin showed up at the Salon. Link. Gotta love a little political exploitation.

 

[Clean]

Shelley Luther is an American hero. She's the Rosa Parks of the Coronavirus power grab by power hungry politicians. Maybe she'll spark a movement where Americans reclaim the freedoms that they've surrendered.

 

[Phil Elliott]

It is my understanding that Gov. Abbott ordered her to be released immediately.

 

[Horn6721]

I can't believe they actually put her in jail.

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Joe Fan]

Abbott is calling for her release. I did not think she went straight to jail?
That would have been really stupid

Judges matter

 

[Joe Fan]

Judges matter

He does have an opponent

 

[Horn6721]

Too bad she is an attractive white female Repub.

I just found out the salon owner is still in jail, INSANE.

 

[Joe Fan]

A growing number of reports indicate Chinese officials pushed their counterparts in Europe to make positive statements about China in order to receive shipments of medical supplies to fight the novel coronavirus.​

China’s ‘Donation Diplomacy’ Raises Tensions With U.S.

 

[Joe Fan]

Too bad she is an attractive white female Repub.
....

Given that the judge is a known liberal activist, one cannot help but wonder if that played a role in his disproportionate decision

 

[Horn6721]

That ^ is a Captain Obvious.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I can't believe they actually put her in jail.

I understand why she wanted to open, and I'm not a big Eric Moyé fan. He is a liberal judge elected in a liberal county. However, I'm not sure what he was supposed to do. She broke the law. He started out by issuing a restraining order, and she violated it. Well, that sounds like contempt of court to me. Contempt usually leads to fines and jail time. That's why people obey judge's order.

Of course, she can and should appeal.

 

[Horn6721]

The people stealing less than$750.00 are breaking the law but don't even get arrested
The felons being let out due to coronavirus broke the law but they aren't in jail.
She is

 

[Garmel]

The Texas Supreme Court ordered the release of Shelley Luther. Justice has been served.

 

[Horn6721]

Texas Supreme Court Orders Release of Dallas Salon Owner in COVID-19 Controversy

I did not realize she was not jailed for violating Abbott's eo but for contempt of court.She refused to apologize .

 

[Monahorns]

Probably not, because that's a stupid prank with no upside. It would just get me thrown in the slammer or shot. Would I ever use physical force against a cop? Yes, if what he was trying to do to me was worse than going to jail. For example, if a cop was trying to kill me or inflict serious bodily injury, I'd use force to try to stop him.

Before you go there, I'll also acknowledge that an organized, armed rebellion against the government for abuse of power can be justified and even morally obligated. However, that isn't what we're talking about. You're asking about a lone cheesedick pushing a cop into a lake without any be physical provocation. That's pretty much always a stupid thing to do.

Those are reasonable thoughts. I think my line is close to yours based on the day. But if government overreach becomes a consistent thing the line gets pushed lower for me. As they encroach on me, my sensitivity and motivation for the need to push back grows.

The facts are that cops are enforcing injustice all over our country today. Because of that I do celebrate the "cheesedicks" out there. Without them organized, armed rebellion never happens. Plus, maybe if people pushback enough when things aren't too heated, then violence is reduced overall.

Even looking at the American Revolution, Washington, Adams, and other like them were aghast that Western hooligans started shooting British soldiers over what they thought were not justified. They commanded them to stop too. Eventually, the "Leaders" had to follow the Minutemen into war, begrudgingly.

The official American Army also had to use the militia tactics of the Minutemen despite their disgust in doing so.

 

[Monahorns]

Reasons why I think it is important for citizens to push back now, in the least violent means possible. Policemen seem to do things that are easy to do. If there is no pushback they become emboldened to do more.

Plus, shelter in place and lockdowns are questionable.

Police Are Complicit in Politicians' Disregard for the Rule of Law | Ryan McMaken

 

[Mr. Deez]

The people stealing less than$750.00 are breaking the law but don't even get arrested
The felons being let out due to coronavirus broke the law but they aren't in jail.
She is

Those are stupid-*** policy decisions by a county going far left, but they have nothing to do with Moyé or his ruling in this case.

 

[Horn6721]

Mr D
Do you think she showed contempt enough to get thrown in jail at a time when they are releasing convicted felons due to COVID 19 danger?
It seems to me that is an unequal administering of the law

 

[Austin_Bill]

Reading through this thread made me wonder how many of our Constitutional rights are being violated.

Freedom of Speech
Right to keep and bare arms
Freedom of Religion
Life Liberty and the pursuit of happiness
Right to vote

At what point do we have to ask who is the enemy, is it a foreign power or our own government?

 

[Horn6721]

Now California is going to " commandeer" hotels that refuse to allow homeless AND
They are giving drugs alcohol and tobbaco to the homeless already in hotels
Venturs county will remove a virused person ftom a home if they can't be isolated in their own home. What if it is a 6 yr old chid?

 

[Austin_Bill]

Now California is going to " commandeer" hotels that refuse to allow homeless AND
They are giving drugs alcohol and tobbaco to the homeless already in hotels
Venturs county will remove a virused person ftom a home if they can't be isolated in their own home. What if it is a 6 yr old chid?

Interesting question, no way would I allow a government to take my child. That is where I'm willing to go toe to toe with law enforcement.

 

[Chop]

I make a pretty big distinction between India and China.

Exactly. China is an enemy, not only to us, but to the entire world (save perhaps N. Korea). I wouldn't go so far as to call India a friend yet, but they're on good terms with us and getting friendlier. There's still some pent up anti-Western feeling in the Subcontinent; you can thank the Brits for that.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Mr D
Do you think she showed contempt enough to get thrown in jail

If someone violates a restraining order and tells the judge she's going to keep violating it, that's pretty flagrant contempt. Yes, it's enough to throw her in the slammer.

Mr D
at a time when they are releasing convicted felons due to COVID 19 danger?
It seems to me that is an unequal administering of the law

That has no bearing on the matter. The executive branch is who's deciding to release people. It has nothing to do with what a judge is ordering on a specific case.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Those are reasonable thoughts. I think my line is close to yours based on the day. But if government overreach becomes a consistent thing the line gets pushed lower for me. As they encroach on me, my sensitivity and motivation for the need to push back grows.

The facts are that cops are enforcing injustice all over our country today. Because of that I do celebrate the "cheesedicks" out there. Without them organized, armed rebellion never happens. Plus, maybe if people pushback enough when things aren't too heated, then violence is reduced overall.

Even looking at the American Revolution, Washington, Adams, and other like them were aghast that Western hooligans started shooting British soldiers over what they thought were not justified. They commanded them to stop too. Eventually, the "Leaders" had to follow the Minutemen into war, begrudgingly.

The official American Army also had to use the militia tactics of the Minutemen despite their disgust in doing so.

Again, my hostility to pushing the cop into the lake isn't about my line. I think it's a tactically dumb thing to do regardless of the line. Can it encourage others to join the cause? I doubt it, because the cop wasn't personally doing anything wrong. He was just doing his job and wasn't hurting anybody. I think the salon lady is serving her cause much more.

And even though I'm not ripping the judge for his contempt order, I'm not hostile to the woman for resisting. She's doing this the right way.