Caucus for Torah Values

[LonghornCatholic]

This is an unfortunate passage as I believe it cleanses the minds of those in wealth... there is no regret or concern when Jesus himself words it in such a way as to make one assume the poor are poor for reasons that are either their own fault or God's will.

Man, thats an interesting interpretation.

Jesus speaks all throughout the NT about feeding and caring for the poor, and loving one anther. Respect your interpretation of that passage, but gotta disagree with you.

 

[nashhorn]

LC what is that Bible version? Never heard it expressed like that.

 

[LonghornCatholic]

Are you referring to the Matthew 26 verse?

 

[nashhorn]

Yes

 

[bystander]

Man, thats an interesting interpretation.

Jesus speaks all throughout the NT about feeding and caring for the poor, and loving one anther. Respect your interpretation of that passage, but gotta disagree with you.

It's because the world is a la carte and that passage is used quite often.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Interesting, Deez.

I think objections about the Church’s alleged wealth is in regard to the art in the Vatican. Most of the art represents the work of Christians who wanted to place their talents at the service of God through the Church. The artwork is an example of their religiosity (if thats word) and is not for sale. Had the Catholic Church not preserved the art, much of it would have been destroyed through the ages. The art is part of our heritage as Christians and few people, Catholic or Non, who appreciate such breathtaking work would prefer that these majestic treasures be entrusted to secular folk, or salesman.

Matthew 26:6-11
A woman came up to Him with an alabaster jar of very expensive ointment, and she poured it on His head as He sat at table. But when the disciples saw it, they were indignant, saying, “Why this waste? For the ointment might have been sold for a large sum and given to the poor.” But Jesus, aware of this, said to them, “Why do you trouble the woman? For she has done a beautiful thing to Me. For you always have the poor with you, but you will not always have Me.”

LC, I understand that, and I think there's merit to your point. However, I don't follow the Matthew 26:6-11 reference, because I don't see how these works of art glorify God the way someone personally annointing the Christ did.

 

[bystander]

LC, I understand that, and I think there's merit to your point. However, I don't follow the Matthew 26:6-11 reference, because I don't see how these works of art glorify God the way someone personally annointing the Christ did.

Maybe it's the idea of displaying the paintings for the glory of God (like putting oil on Jesus' feet?) instead of selling them and giving the money to the poor?

 

[guy4321]

I've never heard that in 20 years of attending a Protestant church. Considering the Jews have always been in the Israel area, and have had their own country for 70 plus years, you'd have to be pretty old to remember a time that they didn't have their own country.

Look up "Christian Zionism." I learned of it in history class regarding post WW2 activities, and 70 years isn't long compared to the 7th century Israel fall to the Arabs to the 1948 creation of Israel.

 

[LonghornCatholic]

LC, I understand that, and I think there's merit to your point. However, I don't follow the Matthew 26:6-11 reference, because I don't see how these works of art glorify God the way someone personally annointing the Christ did.

I hear ya and fair enough…..you ole heathen . Just kidding.
I’ll just wrap up with saying many of the great cathedrals in Europe were built with donations and labor from the poor who wanted to build monuments to God’s goodness. The Vatican does not control enormous wealth, liquid wealth anyway, and its annual operating budget has been compared to that of a large archdiocese like that of Chicago.

The Catholic Church is still one of the most giving institutions on earth running and supporting tons of charities, relief organizations, hospitals, and other enterprises at great cost to the Church. Peace

 

[LonghornCatholic]

We are all welcome to sell our boats, sports cars, lake houses, etc and give it to the poor.

 

[OUBubba]

I hear ya and fair enough…..you ole heathen . Just kidding.
I’ll just wrap up with saying many of the great cathedrals in Europe were built with donations and labor from the poor who wanted to build monuments to God’s goodness. The Vatican does not control enormous wealth, liquid wealth anyway, and its annual operating budget has been compared to that of a large archdiocese like that of Chicago.

The Catholic Church is still one of the most giving institutions on earth running and supporting tons of charities, relief organizations, hospitals, and other enterprises at great cost to the Church. Peace

The nuns running Catholic hospitals are sharp business folks.

 

[Monahorns]

That’s actually a great point, By. This verse was more to lay out the biblical principle of punishment even after forgiveness, not necessarily the process of purgatory.

LC, you described very well the Protestant doctrine of sanctification. So I agree with you. Heb 12:9-12 also calls it discipline.

 

[LonghornCatholic]

The nuns running Catholic hospitals are sharp business folks.

Not to mention meaner than rattle snakes. Some people fear clowns….I fear 12 inch rulers.

 

[LonghornCatholic]

Yes

I’ll be honest, I’m not sure. I have a binder, yes a Tom Herman type binder lol, I put together of go to scripture versus and sorted by by, for example - purgatory, salvation, etc but I didn’t include version. I should start adding that, but I’ll go through my Bibles and try to get that for you.

 

[LonghornCatholic]

 

[OUBubba]

…..but I’ll go through my Bibles

Who needs more than two? The reading one and the KJV I received in Sunday school.

 

[nashhorn]

That’s why I asked LC. There are so many versions out there. Some of which I cannot appreciate, although I cannot remember which they were - well except Gideon’s, I wasn’t fond of that one when I read a bit of it once.