Can anyone justify NOT having the Wall?

Sangre
They are bussed to a strange area, don't speak English, have no transportation. There wasn't the fed paid support systems set in like in Chicago
I thought asking how they are getting around and paying for things was a reasonable thing to ask
 
This made me laugh. Illegals showing up at Kamala's with pillows
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mchammer said:
Yea, they can make $15 an hour washing dishes, doing lawn care, or roofing. 4 together in a household equates to $120k per year. The problem is that it takes work away from native low-skilled workers and puts pressure on community healthcare centers. They also apply for benefits if they have children.
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Hmmm, I'm getting a new roof next week.

:yippee:
 
mchammer said:
Yea, they can make $15 an hour washing dishes, doing lawn care, or roofing. 4 together in a household equates to $120k per year. The problem is that it takes work away from native low-skilled workers and puts pressure on community healthcare centers. They also apply for benefits if they have children.
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I'm not disputing that. I was just trying to answer some rather inane, and hopefully rhetorical questions posed.
 
Nope. No sarcasm. Most (not all) of the people want to work and send money home. So they do. Most of the people don't NEED the Fed to give them handouts. They will take them, to be sure. But they don't NEED them.
 
My original question specifically was about this group getting rebussed from Chicago to a strange town. Who housed and fed them? Who paid for it? Who paid for the clothes and bags of stuff they had? Who paid for their phones. etc etc
You say most don't "need it" But who pays for their living and up keep until they find housing and a job? Who is paying for all the shelters food clothes meds and equipment like play grounds etc, Schooling and supplies when they get here? Who paid for Obama's cages?
It is not like it is just a few able bodied men sneaking in and immediately getting jobs.
It is hundreds of millions that WE are footing the bill for those who don't need it"
 
Horn6721 said:
My original question specifically was about this group getting rebussed from Chicago to a strange town. Who housed and fed them? Who paid for it? Who paid for the clothes and bags of stuff they had? Who paid for their phones. etc etc
You say most don't "need it" But who pays for their living and up keep until they find housing and a job? Who is paying for all the shelters food clothes meds and equipment like play grounds etc, Schooling and supplies when they get here? Who paid for Obama's cages?
It is not like it is just a few able bodied men sneaking in and immediately getting jobs.
It is hundreds of millions that WE are footing the bill for those who don't need it"
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Don’t worry - they have a lifetime to pay it back in taxes. Remember government spending is an investment.
 
saw that as much as 13.1% of Texas students are illegal immigrants. We have roughly 5.4MM students in TX. 13% of that is 710K. regular funding is around $10,500 per student. ESL runs about $1K more (i would suggest it is an even higher burden than that) that means that we are spending about (710K x $11,500) extra each year to educate illegal immigrants. That is roughly $8 Billion in funding that has to come from somewhere. that somewhere is us. This doesn't even count the kids that are now citizens because their illegal immigrant parents had them after they got here. Those kids may have some English but they are still a new student that wouldn't been in the system had it not been for illegal immigration. This is just the education burden. I would bet the healthcare burden has an even bigger bill.
 
BrntOrngStmpeDe said:
saw that as much as 13.1% of Texas students are illegal immigrants. We have roughly 5.4MM students in TX. 13% of that is 710K. regular funding is around $10,500 per student. ESL runs about $1K more (i would suggest it is an even higher burden than that) that means that we are spending about (710K x $11,500) extra each year to educate illegal immigrants. That is roughly $8 Billion in funding that has to come from somewhere. that somewhere is us. This doesn't even count the kids that are now citizens because their illegal immigrant parents had them after they got here. Those kids may have some English but they are still a new student that wouldn't been in the system had it not been for illegal immigration. This is just the education burden. I would bet the healthcare burden has an even bigger bill.
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Imagine what it does to wages of low skilled workers.
 
Really glad about the bussing that Abbott, DeSantis, et al. are doing. It puts the issue back on the radar for everyone across the country. The Dems can't complain about it and grandstand without talking about it. The more they talk about it, the more EVERYONE can see the problem.

"mas Vinedos de Martha"
 
So some long time Martha Vineyard residents are calling for the Obama's to open their HUGE estate to house the illegals.:lmao:

This is a 42 year resident
"I would love to see the Obamas open up their huge property and erect tents and look after all these people while they’rhttps://nypost.com/2022/09/16/marthas-vineyard-local-obamas-should-house-migrants/e being processed,” Chittick said
Despite calls to keep the migrants on the island, Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker and the Massachusetts Emergency Management Agency started moving them from the island to a military base on Cape Cod that houses an emergency shelter, putting them out of sight of the island’s deep-pocketed and well-connected inhabitants, who include former Secretary of State John Kerry, comedians Amy Schumer and Seth Myers, director Spike Lee and ex-Obama aide Valerie Jarrett."
Martha's Vineyard local: Obamas should house migrants
Ken Burns likened it to Jews being sent to concentration camps.

These jerks know how hypocritical they sound but don't care.
 
Horn6721 said:
So some long time Martha Vineyard residents are calling for the Obama's to open their HUGE estate to house the illegals.:lmao:

This is a 42 year resident
"I would love to see the Obamas open up their huge property and erect tents and look after all these people while they’rhttps://nypost.com/2022/09/16/marthas-vineyard-local-obamas-should-house-migrants/e being processed,” Chittick said
Despite calls to keep the migrants on the island, Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker and the Massachusetts Emergency Management Agency started moving them from the island to a military base on Cape Cod that houses an emergency shelter, putting them out of sight of the island’s deep-pocketed and well-connected inhabitants, who include former Secretary of State John Kerry, comedians Amy Schumer and Seth Myers, director Spike Lee and ex-Obama aide Valerie Jarrett."
Martha's Vineyard local: Obamas should house migrants
Ken Burns likened it to Jews being sent to concentration camps.

These jerks know how hypocritical they sound but don't care.
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if the GOP were smart, they would get some witty comedian to do a 60 second clip of some Martha's Vineyard "thurston howell" wannabe showing off the "inhumane" conditions on MV island.

" See look here...just last week we ran out of the '59 Dom Perignon. How can a migrant be expected to live under these conditions?"
 
Looks like Texas will keep sending illegals out of here. Ya know to not deprive the elites in the east of Diversity.
Texas will ‘keep those buses coming’ until Biden admin ‘wakes up’: Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick
"I'm serious about this. The legislators are serious about this. The people of Texas are serious about it. The other thing I'd want to do, we're spending, by the way, to put this in perspective to all these whiny babies up in these blue states, 'Oh, this is such a crisis.' We normally spend $400 million a year on border security. We're spending over $4 billion of Texas taxpayer money, money we could spend on health care, on education, on more roads, whatever it might be, $4 billion a year. We have our National Guard there on the border. This is a financial burden on us. But most importantly, it's an invasion of our state. "

I guess Abbott and Patrick didn't get the message that the Illegals don't need the aid
 
I didn't realize some don't know how to go to a link but need the entire article posted here. OK. here

"With Texas continuing to send migrant buses to sanctuary cities and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis facing political backlash for sending two planes to Martha's Vineyard, Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick claimed the state will "keep those buses coming," and teased legislation that would ease the crisis' "financial burden" and "invasion of our state," on "Fox & Friends Weekend" Saturday.
I've always asked this question and on this show before, exactly what is Biden's answer when we say, where do these people go? Where do they actually go? How do they live? Do they move in with somebody? We can't put a 15-year-old in the fourth grade if they're two or three grade levels behind. Where do they get their health care services or emergency rooms? What do they do for working? They don't have a legal permit. So they've been dumping people in America for a long time, a long time. And now Texas is saying, we're fighting back. We're going to send them to your neighborhood and we're going to keep those buses coming until finally this administration wakes up. And, we'll pass legislation next session that will hopefully get us to the Supreme Court, where this Supreme Court can rule that Texas and everyone else has a right to protect their citizens, and then we can do it."

Gee I wonder if paying for housing for illegals,food etc and Medical care could be considered "Direct Aid"?
 
He is asking rhetorical questions. He isn't quoting welfare costs to illegals in that bolded text.

I'm not saying there are no costs involved. I am saying you are probably overreacting by acting all pissed off at the illegals in question. I suggest we can find common ground if you direct your ire at the government and their insane policies more than the people who are taking advantage of them.
 
Pointing out how much of our taxpayer dollars is being used because Biden et al has an open door policy IS directed directly at the Fed gov't.
 
Sangre Naranjada said:
Border security = direct aid to migrants?

Your reading comprehension suffers when you try to snark.
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It may not be direct aid, or even aid to illegal immigrants but it certainly a cost to taxpayers. And it is a cost that has been lied about for a very, very long time. There are HUGE costs associated with both letting illegal immigrants in and simultaneously building walls, national guard, etc to keep the flow down.

The solution was what the Trump Admin did. REMAIN IN MEXICO had taken this problem back down to manageable numbers.

If we coupled Remain In Mexico with real E-Verify enforcement, this issue would almost disappear.
 
It turns out just one of the towns on Martha's Vineyard,Edgartown, has enough surplus Cash to house all the illegals in hotels for a Year.
So far neither Obama who has plenty of acreage to house many illegals nor any other tony resident had offered to help.
 
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