Imagine how good it would have been if Jordan was in charge of the House at the time.
Can anyone justify NOT having the Wall?
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Imagine how good it would have been if Jordan was in charge of the House at the time.
Yep. While he was with Homeland Security he was an ardent wall supporter. I'm sure Husker didn't know that part. Kelly probably had a change of heart because he knows it will get him a job with the MSM.
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Joe Fan
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When I first moved to DC, I was not prepared for the daily metro (subway) ride. I thought I was. But I wasnt. Coming in from N.Virg on the Orange Line in the mornings was already crowded by my stop (Courthouse). One of those first days, I remember having to stand in the middle. There was an overhead thing you are supposed to grip tight because the car really lurched on takeoff. And so I guess I didnt do it correctly and went arse-first into some poor woman who was calmly sitting there reading the front section of the WAPO (crowded metro reading skills were part art, part athletics). And, so I went right through her paper and landed in her lap. Can you imagine? I could not get up fast enough. Upon gathering herself by peeling her paper off her chest, she loudly says, "Now that's what I call hindsight!"
A line I never forgot. Obviously.
I suspect this is where Trump is at now with some of those early choices - Hindsight!. He tried to play the DC game the way he was told it should be played and it bit him in the arse. He should have trusted his instincts.
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All sorts of plagues and diseases that we had eliminated from the US are being re-introduced via immigration. LA is now suffering a Typhus outbreak mostly due to immigrants living in squalor-feces, urine, rats and filth. This is what letting the Democrats control your politics brings.
There are so many illegals coming in that Feds are asking the Pentagon to provide space for 5,000 AND HHS is taking 400 million from programs for Americans to take care of Illegals.
But NO crisis, right?
Pentagon slammed with illegal immigrant detention requests amid border crisis
But NO crisis, right?
Pentagon slammed with illegal immigrant detention requests amid border crisis
Joe Fan
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There is no typhus vaccine so cant blame whacky whitey for this. Typhus comes from unsanitary conditions - lice/fleas from rats, and so forth. It occurs in third world countries (or when you bring the third world to you).
Idiots like AOC don't believe the programs can sink since, after all, we can just print more money.
And California (one of the primary points of illegal entry due to lax enforcement and sanctuary city policies) has been demonstrating at the State level (in addition to the federal level) that they don't care about costs even though the State clearly cannot support the additional burden. I saw they are now whining about the smaller reimbursement figure for repair to an earthen dam, never mind that the costs SHOULD rightfully be borne primarily by the State.
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Jaguar won't be euthanized after zoo attack on selfie-taking Arizona woman, officials say
Libs believe that if a very small number gets across the border with a wall then that mean it doesn’t work. That would be like saying to take down the fence at this zoo because this Jaguar got a hold of 2 people so far from the tens of thousands that visit the zoo each year.
Libs believe that if a very small number gets across the border with a wall then that mean it doesn’t work. That would be like saying to take down the fence at this zoo because this Jaguar got a hold of 2 people so far from the tens of thousands that visit the zoo each year.
Joe Fan
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The reason is simple to explain -- they oppose a wall is because they know it would work.
Each group has its own reasons - Dems want votes, Paul-Ryan-Rs want cheap labor - not just for construction, farm/factory work but they also want their nannies, maids, cooks. They do not admit this publicly because they cant really. So they invent whatever rhetoric they thinks fits the particular audience at the time. It's classic upper 10% versus the 90%.
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Illegal immigrant and gang member with long criminal history 'stabbed and beat a mother to death' in California -- “ICE had applied nine times for a detainer on Carranza ... and the county ignored all nine requests allowing him to reoffend again.”
--Carlos Carranza, 24, arrested for the murder of Bambi Larson, 59, in San Jose
--Cops say Carranza stalked the mother before beating and stabbing her to death
--Larson's bloody body was discovered at her home by her son on February 28
Illegal immigrant 'stabbed and beat a mother to death' in California | Daily Mail Online
--Carlos Carranza, 24, arrested for the murder of Bambi Larson, 59, in San Jose
--Cops say Carranza stalked the mother before beating and stabbing her to death
--Larson's bloody body was discovered at her home by her son on February 28
Illegal immigrant 'stabbed and beat a mother to death' in California | Daily Mail Online
Media really are Hos
Reuters posted this and then as fast as they could other media jumped on it
Reuters:
Trump's border wall money may come at expense of schools for military kids
- The U.S. Department of Defense is proposing to pay for President Donald Trump's much-debated border wall by shifting funds away from projects that include $1.2 billion for schools, childcare centers and other facilities for military children, according to a list it has provided to lawmakers.
Around 10 percent of the list relates to educational establishments and includes school buildings for the children of service members in places like Germany, Japan, Kentucky and Puerto Rico.
But But the Children. If the faux outraged actually read on they will read this
"However, of the $1.2 billion in projects related to education, approximately $800 million worth are far in the future, and those funds could readily be used for wall construction and replaced later.
The Pentagon told Congress that just because a project was listed, it "does not mean that the project will, in fact, be used" as a funding source to build sections of the border wall.
Military officials have vowed that they would not use any funds from military housing. A recent Reuters investigation Ambushed at Home found thousands of U.S. military families were subjected to serious health and safety hazards in on-base housing, prompting moves from lawmakers to improve landlord controls.( this confused me, on base housing is usually NOT controlled by local landlords)"
Reuters posted this and then as fast as they could other media jumped on it
Reuters:
Trump's border wall money may come at expense of schools for military kids
- The U.S. Department of Defense is proposing to pay for President Donald Trump's much-debated border wall by shifting funds away from projects that include $1.2 billion for schools, childcare centers and other facilities for military children, according to a list it has provided to lawmakers.
Around 10 percent of the list relates to educational establishments and includes school buildings for the children of service members in places like Germany, Japan, Kentucky and Puerto Rico.
But But the Children. If the faux outraged actually read on they will read this
"However, of the $1.2 billion in projects related to education, approximately $800 million worth are far in the future, and those funds could readily be used for wall construction and replaced later.
The Pentagon told Congress that just because a project was listed, it "does not mean that the project will, in fact, be used" as a funding source to build sections of the border wall.
Military officials have vowed that they would not use any funds from military housing. A recent Reuters investigation Ambushed at Home found thousands of U.S. military families were subjected to serious health and safety hazards in on-base housing, prompting moves from lawmakers to improve landlord controls.( this confused me, on base housing is usually NOT controlled by local landlords)"
Not a fan of the wall and even less of a fan of the "national emergency," but this is very deceptive. This move won't or certainly doesn't have to impact anything. The Department of Defense Education Activity (DoDEA) has been closing and consolidating schools for years in Germany, the UK, Portugal, Italy, Korea, and Japan, and they have very small average class sizes. They have excess space, not an overcrowding problem. The consolidating has required expanding some facilities, but they've cut back so heavily because of the closures (while their budget has been increased) that there's plenty of money for the expansions. I've seen many of them firsthand - even while the sequester was in place. It's also an extremely top-heavy agency - lots of very high-paid administrators in the US and abroad.
In addition, a substantial piece of DoDEA is "DoDEA Americas." These are schools that are located on US military bases in the US, Puerto Rico, and Cuba. I'd keep the schools in Puerto Rico and Cuba. They are very essential, but most of the schools in the US are in areas that haven't needed a separate military school in decades or even a century. It's just pure waste.
The point is that $1.2B over several years isn't going to harm the children of military personnel. Hell, probably none of them would even know the difference. They will still go to nice schools with very small class sizes that are staffed by the highest paid public school teachers in the world.
But of course, none of that fits the preferred narrative.
Base housing is owned by the government, but management and maintenance is often contracted out to private firms. As you might guess, there is sometimes sleaziness in determining who gets these contracts and how vigorously the relevant officials make sure the private companies actually do their jobs.
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That is one of the biggest questions that never gets asked. Even if there are jobs, they will be of the low-end service sector variety. The kind that pays $12 for dog walkers, and as soon as we have a recession, all of these people will be unemployed and on the govt dole.
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Here is a WAPo article about the constitutionality of Trump's declaration and the Wall, written by a Con Law Prof at NYU Law named Richard H. Pildes
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...rations/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ef5d5d8c1941
Pildes notes the National Emergencies Act (NEA), enacted l976, has been used by presidents 58 times. In each case, the president (both Ds and Rs) spent funds not appropriated by Congress and the Supreme Court did not overturn the action.
Pildes cites Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Chadha as a key case for the idea that -- “legislative vetoes are unconstitutional” -- including vetoes of actions under the National Emergencies Act.
Chadha gives
Lastly, the final advantage for Trump is that the law in issue does
Thus President Trump neither violated the Constitution nor violated separation of powers. His unilateral action was a constitutional power ceded to him by an Act of Congress (the NEA in l976) and used by presidents on both sides of the political aisle 58 times. Obama, for example, used the act to transfer funds without congressional authority to his health care act.
So if this does end up before the SCOTUS, which seems likely, the vote, following their own precedent in Chadha, should be 9-0. I doubt this will happen though since liberals on the Court sadly stick together as a block for purely political reasons regardless of the law (like Pelosi's House, its just what they do). So it smells like another 5 to 4 vote. But the outcome is inevitable.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...rations/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ef5d5d8c1941
Pildes notes the National Emergencies Act (NEA), enacted l976, has been used by presidents 58 times. In each case, the president (both Ds and Rs) spent funds not appropriated by Congress and the Supreme Court did not overturn the action.
“Courts are uncomfortable when asked to second-guess presidential judgments in areas such as national security, foreign affairs and emergencies.”
Pildes cites Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Chadha as a key case for the idea that -- “legislative vetoes are unconstitutional” -- including vetoes of actions under the National Emergencies Act.
“Congress cannot act through a legislative veto but can act only by passing a new law.”
INS v. Chadha, 462 U.S. 919 (1983)Chadha gives
"Trump the chance to veto Congress' disapproval ... ”
of his actions. A Trump veto means Congress would need a “two-thirds majority in each chamber to override.” Such a 2/3 supermajority would be 67 votes in Senate and 290 votes in House. This is not going to happen in either chamber.Lastly, the final advantage for Trump is that the law in issue does
“does not define what constitutes an emergency.”
So while some in Congress may be unhappy, it is their own fault, something they usually conveniently overlook.Thus President Trump neither violated the Constitution nor violated separation of powers. His unilateral action was a constitutional power ceded to him by an Act of Congress (the NEA in l976) and used by presidents on both sides of the political aisle 58 times. Obama, for example, used the act to transfer funds without congressional authority to his health care act.
So if this does end up before the SCOTUS, which seems likely, the vote, following their own precedent in Chadha, should be 9-0. I doubt this will happen though since liberals on the Court sadly stick together as a block for purely political reasons regardless of the law (like Pelosi's House, its just what they do). So it smells like another 5 to 4 vote. But the outcome is inevitable.
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Another liberal myth busted. More drugs seized at unguarded sections of the border than at ports of entry in 2018
Joe Fan
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The Border Patrol is on pace to apprehend about 100,000 illegal aliens this month alone along the southwest border. The El Paso sector alone now has more than 13,400 migrants in custody.
It's a strange form of cruelty for liberals to continue to deny there is a crisis at the border.
Hundreds of agents will be pulled from ports of entry to help El Paso Border Patrol process undocumented immigrants
"A crisis level is 6,000, 13,000 is unprecedented."
It's a strange form of cruelty for liberals to continue to deny there is a crisis at the border.
Hundreds of agents will be pulled from ports of entry to help El Paso Border Patrol process undocumented immigrants
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