Brittany Griner

Chop said:
Sounds like no prisoner rights at all.
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Surely you realize that Texas and other States ALSO require inmates who are medically eligible to work in various jobs, including some in the fields with an aggy (and not the skool type of aggy).

Most Texas prisons are NOT air conditioned. Some have had to retrofit after some older sex offenders whined and sniveled in federal court. Are Texas prisons without A/C pleasant? Not really. But they were not unbearable. I know...I worked in several of them at the start of my career.

We were already molly-coddling them even before the 1992 Consent Decree.
 
mb227 said:
Surely you realize that Texas and other States ALSO require inmates who are medically eligible to work in various jobs, including some in the fields with an aggy (and not the skool type of aggy).

Most Texas prisons are NOT air conditioned. Some have had to retrofit after some older sex offenders whined and sniveled in federal court. Are Texas prisons without A/C pleasant? Not really. But they were not unbearable. I know...I worked in several of them at the start of my career.

We were already molly-coddling them even before the 1992 Consent Decree.
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It's common knowledge that prisoners are treated rough here, but in a Russian labor camp, they've got no rights at all. They're probably not even fed enough to keep them from slowly starving and wasting away. "Russian labor camp" sounds like a Gulag.
 
mb,

I thought William Wayne Justice (pardon the profanity) ruled the State could not force the prisoners to work.
 
SabreHorn said:
mb,

I thought William Wayne Justice (pardon the profanity) ruled the State could not force the prisoners to work.
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In some prisons, don't they pay them some really small wage for their work, with which they can buy stuff like toothbrushes, paper, and stamps from the prison "store"? Maybe that's in some other states...?
 
Chop,

My understanding is that is correct. Some work the cattle and fields because it allows them to be outside the walls. See the long narrow strip of land across from Sugar Land airport that Gerlad Hines optioned for the Saturn plant.
 
SabreHorn said:
mb,

I thought William Wayne Justice (pardon the profanity) ruled the State could not force the prisoners to work.
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We were allowed to work them, just not in segregated groups and only for certain hours. Food and water also could not be denied to those who refused.

That said, we were STILL permitted to stack the periods of cell restriction and other privileges for those who refused to turn out for a job which was consistent with their medical profile.

Units around the State still have LOTS of make-work field squads for the disciplinary problems...
 
Chop said:
In some prisons, don't they pay them some really small wage for their work, with which they can buy stuff like toothbrushes, paper, and stamps from the prison "store"? Maybe that's in some other states...?
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The only ones in Texas paying any sort of wage are a couple of the privately-operated facilities. Henderson Controls at Lockhart is one of those. And they don't get to keep all of it...some goes to victims, some goes to fines and costs. I forget the precise breakdown but we had a client who was in that program for a few years before the release to parole took place...

Regular units do not pay...commissary is purchased with money from families or friends. Those without funds get indigent supplies like tooth powder and a limited amount of postage and supplies.
 
mb,

I had a friend in Mexico City whose uncle was sentenced to many years in a labor camp in Siberia when he was about 70. They forced the old man to work 12-16 hours a day at hard labor. Fortunately, his son became a valued scientist and part of the deal was his release and certain perks with a new life.
 
SabreHorn said:
Chop,

My understanding is that is correct. Some work the cattle and fields because it allows them to be outside the walls. See the long narrow strip of land across from Sugar Land airport that Gerlad Hines optioned for the Saturn plant.
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Outside trusties tend to love the units where they can work unsupervised outside of the perimeter. We did have an idiot former-attorney who whined because he was required to ride a tractor for 12-14 hours a day and that 'just wasn't fair.' Meanwhile, MOST trusties in those positions LOVE longer hours outside, even during the summer. Dog boys, err kennel attendants, are another class that put in long hours but love the work they are assigned. They also tend to keep up with the horses used by the field force bosses...
 
Chop said:
It's common knowledge that prisoners are treated rough here, but in a Russian labor camp, they've got no rights at all. They're probably not even fed enough to keep them from slowly starving and wasting away. "Russian labor camp" sounds like a Gulag.
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Inmates in this State are NOT 'treated rough.' Quit being a bleeding heart. It shows you have never seen the inside of a Texas correctional facility.
 
I had one acquaintance who did some time on one of the farms and said it was not bad at all except for the absence of women. He liked driving tractors and handling cattle.
 
huisache said:
I had one acquaintance who did some time on one of the farms and said it was not bad at all except for the absence of women. He liked driving tractors and handling cattle.
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Yeah, the outside trusties don't get a lot of access to the punk tanks ;)
 
It’s reportedly getting even worse for Griner.
She’s in a long-hours labor camp/gulag, and being fed insufficient amounts of food. And the food she does get is bad/rotten. And the Russian Winter is here. It’s just going further downhill for her in Russia.
 
Chop said:
It’s reportedly getting even worse for Griner.
She’s in a long-hours labor camp/gulag, and being fed insufficient amounts of food. And the food she does get is bad/rotten. And the Russian Winter is here. It’s just going further downhill for her in Russia.
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If she is not being treated differently than others in that facility, then I don't see the fundamental issue. Unless there is disparate treatment, this is pearl-clutching by entities applying US standards to another nation. Well, guess what...US standards are not what drive the day. Griner committed an offense in another nation and does not derive the benefit of US Constitutional protections.
 
mb227 said:
If she is not being treated differently than others in that facility, then I don't see the fundamental issue. Unless there is disparate treatment, this is pearl-clutching by entities applying US standards to another nation. Well, guess what...US standards are not what drive the day. Griner committed an offense in another nation and does not derive the benefit of US Constitutional protections.
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It reminds me of the Michael Fay freakout. I'll bet most forgot about that. Back in the '90s, he went to Singapore and vandalized cars and stole some road signs. He was sentenced to getting caned, and a bunch of American media outlets freaked out that he'd get corporal punishment for what he did and pushed the State Department to intervene. Singapore thinks you deserve a literal ***-whippin' for vandalism or threat. If you don't like that, don't steal or vandalize there. Pretty simple.

Likewise, don't try to bring dope into Russia.
 
It seems to me that most Americans would reflect on this and be thankful that we live in a country with due process, Constitutional protections, (mostly) proportional punishments, and (while unpleasant) at least not medieval/slow starvation/freeze them/work them to death—type punishments.

That’s how I look at it.

:usa::usa::usa::usa::usa::usa::usa::usa:
 
As for Griner herself, I hope she gets out of that frozen sh!thole—alive and soon. I thinks she’s just stupid and careless, not evil.

Maybe she’ll appreciate the USA a lot more.
 
Chop said:
There’s a serious chance that she won’t survive. It’s a gulag.
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Again, not to be mean but one would have to either be stupid, or think she was totally above any and all laws to think she wouldn't have to face consequences. Everyone knows a Russian prison is hell.

She's living a reality now, not the coddled existence of a pro athlete. She can only blame herself
 
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horninchicago said:
Correct. She will blame the oppressive US for having to have been in Russia in the first place.
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That's already happened. I've read some WNBA players complain about Brittney being forced to go over there to earn a living. So you know, US misogyny and racism is the reason.
 
bystander said:
That's already happened. I've read some WNBA players complain about Brittney being forced to go over there to earn a living. So you know, US misogyny and racism is the reason.
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One more comment. I have a daughter but accept the reality that women's sports are not the best. They offer entertainment to a certain degree for sports fans and of course those who love them. But I don't spend money on women's sports. I'm sorry about that. I also don't spend money on men's curling. These things are a matter of choice and when I spend money on sports (noting the high ticket prices) then I want to see the best.
 
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