You'll never stop uninsured motorists until you really punish them when caught (as opposed to a ticket with an order to appear). There should be a mandatory impoundment of the vehicle and at least some jail time.
Breyer retirement
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You'll never stop uninsured motorists until you really punish them when caught (as opposed to a ticket with an order to appear). There should be a mandatory impoundment of the vehicle and at least some jail time.
Seattle Husker
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This is true. I suspect the initial charge was simply to hold him or process him. The Prosecutor can make adjustments to the charges after greater investigation.
With Texas' Open Carry laws this type of tragedy will most assuredly be more common.
Seattle Husker
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The corollary to my idea for forcing liability insurance for gun owners who carry their gun outside of their home is that you'd confiscate the gun and have the potential for jail time depending on where the owner was caught with the gun/no insurance.
It's all about consequence and personal responsibility. It seems most Americans want freedom of action/socialization of remedy of consequence.
No mask no ICU? People don't like that idea.
No insurance? Seems there should be a consequence.
Monahorns
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Very Fascist. I don't want to live in a country any more fascist than it is.
The whole idea is punish the innocent. Because MAYBE it saves a life someday. However, there are untold lives saved and theft prevented by lawful gun use. Making that more expensive discriminates against the poor. It treats their lives as less valuable. Poor Lives Matter!
Seattle Husker
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I don't want to live in a society where every Tom, Dick or Sally is carrying a gun whether they are responsible enough to have it or not. Still, some states seem to want to return to the Wild Wild West. We're not removing guns from society...that rubicon was passed long ago. Now my goal is simply to enforce more accountability on those that choose to carry a gun, a similar accountability to those that choose to drive a car. You can call it whatever you want but by your definition every country sans Afghanistan is "fascist". I'd sincerely hope that we can be more civilized than Afghanistan with regard to our guns but understand that the mere mention of government enforcing responsible gun use is enough to drive some into irrational thoughts.
I recognize that, and like I mentioned earlier, I'm certainly open to a liability insurance requirement for those who want to open carry. It's at least not crazy or "fascistic."
Monahorns
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Not everyone is carrying a gun.
A historical study going through the data showed the wild west was very peaceful and lawful region. Sounds like a good situation to me. Don't let movies determine your view of history.
We enforce responsible gun use but advocating training, building a culture of gun safety, and punishing people who break the laws. If jail time or the death penalty doesn't dissuade to break the law, then requiring insurance won't either. It just makes it harder for poor people to defend themselves.
When I moved from NC to Texas in 1991 my auto insurance premiums doubled. I asked why - uninsured drivers in Texas.
Seattle Husker
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Yes, but in Texas for example everyone CAN carry a gun regardless of your experience. I support Concealed Carry permits. They required licensing, proof of training, there were barriers to getting one that validated someone was responsible. Open Carry now is simply stupid. It's how you get what happened in Houston.
I'll check it out. We do have a modern day example of the Wild West...Afghanistan.
Would you say the current way we enforce responsible gun use is successful? We have some of the highest gun violence rates in the world. Making guns more ubiquitous in society then they already are is going the wrong direction. I'm simply proposing an idea to push people to put their money where their gun is should they carry the gun outside their home.
No, everyone cannot carry a gun. There are numerous restrictions. In fact, what happened in Houston was committed by individual(s) breaking the open carry law. Those dang Bikers are like you, they didn't read or know the law. I'm sure those thugs would have followed the law if they read it.
I became a karate instructor based on "Karate Kid" and then an airline pilot based on "Airplane!".
Those weren't true?
Those weren't true?
The last time I heard, it was about 1/3 of all drivers on the road, which is a crazy figure. You can avoid the cost of that by rejecting UM/UIM, but that's asking for trouble.
You may be right about Chicago, not sure. I'm in the burbs. I know a few people who carry, but it is not open carry, that is correct.
Probably higher stolen vehicles too.
And frankly, it surprises me that states allow drivers to drive with as little insurance as they do. $30K/$60K is nothing. (And Texas has higher limits than most states.) One ER visit to Brackenridge Hospital (where they CT scan auto accident victims until they glow in the dark), and you can get damn close to maxing out the policy limits. In Germany, every driver has about €7 million (about $9 million) per occurrence. Even in Portugal it was about €6 million. You simply aren't allowed to screw an auto accident victim by having too little coverage.
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Monahorns
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I don't know that we don't enforce gun laws well or not. My sense is they are enforced. Gun violence is high in the US, but there isn't a correlation of legal gun ownership rate or open gun laws to gun violence.
Monahorns
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They are guilty of thinking 1 or 2 levels down into a subject. For every issue there is a bedrock level. If you don't go down to the lowest level of knowledge you won't get the issue right.
True Understanding In Lower Levels Of Knowledge
It'll possibly come. Should the man who fatally shot 9-year-old Arlene Alvarez face murder charges? A jury will decide.
I would like for it to be much closer to those levels, but best of luck getting elected under the "I want to increase your car insurance costs" platform. No way insurance companies are going to require it to be $9 million!
Duck Dodgers
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Texas has had open carry since 2016. If it hasn't happened yet - don't think it will.
Duck Dodgers
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And back on topic to Breyer's retirement - I remember now!
It was Ketanji Brown Jackson who finger ****** my *** hole (FFMAO) circa 1988, at some party.
Can't remember when exactly, or where. But I still remember her laughing when she FFMAO, and I'll make Credible Accusations about it.
I'm ready to testify about it, but can't fly as I'm still terrified of being enclosed in small places like a plane, plus my frequent flier miles are down to Silver Status so I don't get free checked bags anymore.
Believe all victims of FFMAO!
It was Ketanji Brown Jackson who finger ****** my *** hole (FFMAO) circa 1988, at some party.
Can't remember when exactly, or where. But I still remember her laughing when she FFMAO, and I'll make Credible Accusations about it.
I'm ready to testify about it, but can't fly as I'm still terrified of being enclosed in small places like a plane, plus my frequent flier miles are down to Silver Status so I don't get free checked bags anymore.
Believe all victims of FFMAO!
You had me going until this comment. She wouldn't be laughing or smiling in any sense. She'd be grimacing and holding her nose with her other hand. If you had gone with that story, then I'd totally believe it.
That amount is an ambulance chaser's pipe dream.
In Europe damage awards are much less. For example, this family got €19,000 for wrongful death of a child against an amusement park with pretty clear liability that got the operator criminally changed. A US court would have easily given them 100x that. The point is that to actually make that policy limit a serious issue, you'd need a pretty horrific incident that harmed a lot of people.
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