Beto Does it Again

mb227 said:
Except that the reality is that very few pregnancies are the product of rape.

The left loves to rail on and on about how this is an issue but has a conniption when a Legislature proposes placing a requirement for a law enforcement report to have been filed if someone is going to assert rape or incest as the source of the pregnancy. The 'rape' basis for abortion is a variation on the boy who cried wolf...it is on par with Big Foot. It might exist, but not with any degree of frequency.

Further, when someone has been raped, they will generally take all available steps to very quickly confirm whether they were impregnated. Six weeks gives more than enough time for them to have done so...
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While true that very few pregnancies are the product of rape, it's still a scary thought that can end up with a rest-of-life event for a woman. Me dying now is a scary low probability scenario, but it is damaging enough that I have life insurance to help my wife pay for our kids throughout their rest of their lives as minors. Don't take this as an endorsement for abortion on rape because it isn't, but I can see how it can cause women to vote for the candidate saying abortion in rape cases ought to be legal.

Chop said:
Rape-related pregnancy: estimates and descriptive characteristics from a national sample of women - PubMed

I don't have all the answers on what to do about it--especially wrt cases of rape or incest. I don't like abortion. That being said, here are some sobering facts from a published study:

"Results: The national rape-related pregnancy rate is 5.0% per rape among victims of reproductive age (aged 12 to 45); among adult women an estimated 32,101 pregnancies result from rape each year. Among 34 cases of rape-related pregnancy, the majority occurred among adolescents and resulted from assault by a known, often related perpetrator. Only 11.7% of these victims received immediate medical attention after the assault, and 47.1% received no medical attention related to the rape. A total 32.4% of these victims did not discover they were pregnant until they had already entered the second trimester; 32.2% opted to keep the infant whereas 50% underwent abortion and 5.9% placed the infant for adoption; an additional 11.8% had spontaneous abortion.

Conclusions: Rape-related pregnancy occurs with significant frequency. It is a cause of many unwanted pregnancies and is closely linked with family and domestic violence. "
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Is PudMed smoking crack? 5% rate is significant frequency??? We really gotta start cutting dicks off dudes who rape.

I am pretty shocked to read 50% aborted and 6% put up for adoption. I would have guessed both to be much higher.
 
guy4321 said:
I am pretty shocked to read 50% aborted and 6% put up for adoption. I would have guessed both to be much higher.
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Most (if not all) rape victims known their rapist. While the sex may be have been forced, that doesn’t necessarily mean the mother wants to abort the child. How much “force” is required for sex to be considered rape? How much of this is statutory rape and not real rape? If there is ambiguity, bet that Dems use it to obfuscate the point and use it against you.
 
guy4321 said:
While true that very few pregnancies are the product of rape, it's still a scary thought that can end up with a rest-of-life event for a woman. Me dying now is a scary low probability scenario, but it is damaging enough that I have life insurance to help my wife pay for our kids throughout their rest of their lives as minors. Don't take this as an endorsement for abortion on rape because it isn't, but I can see how it can cause women to vote for the candidate saying abortion in rape cases ought to be legal.
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Anyone voting based on a minuscule number of cases is no different than the idiots who just vote based on a letter or who invent a claim of bullying to justify opposing a candidate.

The numbers just aren't there. And while I don't support the notion that someone should have to carry a rape baby, it is NOT the determining factor on who I vote for. I have no qualms with the TxLege putting in a rape exception PROVIDED that it carries a requirement to file charges against the person they claim raped the impregnated female. If you are going to scream rape, then you should be demanding your attacker rot under a prison somewhere...
 
mchammer said:
Most (if not all) rape victims known their rapist. While the sex may be have been forced, that doesn’t necessarily mean the mother wants to abort the child. How much “force” is required for sex to be considered rape? How much of this is statutory rape and not real rape? If there is ambiguity, bet that Dems use it to obfuscate the point and use it against you.
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I'd think the Dem argument would be stronger if the abortion rate was higher.
 
Sangre Naranjada said:
Hard to put a lot of stock in the rape statistics provided by Chop when reporting is so spotty, and numbers are often estimated by the people aggregating the statistics.

Not to mention issues with precisely defining the act vs using a broad definition, etc.
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They're from the National Library of Medicine.
 
guy4321 said:
Don't take this as an endorsement for abortion on rape because it isn't, but I can see how it can cause women to vote for the candidate saying abortion in rape cases ought to be legal.
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That sums up about how I feel about it too. I don't have all the answers, but that is a complex moral, ethical, genetic, and personal situation.
 
These are Beto's strongest avenues of attack:

1. Extremely restrictive abortion laws - no exceptions for rape or incest;
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2. Incompetence with regard to the electric grid.

On these, Beto probably carries a majority, if not a solid majority, of the voters. On 8 of the 10 other main issues, Abbott probably carries a majority, if not a solid majority, of the voters.

Remember, this tool nearly took Ted Cruz down. He's only a touchdown back, and it's still early in the 4th quarter of the campaign.
 
Chop said:
These are Beto's strongest avenues of attack:

1. Extremely restrictive abortion laws - no exceptions for rape or incest;
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2. Incompetence with regard to the electric grid.

On these, Beto probably carries a majority, if not a solid majority, of the voters. On 8 of the 10 other main issues, Abbott probably carries a majority, if not a solid majority, of the voters.

Remember, this tool nearly took Ted Cruz down. He's only a touchdown back, and it's still early in the 4th quarter of the campaign.
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Meh. He gets nowhere with the grid. After all, we survived a summer without issue and never reached a point where we had to tell people not to plug their car in to charge it (like California did).

For the very significant number of voters, abortion restrictions just don't carry the day. Too many recognize that abortion has been used as birth control and find that unacceptable.

The reality is voters are more concerned with the crime issues which the left refuses to address, the economic realities that the left refuses to address, and the border issues that the left would prefer never made it to the mainstream media. Meanwhile BobFrank subscribes and endorses in their totality the lunacy OF the left.
 
Chop said:
These are Beto's strongest avenues of attack:

1. Extremely restrictive abortion laws - no exceptions for rape or incest;
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2. Incompetence with regard to the electric grid.

On these, Beto probably carries a majority, if not a solid majority, of the voters. On 8 of the 10 other main issues, Abbott probably carries a majority, if not a solid majority, of the voters.

Remember, this tool nearly took Ted Cruz down. He's only a touchdown back, and it's still early in the 4th quarter of the campaign.
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Beto is doing this because that is the only thing that he has. It doesn’t mean it’s working or will work come Election Day.
 
mchammer said:
Beto is doing this because that is the only thing that he has. It doesn’t mean it’s working or will work come Election Day.
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Abbott is still up by a touchdown fairly late in the game, but I wouldn’t start playing The Eyes just yet.
 
Chop said:
They're from the National Library of Medicine.
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I'm not saying the National Library of Medicine is a garbage source, like the National Enquirer or worse, the New York Times. I'm saying gathering the real data on rape is beyond daunting, for multiple reasons.
 
The grid line of attack sounds like a leftover from Beta Male's one and only chance of winning - if Texas had another round of multi-day power outages like Feb of 2021. We didn't, and his chances of winning were flushed at that point.

Here in Houston, we had a few days where I heard the power guys were asking people to turn the temperature up to save on power during peak times. Never had any outages around here that I know about. Anyone else have issues?

If not, it's a laugh to try to get people fired up about the power system when it didn't fail. "Mr. Voter, you should really care about this thing that didn't fail and didn't cause you any problems and is highly technical and detailed, but it could have failed!"

I'm still hoping for Abortion Barbie-like blowout numbers for Beta Male. Between him, President of Earth and ultrasound expert S Adams, and Tan Man C Christ, the Democrat party is hooked on running retreaded losers this cycle.
 
mb227 said:
Meh. He gets nowhere with the grid. After all, we survived a summer without issue and never reached a point where we had to tell people not to plug their car in to charge it (like California did).
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Agree on the grid as it survived an extremely hot summer.
 
That blasted Abbott needs to stop messing up the weather.

At least Abbott made the hurricane hit Florida instead of Galveston or Corpus.
 
Chop said:
Wonder why people aren't congratulating Abbott then...? He was heavily criticized during the "Snowmeggedon" winter storm.
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Perhaps because congratulations should not be the new participation trophy when something functions as it is designed to function.
 
Chop said:
Wonder why people aren't congratulating Abbott then...? He was heavily criticized during the "Snowmeggedon" winter storm.
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I'm going say congratulations at the ballot box.

Not all of us walk up n down streets carrying signs saying hooray for our side.

Abbott wins easily as he deserves
 
Agree mb But after all the unwarranted criticism maybe an acknowledgement Biden et al did make needed changes
Not to mention surviving an historic and long heat wave with no breakdowns
 
the polling numbers have had Abbott hovering a bit below 50% for a long time. That means he had to make up maybe a point; Beto would have to make up around 10 points out of the dozen or so undecided. Was never going to happen unless Abbott personally shot up a school or was caught performing abortions in the Governor's Mansion. This race was never close. Wishful thinking on behalf of the self deluded and the press wanting to make a horse race out of it kept it sort of newsy for a while.
 
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(yes, the person in the sheep costume is Beto)
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Sangre Naranjada said:
First question:
Why does Texas Monthly get to define what questions need to be asked?
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When Texas Monthly isn't publishing their Pay to Play "rankings" of various restaurants, they put out the opinions of the few remaining leftists in this state. They should change their name to Texas Democrat and at least be accurate there.
 
mchammer said:
Abbott is -1 to Beto in new poll ………



















Among Hispanic voters
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Abbots always done well with the Latin X's. I think his wife is from a Tejano family, and that helps, plus many Hispanics in this state are from familes that have been here for 100's of years.

Far different voting patterns than the Honduran that ran across the border last week, and is given a vote-by-mail- fraud ballot along with the (voluntary) request to appear at an immigration hearing in 2-5 years.
 
Another catchy sound-bite from the Beto camp, based on Abbott's words at the debate:
(at least tens of thousands of folks, maybe hundreds of thousands, cannot see through this sort of thing...)


 
I see someone named Dan K. Stanley will move his family out of Texas if Abbott wins.
We've heard that before.
 
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