America is lost...

[4th_floor]

We paid ours off just recently. I just got one out of college, another in college, and a high school junior.

I look at loan forgiveness like Gods grace. I personally can’t get on board with understanding how God can forgive some sins. But, His grace is between He and I and it is not my place to question His issuance of grace to other sinners.

Bad comparison.
Jesus sacrificed to earn grace for us.
Student loan forgiveness is taking money from taxpayers and giving it to snowflakes with no sacrifice by the borrower or the government. It's more like a Robin Hood robbery. But government robbing hood takes mostly from the poor and middle class.

 

[bystander]

My son is graduating in a few days from undergrad. I paid the whole thing. I managed my lifestyle and spending habits to ensure it would happen. Same think coming up as my daughter is on deck.

I'm big on not being a burden to society. Neither my children. It's hard to see people whining so much about it all and yes, it will come from our paychecks if these debts are wiped clean.

 

[Monahorns]

Bad comparison.
Jesus sacrificed to earn grace for us.
Student loan forgiveness is taking money from taxpayers and giving it to snowflakes with no sacrifice by the borrower or the government. It's more like a Robin Hood robbery. But government robbing hood takes mostly from the poor and middle class.

The proper comparison to Jesus would be Bill Gates and other super rich people paying for everyone's college education from now on and all student loan debt outstanding.

 

[bystander]

Jesus said render unto Caesar etc... if Caesar pays us instead (with our own money), it's not Jesus concern because he is not of this kingdom.

 

[OUBubba]

I thought you guys would enjoy that analogy.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I thought you guys would enjoy that analogy.

Honestly, I have less of a problem with student loan forgiveness than most on the Right - not because the merits against it are BS but because college tuition and student loans have been such a government-enabled racket over the last 25 years that it somewhat makes sense that the government should basically pay damages to those it helped scam. My biggest problem with the forgiveness plan is that it doesn't impose a tax on universities to pay for it, which would be the fairest course of action.

 

[Chop]

Honestly, I have less of a problem with student loan forgiveness than most on the Right - not because the merits against it are BS but because college tuition and student loans have been such a government-enabled racket over the last 25 years that it somewhat makes sense that the government should basically pay damages to those it helped scam. My biggest problem with the forgiveness plan is that it doesn't impose a tax on universities to pay for it, which would be the fairest course of action.

Yeah.

You'd think with the massive year-over-year, decade-over-decade inflation for college tuition, that the professors have been living in mansions and eating lobster and cavier every meal...

 

[Mr. Deez]

Yeah.

You'd think with the massive year-over-year, decade-over-decade inflation for college tuition, that the professors have been living in mansions and eating lobster and cavier every meal...

They aren't where the money has been going. Facilities, amenities, and adminstration are where it has been going.

 

[Chop]

They aren't where the money has been going. Facilities, amenities, and adminstration are where it has been going.

I guess I'll have to start putting these in such posts again...

 

[Mr. Deez]

I guess I'll have to start putting these in such posts again...

I see, so you defend the racket. I understand.

 

[Monahorns]

Honestly, I have less of a problem with student loan forgiveness than most on the Right - not because the merits against it are BS but because college tuition and student loans have been such a government-enabled racket over the last 25 years that it somewhat makes sense that the government should basically pay damages to those it helped scam. My biggest problem with the forgiveness plan is that it doesn't impose a tax on universities to pay for it, which would be the fairest course of action.

The problem is that is just continues the inflation. If students get their debt forgiven, then the next generation will expect the same thing. Student loans aren't going away based on any talk I have heard of. Also, the government isn't talking about ending subsidies for loans and their involvement. So the racket would just keep going on and on. This will further hurt poor/working class and enrich mostly those who end up in a higher social class.

The pain of paying back the student loan is the only thing causing people to ask questions about the corrupt system. Best thing is to let this issue ride along and then people have incentive to make better decisions. Until people make better decisions the system will just get worse.

I would rather reward savers, wise thinkers, actually valuable degrees, etc.

Most of these bad loans are going to graduate students in cultural Marxist influenced subjects and then end up in journalism or social action organizations. I would rather they don't get rewarded.

 

[Horn6721]

this "I would rather reward savers, wise thinkers, actually valuable degrees, etc.
Where is the fairness for those who worked their butts off to pay it back?
Do we IN FAIRNESS reimburse them?

 

[Mr. Deez]

The problem is that is just continues the inflation. If students get their debt forgiven, then the next generation will expect the same thing. Student loans aren't going away based on any talk I have heard of. Also, the government isn't talking about ending subsidies for loans and their involvement. So the racket would just keep going on and on. This will further hurt poor/working class and enrich mostly those who end up in a higher social class.

The pain of paying back the student loan is the only thing causing people to ask questions about the corrupt system. Best thing is to let this issue ride along and then people have incentive to make better decisions. Until people make better decisions the system will just get worse.

I would rather reward savers, wise thinkers, actually valuable degrees, etc.

Most of these bad loans are going to graduate students in cultural Marxist influenced subjects and then end up in journalism or social action organizations. I would rather they don't get rewarded.

I get all that. Like I said, the arguments against debt forgiveness aren't BS.

 

[bystander]

Honestly, I have less of a problem with student loan forgiveness than most on the Right - not because the merits against it are BS but because college tuition and student loans have been such a government-enabled racket over the last 25 years that it somewhat makes sense that the government should basically pay damages to those it helped scam. My biggest problem with the forgiveness plan is that it doesn't impose a tax on universities to pay for it, which would be the fairest course of action.

Next round:

'The bankruptcy system is broken' for student loan borrowers, and Democrats are proposing a reform bill

I think a tax on University's will just be passed on to the students.

Why know when Democrats have you in their line of sight that they will attack mercilessly. I'm not hearing them attacking Universities like they attack Republicans.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I think a tax on University's will just be passed on to the students.

If we rein in the student loan program, they won't be able to.

 

[Monahorns]

Deez, what would be a good way to rein it in? End subsidies?

 

[theiioftx]

Universities are thieves. End them all and go to trade schools that teach people how to get livable jobs based on their skills. The 30 hours of accounting I got at UT could have gone much quicker. Not sure how “History of Rock n Roll” or “Astronomy the Search for ET” has benefited anyone.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Deez, what would be a good way to rein it in? End subsidies?

There are a few things. First, simply cut the amount of the loans that can be used for tuition and fees (and perhaps cut the gross amount that's available). You can have different amounts for public and private schools. Second, require the universities to accept that amount as full and final payment. Third, the government should impose a tax on universities and their endowments that reimburses the government for student loan defaults or loan forgiveness. Basically make the student loan mess their problem rather than the public's.

But ideally, we'd just dump the student loan program altogether and let the market develop a student loan industry that considers things such as majors in determining what it'll loan and interest rates. Loans for mechanical engineering degrees are much less risky then loans for degrees in the history of Uzbekistani lesbian art.

 

[Run Pincher]

There are a few things. First, simply cut the amount of the loans that can be used for tuition and fees (and perhaps cut the gross amount that's available). You can have different amounts for public and private schools. Second, require the universities to accept that amount as full and final payment. Third, the government should impose a tax on universities and their endowments that reimburses the government for student loan defaults or loan forgiveness. Basically make the student loan mess their problem rather than the public's.

But ideally, we'd just dump the student loan program altogether and let the market develop a student loan industry that considers things such as majors in determining what it'll loan and interest rates. Loans for mechanical engineering degrees are much less risky then loans for degrees in the history of Uzbekistani lesbian art.

Hey now those Uzbekistani lesbians are going to be pissed at you. Get ready to defend yourself against civil rights violations.

 

[bystander]

I have to admit, this makes me sick. My son's college education is paid for completely. We owe not one dime. Yesterday was his last final. We should feel good about the personal sacrifices we made.

Instead I feel like a fool.

Let's be very clear here; Liberalism is the enemy of effort, personal responsibility, incentive and personal pride. I can't stand these people.

Seriously.

‘You don't need Congress’: Biden increasingly pressured to unilaterally forgive up to $50,000 student debt

1) Reparations
2) Open borders
3) Cancelling student debt
4) "Tax the rich" (AOC)
5) Modern Monetary Theory

This doesn't even touch the despicable white privilege campaign or Biden picking an affirmative action cabinet to run our country.

This is what you voted for @Seattle Husker and @OUBubba. I know you guys are smart but what Liberals are doing is absolutely sick.

 

[bystander]

this "I would rather reward savers, wise thinkers, actually valuable degrees, etc.
Where is the fairness for those who worked their butts off to pay it back?
Do we IN FAIRNESS reimburse them?

They literally don't care. Liberalism is all agenda driven. If one white person objects then they destroy you with accusations of racism and white privilege.

 

[HornHuskerDad]

Liberalism is the enemy of effort, personal responsibility, incentive and personal pride.

Winner!

 

[Joe Fan]

Lawless scumbags:
Schumer: Biden ‘Considering’ Forgiving $50,000 in Student Loan Debt via Executive Action

 

[bystander]

More elitist "we know better" totalitarianism...

Melinda Gates: It's time to have some good regulation on social media platforms

 

[horninchicago]

More elitist "we know better" totalitarianism...

Melinda Gates: It's time to have some good regulation on social media platforms

No, remember, someone posted elsewhere that we should listen to people like her and her evil husband because they are brilliant and read books.

 

[Horn6721]

First she said Trump could not get vaccine this year.
Now she is upset Trump will get it to milions if Americans

 

[bystander]

No, remember, someone posted elsewhere that we should listen to people like her and her evil husband because they are brilliant and read books.

The number of people willing to trust an all powerful central government is stunning to me.

I read somewhere once that the real problem with the old Soviet Union was the bureaucracy. Whether because of fear, personal hang-ups or being a true believer, they were the true oppressors of the people.

Before PCness became the cancer that it has become, we all knew that government employees were problematic. Now they have been infused with power and idealism that gives them purpose; and that purpose will be wielded against each of us because the true army of totalitarianism and socialism is not the political charlatans, but the brain-washed masses they control.

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Mr. Deez]

I have to admit, this makes me sick. My son's college education is paid for completely. We owe not one dime. Yesterday was his last final. We should feel good about the personal sacrifices we made.

Instead I feel like a fool.

Let's be very clear here; Liberalism is the enemy of effort, personal responsibility, incentive and personal pride. I can't stand these people.

Seriously.

‘You don't need Congress’: Biden increasingly pressured to unilaterally forgive up to $50,000 student debt

1) Reparations
2) Open borders
3) Cancelling student debt
4) "Tax the rich" (AOC)
5) Modern Monetary Theory

This doesn't even touch the despicable white privilege campaign or Biden picking an affirmative action cabinet to run our country.

This is what you voted for @Seattle Husker and @OUBubba. I know you guys are smart but what Liberals are doing is absolutely sick.

This is a post that normally would have gotten about 10 "likes" or "agrees." It has only one. Why? Because you said Switzer was smart.

 

[bystander]

This is a post that normally would have gotten about 10 "likes" or "agrees." It has only one. Why? Because you said Switzer was smart.

Well, you know, I do think they have functioning brains. I just see different priorities on their side.

The list I made represents something so overwhelming that it's too easy to dismiss. I think they've been sucked into that blind-spot; deliberate or real...