AM as a national 'powerhouse'

It never has been either. They are mediocre at best and consistently so. They have good seasons here and there but nothing of consistency without being punished by the NCAA. They just don't accept their role in all of this. But that does not matter, they do not matter. The rest of the country knows their place and their role.
 
The MNC?

I mean, it is just one title. One meager title. A meager title in this century...to go along with a few others since their supposed one.
 
This reminds me of the old SEC "dominance" arguments.

If your team isn't that great, just find another way to say that someone else's team isn't that great either, usually using good college programs as your barometer.

So here's the deal, Ag. Your program just isn't very good. It's not very good reputation-wise (see recent stories about college footballs' dirtiest programs), it isn't very good on the field, and it really isn't all that great historically.

You use "OU, tOSU, and USC" because you cannot use your own team in any sort of argument about college football's best programs. If you want to say that we are not one of college football's top 5 programs, I might not argue too much. There are good arguments on either side of that, but no one in their right mind would have us out of their top 10. Where is A&M?

Compared to us, you suck. I am 100% sure that the fans of the schools you are using in your example would agree with that assertion. Congrats on your wins over us the past two years. Really, thats all you've got.
 
Apologies, this is being done on a blackberry. First my cheap shot: "Whether you want to believe it or not, A&M is on the cusp of breaking out.". Ya'll have been on the cusp of "breaking out" as long as I can remember. Second, four national championships means absolutely nothing.. You're right Bob-O. Third, if memory serves, we have the best record of the last ten years (if you are going to say anything about "winning the big game" here, reference your own post on one game away aggies). Lastly, where does all this talent come from? I mean if we weren't an elite program, wouldn't these kids go else where? In my mind that's the clincher. Apparently they believe they've got a Better chance to win at Texas than other places. Listen Bobarino, I have an aggie cousin and generally like ya'll.. But ya'll talk too much.
 
Humorous thread. You guys do realize that you are trying to reason with an Aggie. Never an easy thing to do.

But, I did just want to echo rhorn27 comments. It is fair to say (with respect to football) that both OU and Texas have been the most dominant over the rest of the Big XII. However, OU has for the most part dominated Texas.

And painfully, even in the years when we managed to beat OU, we found some other way of screwing ourselves out of the conference title (e.g. losing to Tech that one year, losing to CU in the championship, and losing to KSU+A&M in '06). Note, I didn't count the year we lost to Neb in the championship b/c I felt they were actually the better team despite us beating them in the regular season.
 
How many NCAA Division I championships has your school won?

* Through spring 2007
* Schools not listed have not won any NCAA championships.
* The NCAA does not conduct a championship for the Division I Football Bowl Subdivision (Division I FBS - formerly Division I-A). Instead, these teams participate in a national championship system developed by the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) organization.
o Past Division I Football Bowl Subdivision (Division I FBS) national champions.
* Coed championships include rifle; skiing; and since 1990, fencing.
* Each school involved in a tie is credited with one championship.
* The boxing championships were discontinued after the 1960 championships.
* * Division II school competing in a Division I,II or Division I, II, III national collegiate championship.
* ** Division III school competing in a Division I,II,III national collegiate championship.





Texas

Total NCAA Team Championships: 39
men's championships: 17
women's championships: 22
coed championships: 0

Breakdown by Sport:
men's baseball: 6
women's basketball: 1
women's cross country: 1
men's golf: 2
men's swimming & diving: 9
women's swimming & diving: 7
women's tennis: 2
women's indoor track & field: 6
women's outdoor track & field: 4
women's volleyball: 1




Texas A&M

Total NCAA Team Championships: 2
men's championships: 0
women's championships: 2
coed championships: 0

Breakdown by Sport:
women's softball: 2
 
I'm sure Bob the ag can spin the above sports records into an "A&M is better than UT because of the women's softball stats" claim. No doubt he is working on his killer post this very minute. We are all eagerly awaiting the lesson in selective reasoning...come on Bob!
 
ravenhand,

Good stats, have been posted on this BBS recently.

I would add, it's not just winning the final game of the season (national title), it's being in the mix in most if not all sports year in and year out.

A few years ago Dodds pointed out that of the men's and women's sports in which Texas competed in (for at least the year he was commenting on), Texas' teams were ALL in their respective top-25 rankings at least once during their seasons.

Wow.

Regarding the Big Three, football (FB), baseball (BB), men's basketball (MBB), as has been noted:

FB, well, okay, only 4 (or 3-1/2, however you want to look at 1970) national titles, but over Texas' FB history, scores of conference titles, third highest overall W/L percentage (ND, Meatchicken, Texas), a couple of Heismans, and in the last 10 years one MNC and the best W/L percentage of the major programs.

BB, well USC's Rod Dedeaux phenomenal national title run (similar to UCLA's basketball Wooden's dominance) puts them on top nationally, but Texas is certainly no less than the second best college baseball program of all time. Second most national titles, more regional appearances and world series appearances than even USC. One of the greatest pitchers of all-time, at least by Cy Young's, wins, strikeouts, etc., wasn't even a starter on the Texas national championship team that he was on.

MBB, the weakest of the Big Three, but starting with Abe Lemons, forget Weltlich, continuing with Penders, and now with Barnes, particularly with Barnes over about the last 10 years, Texas is now annually a minimal top-25 team, one Final Four losing to the eventual title winner, a number of Elite Eights and Sweet Sixteens, two recent national players of the year awards.

We're not talking about..."look out, we're gonna be good....."

We're talking about been there, done that.

Hook 'em
 
I'm about 99% sure there was a point in time back in 2002 in which the most recent AP polls for football, baseball, softball, men's basketball, and women's basketball all had Texas in the top 5. If I have some more time after I get off work tonight I'll go look it up to make sure.
 
Aggy Bob forgot he had an appointment to get his septic tank pumped...Either that or he's trying to find pictues of that 1939 NC team...
 
I'll be your huckleberry.

The three things that have always been expected from our football team since 1959 is (in order of importance):
1. Win the conference championship
2. Beat Oklahoma
3. Beat A&M

In the last 10 years, we've done all 3 in the same year once. Seriously, ONCE. I'll let y'all remind me how we've done in the last 2 years AVY (after VY). Please don't tell me about 1969, I was there. I'm talking about now, and we're not elite. We are a top 20 program and no better. We're not a top 5 and we won't get close to sniffing that this year either.

Secondly, we're about 50/50 with A&M in men's basketball. We do own em in baseball. But, the Ags own us in every women's sport there is and the gap is widening.

A&M is not an elite program either. They are far from it in football. Other than football, they have elevated their entire athletic program to a respected level. You have to give them that, they made some good hires.

But as to what really matters, I say see the first paragraph above.
 
Well we all must be wrong if Mr. Hollisdude says so...Since he was there in 1969...Thank god you don't go on recruiting visits...

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Hollis... Hollis... Hollis...

Top 20? Let's look at Mack's record at Texas. How many times has Texas finished out of the top 15 since Mack has been here?... That would be .. uh.. once... and that year did not begin with the letter "2."

Care to throw out 19 teams that have been consistently better than Texas since 2000?...Number of wins? Number of bowl wins? National championships?

Is Texas top 5 this year? Probably not.. we're building something special for next year and the years after. And, at the end of the year, I bet we are closer to top 5, than dropping out of the top 20.

As for aggy in basketball.. first, I hate comparing anything related to Texas with aggy.. Our measuring stick is not aggy.. it's on a national scale. aggy may use "UT" as its measuring stick.. we do not return the favor. So, if you were to look at the programs on a national scale... look at aggy's non-conference schedule the last 2 years... what nationally ranked teams have they played?.. ('crikets chipping").. now look at Texas non-conference opponents.. Wisconsin.. Michigan State.. Duke.. UCLA.... Barnes will line up teams and play them. aggy has not shown a willingness to do that. Texas has more NCAA tourney wins, appearances and MVPs than aggy could ever hope for. There is no dispute that Gillespie built a good program when he was there.. we'll see if their current coach can build on that.

On a national scale and using a national measuring stick.. there is no comparison.
 
In Mike Sherman's lifetime, TAMU has finished a season in the Top 5 one time. Sherman was not quite 2 years old (polls were complete before the bowls).
 
Our final ranking in the AP since Mack has been here averages exactly 10. 10 is halfway between 1 and 20. Sometimes we're higher than 10, sometimes we're lower. We're a top twenty program in football consistently.

I would reiterate, we have won one comference championship in that time. Now y'all can spin it anyway ya wish, but if that is the definition of elite then we'll just have to disagree on the definition.

A&M has fared far far worse than us since Mack has been here. No doubt. But I'm kinda tempered by the fact that they beat our *** the last two years straight up.

Other than our NC, which now appears to be a blue moon occurrence, I get tired of second tier bowls, no trophies, and wrapping up in myth.
 
I don't know who is worse, Aggy Bob or Hollis...

I guess Aggy Bob, since, well he says he's an Aggy...or did he? My feeling is that Hollis has been this way his whole life...

Nothing is ever good enough or better.
 
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