ACA basics

ACA is just a Trojan horse to Obama's desire to redistribute wealth. You are exactly right - it does nothing to decrease cost.

The problem is that we now have a majority of "takers" who out vote the "producers." It is like a high school student council election. One candidate campaigns on improving education and the other campaigns on more recess and free candy to all students. No question who wins the election.
 
For a point of clarity, the ACA supporters never claimed it would LOWER costs. In fact, healthcare costs have been escalating out of control for over a decade. Supporters of ACA said it would limit the growth of those escalating costs. Is that true? I have no idea and am dubious of the claim but I do know that nobody claimed the ACA would actually lower costs. That's a strawman.
 
I believe the president said it would lower cost by about 2500 yearly for families. I think he said that about elevenbillionty times
 
Aggregate costs don't mean much to the family of 4 now forced into the ACA market without much of a subsidy. Their out of pocket costs may very well sky-rocket if the utilize the health care system to any significant degree.

Not only will they pay a reasonably sized premium. They will have a significant deductible and limited choices on what health care providers take their insurance.

Good luck finding doctors who take their insurance. The latest figures I've heard bantered about are reimbursement rates somewhere between medicare and medicaid. There won't be many takers for that. The higher deductible means doctors become debt collectors and will refuse the patient once they cannot or will not pay their share of the deductible. I have seen this firsthand as some employers have pushed increasing deductibles onto employees who have no concept that the $30 copay was only part of the bill they needed to pay.

Since the SCOTUS already fooked us with the mandatory "tax', there really should have been a mandatory wage garnishment into an tax deferred HSA for people who "buy" a bronze or silver plan. You are asking a majority of people who never save to try to predict out of pocket cost for their health care. Nightmare.
 
ObamaCare Cost for The Federal Government

Obamacare's net cost is estimated to be $1.1 trillion. This number is an updated estimate by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) 2012. However, a number of factors including taxes, fees and penalties will reduce the federal deficits by $210 billion over the 2012-2021 period.

Gross additional costs of ObamaCare include $1.5 trillion for Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), as well as tax credits and other subsidies for the ObamaCare exchanges and small businesses, among other things. These costs are offset by penalty payments, health care cost cuts, new health care industry taxes, and a new excise tax on high-premium insurance plans.

If you want to know more about the cost of ObamaCare check out the CBO Budget 2013-2014 or our resources page for more official documents detailing ObamaCare's costs and how they fit into the US budget..

Not my quote. Please enlighten us on the cost savings. It is simply a redistribution of wealth.
 
" Are healthcare costs going down in this case b/c Texas will be footing that bill vs the federal government? or are the costs the same and it is just a matter of who is paying for it? "

To answer your question, costs are not going down, they are going up. In Texas and throughout the country, taxes, penalties and premiums will be rising to cover as many people as possible. Income redistribution at its finest.
 
I think you are dodging the truth. Let's try it this way. If 7,000,000 people become new customers of your pharmacy, will your drug purchases needed to care for those patients increase? Of course.

Now if you just take a healthy person who occasionally needs an antibiotic and a chronically ill patient needing monthly maintenance meds - add them together and divide by two. Yes, healthy patient cost goes up and sick patient theoretically goes down. Now you have ACA math of costs going down. However, total costs have still increased and the income redistribution must occur to pay for the increased costs. What am I missing?
 
If someone decides to not have coverage, are they covered at all? If not, then how is this ACA good for those who don't have insurance. I thought the whole purpose was that mostly everyone would have some form of coverage? If they are to pay a tax penalty later for non-coverage shouldn't they get coverage anyway?

I think what might happen is the young will figure out that the penalty is cheaper than paying for coverage. Also, why do the poor get off easy here? Why can't we penalize them for not getting coverage? We could just deduct from their tax credits they get so that way the free money they get is less. Seems like the just thing to do...oh wait I forgot they deserve this and have earned the right to free healthcare.
 
Listening to his speech. So much BS. Prices have come down. It is possible to buy insurance at the same cost as your cell phone bill. It would be nice if someone actually called him on it.
 
Uni
The part about a person payng the same as his phone bill IS true if you are low income and get an obamaphone
Now the cost of the obamacare insurance is NOT as low as a phone bill, just the part a person might pay

Guess who picks up the rest?
It is estimated that nearly 50% of the people applying for insurance will get subsidzed by US and the average subsidy is estimated to be over K

Now I see why people wanted to stop obamacare in its tracks. once someone gets subsidized to the tune of 5K on premiums Plus may also get subsidized for co pays AND deductables think they will want to give up all that?
 
Pharm
Those numbers came from the Kaiser Foundation so takew it up with them
OH BTW BO's healthcare site links to the Kaiser site;

nearly 50% will receive subsidies and the average subsidy according to Kaiser will be $5,548 which is 66% of the price

Pharm
Where will the money to cover the subsidies come from? is there a new source of revenue? Aren't we already 17 trillion in debt and going deeper every day?
Where will the money come from to pay the subsidies?
 
Good thing the website is a piece of #$%^ .

Obama searched the country and actually found one lady who was able to sign up. She said that it took her 11 days, but she hung in there and did it!

I hear Consumer Reports, which is an Obamacare supporter, is advising people to NOT sign up for "a month or so" in hopes that they'll get some of the kinks out.

But if they couldn't get it right in 3 years and $300 million, I don't know what good another month will do.
 
Pharm
I believe I had made clear these are Kaiser estimates
and this from your link
"An estimated 48% of people who currently have individual market coverage will be eligible for tax credits, the analysis finds. Tax credits among those eligible will average $5,548 per family, and subsidies will average $2,672 across all families now purchasing their own insurance?

do you deny that?
one more thing
You are incorrect or incomplete in how you explain how the tax subsidies will be handled.
The insurer will pay to whichever provider is chosen whatever small amount they are supposed to pay
WE, Pharm, WE will pay the insurance company, the rest every single month
so if we are subsidizing the average, according to Kaiser for individuals buying private insurance WE Pharm will be sending the companies approx $462 every month for every one of the 48% who are getting subsidized. Or $222 each month for the rest

So where is this money WE are sending to these insurance companies going to come from?
 
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