2020 Recruiting - Football

Joe Fan said:
Appears official now
I admit I am a little surprised given so much of the commentary about him centered around him wanting to be close to one of his parents who has had some health concerns
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Some are suggesting maybe the Mormons stepped up with medical cost help. They do help each other out, this much I know for sure. But I dont know if this is true about Jordan. I did look it up and google says 40% of that school is Mormon.
 
I would like to see Texas go get some big brutes from up North for our OL instead of just Texas kids.... States like Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc seem to have great OL year in and year out who end up in the NFL. Schools from the North always raid the South for skill guys, so we should raid their territory for the bad-*** OL they produce.
 
Joe Fan said:
Some are suggesting maybe the Mormons stepped up with medical cost help. They do help each other out, this much I know for sure. But I dont know if this is true about Jordan. I did look it up and google says 40% of that school is Mormon.
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Is that not impermissible benefits according to the NCAA? Maybe they just did it out of the kindness of their hearts? Right.
 
JF, Bradford seems to have a higher grade, and ceiling. Was it just the style we preferred Jordon?
We sure missed a Tre Watson type in the offense this year.
 
Re: Jordan / Bradford

They appear to me to be different sorts of players.

Jordan = Lightning quick "scat back." Will probably line up at WR and RB and be put in motion frequently. Also a possible return man. An APB/ATH play maker.

Bradford = Bigger and stronger than Jordan. An "every down back." A straight-up RB in college. Your normal RB: not a power back, but not a scat back either.

While I really wanted Jordan, as this season has shown, you can never have too many good "every down" backs.
 
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Joe Fan said:
Some are suggesting maybe the Mormons stepped up with medical cost help. They do help each other out, this much I know for sure. But I dont know if this is true about Jordan. I did look it up and google says 40% of that school is Mormon.
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There is one giant hole in this theory. Mormons are notorious for being the biggest tightwads on the planet. They give their money to their church and keep the rest. I'm pretty sure that if any extra monetary benefits came in the recruitment, it didn't come from the Mormons.
 
U of Utah is not
Joe Fan said:
Some are suggesting maybe the Mormons stepped up with medical cost help. They do help each other out, this much I know for sure. But I dont know if this is true about Jordan. I did look it up and google says 40% of that school is Mormon.
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Mormons make up 36% of the U of Utah student body. Utah State student body is 80% Mormon while BYU is almost 100%. only 450 students out of 30,000 are not Mormon.

If you were looking for Mormon support with medical help, University of Utah would not be where you would go.
 
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If you are looking for medical help, the entire state of Utah is not where you want to go. Quality of healthcare is not the best in that state.
 
SabreHorn said:
If you are looking for medical help, the entire state of Utah is not where you want to go. Quality of healthcare is not the best in that state.
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What I was thinking. I guess when a non-starter twice redshirted player is your big influencer, things are in reality a little murky for you.
 
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Austin_Bill said:
There is one giant hole in this theory. Mormons are notorious for being the biggest tightwads on the planet. They give their money to their church and keep the rest. I'm pretty sure that if any extra monetary benefits came in the recruitment, it didn't come from the Mormons.
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I have personally witnessed them do it, at least with their own members. I got the impression in talking to them that they did it with some regularity. The guys I knew were executives/engineers at Nucor. There were strings attached, for example, you had to attend church-related functions on a regular basis, stuff like that. But they were generous, with both time and money.

Ive also spent time in Utah (tried a bunch of cases there, often with a mormon along) and Idaho (friends - I do love that state). So Ive seen the poverty many of those members lived in, which I guess is what you are referring -- big families, big tithes, poor living conditions. Seemed to be all over the rural areas of those two states, plus Wyoming. But Ive also seen the generous side. Like much of life, its a more complicated story that the simple way you lay it out.
 
Austin_Bill said:
I can't comment on him coming back until I see who the DC is going to be. I can say that the two biggest deficiencies was a true DE that can get to the QB. Right now I'm really hoping we can convince Collins to come to Texas, but it's not looking good. The other is more linebackers. I'm less concerned about DBs because they will improve as our pass rush improves.




Bijan is a potential Heisman candidate. I have cooled a bit on Ringo, yes, he could be a game changer like Stingly was for LSU, but he also might take time to get to know the system like Cook. Yes we still need him and yes, he is still the most complete DB I've seen on the high school level in years. But I also can't get my hopes up.



Bijan is Jamal Charles 2.0, or Reggie Bush 2.0, I haven't decided yet. He is by far the best back we recruited since Charles.



There are three programs you have to be careful of the running backs coming out of those programs it's Katy, Allen, and Aledo. All three of those programs are so well coached and have so much talent that guys coming out look much better than they really are or they have already peaked.

Bijan does not fit in those categories. You will know more about him in the all star game.
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I can’t disagree with anything you said.
I know it’s like talking about your kids, talking about and comparing recruits. Bijan is a complete stud, and I’m excited about him.
But, like the NFL’s premium by position. A shut down corner is typically a much higher grade than a running back. Most teams won’t take an RB early in the draft.
On top of this thought, and given the conference we’re in, looking at Ringo’s skill set and potential I feel he’s a program changer.

Hopefully 3 years from now we will be continuing to have this debate.
New thread In June of 2022; Which recruit do you think was most instrumental in the turn around, Bijan or Ringo?
 
Joe Fan said:
I have personally witnessed them do it, at least with their own members. I got the impression in talking to them that they did it with some regularity. The guys I knew were executives/engineers at Nucor. There were strings attached, for example, you had to attend church-related functions on a regular basis, stuff like that. But they were generous, with both time and money.

Ive also spent time in Utah (tried a bunch of cases there, often with a mormon along) and Idaho (friends - I do love that state). So Ive seen the poverty many of those members lived in, which I guess is what you are referring -- big families, big tithes, poor living conditions. Seemed to be all over the rural areas of those two states, plus Wyoming. But Ive also seen the generous side. Like much of life, its a more complicated story that the simple way you lay it out.
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Hey, it's all about names in that big registry in the sky. That's why my father side of the family is so well-documented when they came to the states.
 
#2is#1 said:
I can’t disagree with anything you said.
I know it’s like talking about your kids, talking about and comparing recruits. Bijan is a complete stud, and I’m excited about him.
But, like the NFL’s premium by position. A shut down corner is typically a much higher grade than a running back. Most teams won’t take an RB early in the draft.
On top of this thought, and given the conference we’re in, looking at Ringo’s skill set and potential I feel he’s a program changer.

Hopefully 3 years from now we will be continuing to have this debate.
New thread In June of 2022; Which recruit do you think was most instrumental in the turn around, Bijan or Ringo?
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The truth is, running backs are a commodity in NFL these days. Three good years and they're done.
 
Joe Fan said:
I have personally witnessed them do it, at least with their own members. I got the impression in talking to them that they did it with some regularity. The guys I knew were executives/engineers at Nucor. There were strings attached, for example, you had to attend church-related functions on a regular basis, stuff like that. But they were generous, with both time and money.

Ive also spent time in Utah (tried a bunch of cases there, often with a mormon along) and Idaho (friends - I do love that state). So Ive seen the poverty many of those members lived in, which I guess is what you are referring -- big families, big tithes, poor living conditions. Seemed to be all over the rural areas of those two states, plus Wyoming. But Ive also seen the generous side. Like much of life, its a more complicated story that the simple way you lay it out.
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What I was referring to was the level of devotion Mormons give to their various Universities they attend. Not just referring to BYU, but Mormons everywhere. There are as many Mormons that attend Arizona State as U of Utah. Keep in mind that in Arizona, Tempe is like a Little Utah. The thing is, No matter their financial station, Mormons tend to keep their money close. They give their tithing, but that is the #1 Charity, they might support a few other like the Boy Scouts, but supporting the athletics is just not very high on their list.

Case in point, see how they don't travel when it comes to BYU football, they are again notorious for their lack of travel to follow their team. They are bolstered by the fact that they are in every city so when BYU does come, there are plenty of followers already there to cheer them on.
 
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