2018 Senate (& House)

Joe Fan said:
I think several Dems will get on board once they are convinced it will pass. There is another election on the way.
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Senate Democrat leadership did not let this happen last night on the tax bill even though they could have. IMO they should have at least released their at-risk candidates in Trump red states to vote yes
I think there are 10 Dem senators running for re-election in states Trump carried.
Yet they continue to vote against every single thing he asks for.
It is an interesting strategy for them.
Seems risky but we will see.
 
I doubt it's possible any Dem will be allowed to vote for the tax bill as long as it includes repealing the healthcare mandate.

Which in turn makes me believe it was added to not only save money, but also poison pill red state Dems from taking credit for passing tax reform.

Most likely tax reform will be viewed very positively in red states. Dems know this, but also are hell bent on protecting Obamacare. The mandate is a huge part of it. Once that gets scrapped they know it'll be torn down in full much faster.
 
Another poll out on Alabama
This one by Atlantic Media and Research
Has Moore up 8
As of this moment (9 days to go), looks like it his trending his way and that Moore is going to win

The poll has Moore with 48 percent support to Jones' 40 percent, according to weighted data. That's an improvement of 5 points since the same firm released a poll last week.

At least four polls have been released this week and all four have put Moore in the lead. The 8-point advantage, however, is his largest lead of the week.​

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/12/roy_moore_says_campaign_moment.html
 
Joe Fan said:
Another poll out on Alabama
This one by Atlantic Media and Research
Has Moore up 8
As of this moment (9 days to go), looks like it his trending his way and that Moore is going to win

The poll has Moore with 48 percent support to Jones' 40 percent, according to weighted data. That's an improvement of 5 points since the same firm released a poll last week.

At least four polls have been released this week and all four have put Moore in the lead. The 8-point advantage, however, is his largest lead of the week.​

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/12/roy_moore_says_campaign_moment.html
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Roy Moore will win the Senate seat at which point the Republicans will have to reconcile they pushed a pedaphile and liar (now documented) into office. They chose party over integrity. We knew Trump's swamp had no class but now integrity has no place either. I'm expecting this decision will have far reaching ramifications in future elections. The House in 2018...the Senate and White House in 2020?

If they are smart, the Democrats will clean house now.
 
There is another way to look at the Moore election. SH (whom I respect and he knows it) is essentially concurring with the commonly discussed political narrative - that voters in Alabama are likely to choose a "party over integrity" by electing Moore. However, there's another way to look at the situation. How did the Alabama Democratic Party get so far out of its state's political mainstream that its voters are willing to elect a probable child molester over one of their candidates? (Of course, national political commentators aren't going to ask that question, because Jones isn't outside of their political mainstream.)

Suppose that instead of nominating an abortion rights hardliner like Jones, Alabama Democrats had nominated a candidate similar to its last Democratic senator, Howell Heflin? He was a fiscal moderate and social conservative - something that used to be common among southern Democrats. If they had nominated someone like that, would Moore be favored to win this election? Unlikely.

And let's flip the scenario. Let's take a state like Rhode Island that is lopsidedly blue like Alabama is lopsidedly red. Suppose Jack Reed was up for reelection, and after he was nominated it was found out that he molested a teenage girl back in the '70s. If the Rhode Island GOP had nominated somebody like Lincoln Chafee (who was socially liberal and fiscally moderate), Reed might be in trouble. But what if they nominated somebody like Ted Cruz? Would people say Rhode Island voters were putting "party over integrity" if they reelected Reed? No. They'd say that the Cruz starter kit was so far out of Rhode Island's political mainstream that people would choose the child molester over their nominee.
 
Mr. Deez said:
There is another way to look at the Moore election. SH (whom I respect and he knows it) is essentially concurring with the commonly discussed political narrative - that voters in Alabama are likely to choose a "party over integrity" by electing Moore. However, there's another way to look at the situation. How did the Alabama Democratic Party get so far out of its state's political mainstream that its voters are willing to elect a probable child molester over one of their candidates? (Of course, national political commentators aren't going to ask that question, because Jones isn't outside of their political mainstream.)

Suppose that instead of nominating an abortion rights hardliner like Jones, Alabama Democrats had nominated a candidate similar to its last Democratic senator, Howell Heflin? He was a fiscal moderate and social conservative - something that used to be common among southern Democrats. If they had nominated someone like that, would Moore be favored to win this election? Unlikely.

And let's flip the scenario. Let's take a state like Rhode Island that is lopsidedly blue like Alabama is lopsidedly red. Suppose Jack Reed was up for reelection, and after he was nominated it was found out that he molested a teenage girl back in the '70s. If the Rhode Island GOP had nominated somebody like Lincoln Chafee (who was socially liberal and fiscally moderate), Reed might be in trouble. But what if they nominated somebody like Ted Cruz? Would people say Rhode Island voters were putting "party over integrity" if they reelected Reed? No. They'd say that the Cruz starter kit was so far out of Rhode Island's political mainstream that people would choose the child molester over their nominee.
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To be clear, I'm not advocating for a an AL Republican to vote for Doug Jones. I understand that someone disagrees with his policy stances. Voting FOR Moore is an affirmation that his behavior was acceptable. I'd say the same for a MN voter and AL Franken.
 
Yep. "Character doen't matter" and "It's only sex, it does not affect his job".

**** every one of those two faced, worthless pieces of ****.
 
Sangre Naranjada said:
Yep. "Character doen't matter" and "It's only sex, it does not affect his job".

**** every one of those two faced, worthless pieces of ****.
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Yep, fu#$ those a$%holes. So would you be voting for Moore?

This board is always a fan of memes. Found this new Republican logo.
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If you're a fan of the less subtle meme, this one's for you:
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Or this REAL sign in Alabama. Roy Moore and Jesus are equivalent? Is it the "liberals" that accused Jesus or maybe "fake news" that accused him? In reality, it was 6+ women that have accused Roy Moore so I guess "they" are the victims. A religious organization should be embarrassed for posting this sign.
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Based on the Dem's logic, why do you care who Roy Moore fucks?

Don't bother answering, you know it is simply because there is an R appended to his name.
 
Sangre Naranjada said:
Based on the Dem's logic, why do you care who Roy Moore fucks?
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I covered this with mchammer...need to draw the line somewhere and children seems to be pretty clear to me. Maybe the "R" absolves Moore's from guilt in your eyes?

Don't bother answering, you know it is simply because there is an R appended to his name.
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As someone who supports Conyers and Franken stepping down, this isn't a partisan issue to me. Maybe that's the parent in me. Find another angle.
 
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