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LonghornCatholic said:
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mchammer said:
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I've been saying this for a few years now without any proof. When all those angry liberal women protest anything they "choose the bear" or shave their heads or get another nose piercing, etc. All of that leads to less liberal breeding which is awesome! Fewer unhinged and out of control liberal kids.
 
Vol Horn 4 Life said:
I've been saying this for a few years now without any proof. When all those angry liberal women protest anything they "choose the bear" or shave their heads or get another nose piercing, etc. All of that leads to less liberal breeding which is awesome! Fewer unhinged and out of control liberal kids.
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This is why public education is so important to them. Corrupting the children of conservatives is all they have.
 
Mr. Deez said:
This is why public education is so important to them. Corrupting the children of conservatives is all they have.
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It's so confusing to me. I see supposed Christian conservative women complaining about school choice and screeching about how Abbott doesn't support public school. Like government run school is somehow Christian or conservative in any way. It is actual totalitarian socialism and through decades of conditioning and propaganda, just about every housewife in Texas thinks public school is God's school even when they push atheism, LGBT+, and allow for bullying. Of course it is mainly school teachers that say these things. They don't realize how filthy and disgusting it is to complain that the people who pay them won't have 100% control over education. School choice potentially takes money from their pocket, and they think their criticisms are based on righteousness or empathy. In reality their criticisms are based on protecting their turf like a street gang.
 
Monahorns said:
It's so confusing to me. I see supposed Christian conservative women complaining about school choice and screeching about how Abbott doesn't support public school. Like government run school is somehow Christian or conservative in any way. It is actual totalitarian socialism and through decades of conditioning and propaganda, just about every housewife in Texas thinks public school is God's school even when they push atheism, LGBT+, and allow for bullying. Of course it is mainly school teachers that say these things. They don't realize how filthy and disgusting it is to complain that the people who pay them won't have 100% control over education. School choice potentially takes money from their pocket, and they think their criticisms are based on righteousness or empathy. In reality their criticisms are based on protecting their turf like a street gang.
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That's people treating the school system like a jobs program--primarily there to provide jobs to the employees rather than primarily about providing a good education for the students.
 
Chop said:
That's people treating the school system like a jobs program--primarily there to provide jobs to the employees rather than primarily about providing a good education for the students.
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I agree, but even worse they think of it as a jobs program for THEMSELVES.
 
Monahorns said:
It's so confusing to me. I see supposed Christian conservative women complaining about school choice and screeching about how Abbott doesn't support public school. Like government run school is somehow Christian or conservative in any way. It is actual totalitarian socialism and through decades of conditioning and propaganda, just about every housewife in Texas thinks public school is God's school even when they push atheism, LGBT+, and allow for bullying. Of course it is mainly school teachers that say these things. They don't realize how filthy and disgusting it is to complain that the people who pay them won't have 100% control over education. School choice potentially takes money from their pocket, and they think their criticisms are based on righteousness or empathy. In reality their criticisms are based on protecting their turf like a street gang.
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A few things to unpack. First, many self-proclaimed Christians don't actually accept the Bible as God's word. As a good friend whose Episcopal Diocese split from the main church over similar issues told me, that's what this is really about. It's not really about LGBTQ issues. It's about submitting to the Bible, and many so-called Christians will not.

Second, believe it or not, a lot of teachers don't know how bad it really is. They don't follow politics and have no idea who Chris Rufo or Corey DeAngelis are. If they aren't in a big city or suburban school district, they may not see it. For example, until I showed her what was going on, Mrs. Deez was unaware. Why? Because she was apolitical andhad only taught in Belton, where none of the bad stuff was happening. After we got married, she moved to RRISD and saw more of it, and now she wouldn't let our kid anywhere near a public school. But she had to be shown.

Third, if you're a teacher, vouchers are hard to accept. Think about it. Vouchers aren't something you do because one or even many teachers are bad. It's something you do if there is total systemic failure from top to bottom, and of course, there is. The rot dominates academia where teachers are trained, the state education regulatory agencies (like TEA), most school boards, the curriculum writers, textbook companies, and obviously the unions. It's not going to be saved any time soon. Well, if you are part of that system, that's hard to acknowledge, and of course, you'll be ostracized if you do so publicly.
 
Mr. Deez said:
A few things to unpack. First, many self-proclaimed Christians don't actually accept the Bible as God's word. As a good friend whose Episcopal Diocese split from the main church over similar issues told me, that's what this is really about. It's not really about LGBTQ issues. It's about submitting to the Bible, and many so-called Christians will not.
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That is true in general, but I don't think that is the issue with the specific people I am observing. That is why it is more confusing. It is the best example of cognitive dissonance that I have seen.

Mr. Deez said:
Second, believe it or not, a lot of teachers don't know how bad it really is. They don't follow politics and have no idea who Chris Rufo or Corey DeAngelis are. If they aren't in a big city or suburban school district, they may not see it. For example, until I showed her what was going on, Mrs. Deez was unaware. Why? Because she was apolitical andhad only taught in Belton, where none of the bad stuff was happening. After we got married, she moved to RRISD and saw more of it, and now she wouldn't let our kid anywhere near a public school. But she had to be shown.
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I think this is the biggest factor. The people I am watching are in more rural, conservative areas. But the fact is that people in these areas need the vouchers less and therefore the law would not affect them at all. I think the teacher's unions are ginning up fear to get teachers to start griping about it.


Mr. Deez said:
Third, if you're a teacher, vouchers are hard to accept. Think about it. Vouchers aren't something you do because one or even many teachers are bad. It's something you do if there is total systemic failure from top to bottom, and of course, there is. The rot dominates academia where teachers are trained, the state education regulatory agencies (like TEA), most school boards, the curriculum writers, textbook companies, and obviously the unions. It's not going to be saved any time soon. Well, if you are part of that system, that's hard to acknowledge, and of course, you'll be ostracized if you do so publicly.
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It is hard to acknowledge and I get it. But I also think it is a huge conflict of interest to act like you are just expressing problems with a bill, when the bill could affect your salary. They don't realize it, but they are communicating that they get to demand more and more of our money gets taken by force and handed to them. The system not only helps them get paid more it protects their job stability. It is a completely naked expression of selfishness, while acting like they are the compassionate, selfless, servants of children. I get it. On some level I understand and give grace. But on another level it is sickening to me. One person I am watching is a school superintendent.
 
Monahorns said:
That is true in general, but I don't think that is the issue with the specific people I am observing. That is why it is more confusing. It is the best example of cognitive dissonance that I have seen.
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Monahorns said:
I think this is the biggest factor. The people I am watching are in more rural, conservative areas. But the fact is that people in these areas need the vouchers less and therefore the law would not affect them at all. I think the teacher's unions are ginning up fear to get teachers to start griping about it.
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If this is the case, could you educate the educators a little? Could you show them a little bit of what we see and read? And I don't mean bad teachers doing bad things. Anecdotes aren't that persuasive on this sort of thing. When I did that with the wife, she'd admit that the teacher should be disciplined or fired. To really move the needle with her, I showed her screwed up policies adopted by school districts and the DoE. I had to give her a feel for how deep the rot was.

Could you show them how much "education" spending is never reaching the classroom or even the schoolhouse?

If they truly are Bible believing Christians, this at least should make an impact.

Monahorns said:
It is hard to acknowledge and I get it. But I also think it is a huge conflict of interest to act like you are just expressing problems with a bill, when the bill could affect your salary. They don't realize it, but they are communicating that they get to demand more and more of our money gets taken by force and handed to them. The system not only helps them get paid more it protects their job stability. It is a completely naked expression of selfishness, while acting like they are the compassionate, selfless, servants of children. I get it. On some level I understand and give grace. But on another level it is sickening to me. One person I am watching is a school superintendent.
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No doubt that the ability to hide behind children taints their judgment in a big way. Some obviously know and realize the conflict of interest and are bad people. Actual teachers often don't.
 
Mr. Deez said:
If this is the case, could you educate the educators a little? Could you show them a little bit of what we see and read? And I don't mean bad teachers doing bad things. Anecdotes aren't that persuasive on this sort of thing. When I did that with the wife, she'd admit that the teacher should be disciplined or fired. To really move the needle with her, I showed her screwed up policies adopted by school districts and the DoE. I had to give her a feel for how deep the rot was.

Could you show them how much "education" spending is never reaching the classroom or even the schoolhouse?

If they truly are Bible believing Christians, this at least should make an impact.
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Yeah. I could do a little better on that. I realize I have problems with online tone, so sometimes I am slow to engage.
 
Monahorns said:
Yeah. I could do a little better on that. I realize I have problems with online tone, so sometimes I am slow to engage.
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Understandable, and of course, I understand that huge numbers of teachers are mentally unstable, liberal, white women who are very hard to talk sense to without them just freaking out. I would hope that the ones who profess Christianity will do better.
 
Mr. Deez said:
I hope we don't waste time on goofy stuff like this.

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That is exactly the kind of crap that makes the leftist media appear to be correct in their overwrought fear mongering stories of Trump as dictator.

What we need is two solid terms out of JD Vance. Those 12 years should be enough to unravel most of the damage Hussein did to our country during his three terms.
 
Sangre Naranjada said:
What we need is two solid terms out of JD Vance. Those 12 years should be enough to unravel most of the damage Hussein did to our country during his three terms.
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Sangre, I hope you're right. But there's a big question out there - how much of the damage is irreversible? It could be miniscule, or it could be significant - who knows?
 
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