Can anyone justify NOT having the Wall?

Right now we are going about resolving our illegal immigration issue in the most expensive way possible. Spending money on extra LEOs, detention centers and deportation transportation is wasteful.

The possibility of US jobs is the reason 90+% of immigrants come here. Shut that down and the border issue shrivels within months on its own. With REAL enforcement, E-Verify is the tool to do that. And once it is implemented, it has substantially more staying power than raids, detention and deportation. E-Verify keeps them from coming here and makes it financially unviable to stay.

As soon as a Dem is in the place to do so, they will stop all of the raids, they will shut down detention centers, they will stop deportations and we are right back to where we started. These are band-aids that make it look like DJT is addressing the problem but he really isn't.
 
You do realize that illegals (the good ones) pay over $10 billion in SS taxes for benefits they will never receive. They are helping keep SS alive.

About 30 years ago, we took a program to DC to help stop Medicare fraud, as well as several other types of government fraud. In the midst of our visits, I got taken aside and into a private office. "You realize that you are about to stop billions in SS revenue from people that will never receive a dime in benefits. We canNOT give up that money. All you're going to accomplish up here is getting a bloody nose from beating your head against a brick wall."
 
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You do realize that illegals (the good ones) pay over $10 billion in SS taxes for benefits they will never receive. They are helping keep SS alive.

About 30 years ago, we took a program to DC to help stop Medicare fraud, as well as several other types of government fraud. In the midst of our visits, I got taken aside and into a private office. "You realize that you are about to stop billions in SS revenue from people that will never receive a dime in benefits. We canNOT give up that money. All you're going to accomplish up here is getting a bloody nose from beating your head against a brick wall."
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I'd tell the person that's a dumb argument. In terms of education, medical care, food stamps, the EIC, and other forms of public assistance, they cost a hell of a lot more than that.

Furthermore, if the trust fund runs out of money, Congress will bail it out with general revenue. It won't let benefits get cut. It shouldn't do that, but it will, because that's the easiest short term way to protect benefits going into the next election.

SS is a Ponzi scheme and a massive ripoff of younger people. I think it should be totally restructured, but if we're too dumb to do that but DO want to preserve SS benefits, the biggest concern should be the long term solvency of the United States government. Concern for the trust fund is fine, but it should never be prioritized over the government's overall solvency. Well, if you're worried about the $10B SS revenue when keeping that revenue costs a lot more, you're strengthening the trust fund but making the government broke. That's counterproductive.
 
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