Wisconsin-Walker

Croc

The unions did spend over $20M and I guarantee not all of that money were from Wisconsin unions.

The bigger question is how can you recall a government elected employee that did nothing against the law? That is the real rub, and that is the poking the bear.

The final margin was right at 7 points.

There were bus loads of people bussed in from a neighboring state to the south, do you want to know why? In Wisconsin, you can register to vote the same day as the election. There were literally hundreds of buses that came from Chicago to Milwaukee yesterday.

I think it puts Wisconsin in play for November. I think the bigger reason for Walkers win was his policies are working and most moderates or independents thought the Recall was a bunch of ********.

The scary thing for the Democrats is the ground game of the Republicans vs. Democrats. If this happens in every battleground state in November, Democrats and Obama are in a lot of trouble.
 
Major: I didn't post anything about campaign spending on this thread. In general there can be problems when lots of outside money is spent during campaigns because too often the money gets spent on mean-spirited commercials that distort the truth. Also, the sources of the funds sometimes find their special interest put above the public interest. I honestly didn't see or hear the Wisconsin Campaign commercials or know how special interests get treated there, so you were spared my commentary.
 
Walker rightfully won the recall effort, imo.

As to this comment:

I think it will be very telling what direction this country is heading in....


I don't think anyone was looking at Wisconsin as an indicator of what direction the entire country is headed.
 
Wisconsin has not voted for a Republican since 1984.

However, in 2000 and 2004 both elections were very close and could have swung in the opposite direction. In 2008, I think the margin of victory was 14 points.

I think it will be close and could swing in either direction. Obama not showing his face is going to cost some points, and the Democrats pulling money out at the last minute is going to leave some upset Democrats.

The drop in the Public Union Membership can't help either.

Wisconsin has gone from a lean Democrat to a toss up. 10 electoral votes.
 
Major: No problems. By the way, listening to NPR (admitted liberal leanings there, but they give 90 percent facts, 10 percent ********, as opposed to most talk radio where the ratios are reversed) I heard that in exit polling the majority of voters would have voted for Obama. I can't remember whether it was 52 or 53 percent, with about 10 percent less saying they would vote for Romney. I had not contemplated that there would be "Walker-Obama" voters. I am unschooled in Wisconsin politics.
 
Croc:

I heard those same polls and saw that data as well. Two things that I take from those polls, different from the traditional polls taken.

Wisconsin is a very polarized state. If the exit polling was taken at one polling place and it was in one of the three heavily democratic counties then you are going to get those results. If they had pollsters all across the state and got those results that would be very shocking. I find that these type of exit polls are done at the most convenient polling location and not done on any wide scale effort or with any scientific statistical analysis done.

What I believe about Wisconsin is that you had a number of Independent or Moderate Democrats that voted against Barrett because of the Recall. I honestly don't think they have made a decision on who they are going to vote for in the Presidential election.

When scientific statistical analysis and polling is done I think it will be more like 2000 and 2004 then 2008.

Just my opinion, those media outlets that do exit polls are not very reliable. I say that having done that in 1988 and 1992 and the number of people that chose not to answer was greater then the number of people that chose to answer.
 
What was never said on MSNBC NBC CNN or any of the outlets crying over this result and offering even weaker excused than aggy after a loss was that Walker got results. GOT results.
He saved the state. saved thouands of teachers jobs. He did what he said he was going to.
ONLY an idiot would ignore that he has been successful and now Wisc is adding jobs, saved jobs and ISD are hiring.
But it is necessary for BO and obamites to pretend it was the money spent.
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6721, that was the theme that I got from CNN and MSNB and even Fox discussed it at length last night. Of course Fox talked about the money spent on both sides, not just on Walkers side.

I think it was Hannity had the group speak about the Recall election and the Democrats were out facted in about the first 30 seconds.

This Recall was one of the worst things that have ever happened in this country, it was sad the way the capital was basically looted and the protests and now nothing but dust in the wind.
 
You can only laugh to hear the leftist punidts ( and some in this thread) speak of one group spending more than the other and lament political donations
and then to remember as KnoxvilleHorn points out how much more Bo spent in 08. Then it was a point of pride to supporters

Even funnier is to remember how many fund raisers Bo did last week end alone ( 12) and now Bo is off today to do 5 more.
Love the irony.
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Did people get bussed in from the Chicago area to actually vote? I know Perry took busloads of supporters with him to Iowa, but those were to campaign and get out the vote. If people are crossing state lines en-masse and really get to vote that would seem bizarre and unacceptable to me. Don't they have to be registered voters in the place where they are casting ballots? I think some new voter ID laws go too far, but I sure as hell don't favor a system where any adult who shows up at a polling place can cast a ballot without proof of residence, their name on a voter registration list and reasoable documentation of who they are.
 
Crockett - Eric Holder's Justice Department is trying to keep states from verifying that people are legally able to vote. Apparently that is discriminatory towards illegal aliens.
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Bat: I think the holdup is because a vast majority of the voter registrations questioned by the state are those with Hispanic surnames -- not exactly the same as illegal alien -- and the ratios seem to be disproportionately in areas that aren't solidly Republican. Could be coincidence, but the resignation of the guy running the program sends up signals that at least an investigation may be appropriate.

There is a middle ground here. In Texas, even before the voter ID laws, you had to be registered to vote, have a voter registration card and another form of ID and sign the rolls that you cast your ballot. Maybe it wasn't foolproof, but you didn't have a bus full of strangers pulling up at the polling places that day and casting ballots.
 
I'd be ok with that, but the Justice Dept. has also challenged TX requiring a photo ID. That seems to me to be an effort to let minorities vote even if they might not be legal citizens. You have to have a photo ID to drive, fly, apply for credit, open a bank account, go into most schools, etc. They are free, I have been told. How could requiring one to do the most basic thing that makes us a representative democracy be wrong?
 
Maybe I'm too cynical, but I honestly believe the law was aimed squarely at the poor, the transient and the elderly. it's no big deal for me to get a picture ID, living in the suburbs with great government services and a work schedule that allows me time to take care of business. Were I very elderly and infirm with no need for a drivers license would a couple of hours at the DMV be a big deal? Yeah. Could the legislature have taken this into consideration and say if you are 80 or older you could use an expired license? Yeah, but that would have made things easy for some likely Democratic voters.
 
In Wisconsin for this primary, you could register to vote in one line and vote in the next line the same day.

I am not sure if the same rules exist for General elections.

I heard rumors of buses from Chicago, I have not been able to verify anything.
 
I went to the Wisconsin Register to vote site. If every state had Wisconsin's rules and laws regarding registering to vote, ACORN would never have existed.

You can register same day as any election.

You need one of the following(it lists 20 things)
Wisconsin ID
Electricity Bill
Real Estate Tax form
Lease from an apartment

Very scary that these rules are so lax.
 
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