He has over 500 companies. The "leverage" of those entities is extremely low.
Why not vote Libertarian?
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He has over 500 companies. The "leverage" of those entities is extremely low.
It points out that your are using the same, worn out, baseless criticism of Republican candidates that Democrats have used for almost eighty years.
Seattle Husker
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I'm not remotely considering Hoover as a Republican but purely his ability to manage the responsibility of the POTUS and make sound decisions. Like others, I don't for a moment believe Trump is a conservative or Republican in anything other than he's currently the nominee of the party.
Seattle Husker
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Here is a good article detailing how he took millions out of the Atlantic City casinos for his other ventures.
Trump is a very good real estate tycoon. Of course, this is likely the reason he won't share his taxes because he leverages the depreciation on his properties to avoid paying much tax. His other businesses...not so successful. Seriously...who starts a "steak" company and goes to market by selling them a Sharper Image?
Ima let dat go........
Didn't he also sell them on one of the home shopping channels that old people watch?
That is some MOTO logic. Congrats.
Reality is, if an even number of people vote it does matter. Most people agree that no Bernie supporter is going to vote Trump or Johnson. They might stay home, but they will not vote for anyone but HRC. HRC is going to get HRC.
The real question is whether right leaning people vote for Trump. If 100 people vote, 50 vote HRC and one right leaning centrist votes Johnson, who wins?
Seattle Husker
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He may have. Trump has a long list of failures that it's surprising he has only filed for bankruptcy 4 times. Can you imagine how wealthy Trump would actually be if he stuck only to what he's good at, real estate development?
NJlonghorn
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If you limit the analysis to right-leaders, then you are closer to right. But I think there are as many anti-Hillary left leaning centrists as there are anti-Donald right-leaning centrists. Then, there are the non-leaning centrists.
Regardless, if a right leaner votes Clinton, that's like voting for Clinton. If they vote for Johnson, that's like voting half for Trump and half for Clinton.
By the way, it's a bit ironic for you to call a point obvious, then challenge it.
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NJ, looks like you've earned another disciple.
Don't jump the shark Deez.
NJlonghorn
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Maybe we should just cut to the chase and have Dionysus make "NJ is right" the unchangeable default signature for all users.
Statalyzer
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If you see the world, or at least the USA, as a "my party vs your party" contest, where the important thing is to win the contest at all costs, then yeah, you shouldn't vote Libertarian.
But if you dislike the stranglehold of money and media that the US people have given politics over to, if dislike how both parties will hypocritically change rules to benefit themselves and then complain when the other side does the same thing, if you are tired of abuses of power and of how nobody watches the watchers, and if you believe the increasing power of government to intrude on US citizens is a big problem, then I have hard time understanding why you wouldn't vote Libertarian. If you vote D or R, you are willingly announcing your support for all these things you purport to oppose. They don't care what you say you don't like about corruption as long as in the end, you check their box.
Here's one thing people are missing who are in the "We must vote Trump because of the courts" camp.
Trump stopping Hillary from loading the Supreme Court with extreme bench-legislators who read their opinions into the law rather than reading the law for what it says .... is that going to fix the problem? Is that going to reverse the trends? Hardly. Those things you're worried about a Hillary-nominated SCOTUS doing? Congress will still be doing them. The president will still be doing them. And the SCOTUS will still be doing, them but just maybe slightly less. Yay? This is like firing bb guns into a herd of stampeding elephants and feeling satisfied that one of them slowed down to scratch a little bit.
Why? If I strongly DO NOT WANT THAT PERSON TO WIN? There's no bonus points for getting to claim "I voted for the winner".
About time someone figured this out.
But if you dislike the stranglehold of money and media that the US people have given politics over to, if dislike how both parties will hypocritically change rules to benefit themselves and then complain when the other side does the same thing, if you are tired of abuses of power and of how nobody watches the watchers, and if you believe the increasing power of government to intrude on US citizens is a big problem, then I have hard time understanding why you wouldn't vote Libertarian. If you vote D or R, you are willingly announcing your support for all these things you purport to oppose. They don't care what you say you don't like about corruption as long as in the end, you check their box.
Here's one thing people are missing who are in the "We must vote Trump because of the courts" camp.
Trump stopping Hillary from loading the Supreme Court with extreme bench-legislators who read their opinions into the law rather than reading the law for what it says .... is that going to fix the problem? Is that going to reverse the trends? Hardly. Those things you're worried about a Hillary-nominated SCOTUS doing? Congress will still be doing them. The president will still be doing them. And the SCOTUS will still be doing, them but just maybe slightly less. Yay? This is like firing bb guns into a herd of stampeding elephants and feeling satisfied that one of them slowed down to scratch a little bit.
Why? If I strongly DO NOT WANT THAT PERSON TO WIN? There's no bonus points for getting to claim "I voted for the winner".
About time someone figured this out.
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Joe Fan
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Gary Johnson is Open Borders Globalist and anti-Wall
Q: Would you open the borders and make it easier to immigrate legally?
A: My vision of the border with Mexico is that a truck from the United States going into Mexico and a truck coming from Mexico into the United States will pass each other at the border going 60 miles an hour. Yes, we should have open borders.
Q: Would you open the borders and make it easier to immigrate legally?
A: My vision of the border with Mexico is that a truck from the United States going into Mexico and a truck coming from Mexico into the United States will pass each other at the border going 60 miles an hour. Yes, we should have open borders.
This among a few other things is what sinks any serious libertarian candidacy.
Treasury and then the GAO
Yep, and of course Congress has oversight on both Treasury (including the IRS) and the GAO.
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