What the holy h...? re: Sedona Prince

[brnkj]

The tweet from racer has been deleted. Should have noted that. Agree the tweet from justme is there and viewable on Sedona’s timeline.
I don’t understand what the comment about medical reasons mean? But she’s transferring??

Unlike the minions, Sedona has chosen the high road (just as GG did).

 

[brnkj]

I can understand a player transferring after playing and experiencing the coaching staff. But when she has taken a year of scholarship from the program and been unable to play, that is not fair to the university. She should have to sit out a year. it is hard to know if this is a loss or not. So many highly ranked players in high school cannot compete in college or it takes them a long time to get accustomed to defense. In high school, these players dominate but in college, they sometimes cannot even hit a basket. Most of the best players have never defended anyone in high school. We have all seen it first hand. How a top 10 player national player essentially cannot play college ball. Coach Aston will try to develop these players. The top 5 programs sit them on the bench and cut them.

What penalty does a coach pay when she/he decides to leave for greener pastures or, as in the case of several recent occurences, when they've grossly mishandled a player or the player's situation?

 

[racerx5908]

Meh. On one hand, you can't miss what you never had (playing time, good and bad). On the other hand, we feel bad because if a 5-star is leaving us, it must mean WE SUCK.

Or, it could mean that she needs a change of scenery. I still like the "idea" of the transfer portal (spreadsheet) because I've never liked the idea of coaches telling players where they couldn't go. They're 18-19, let them try something else while they're young.

When certain former 4-star, 5-star players depart Waco, we just nod our heads and say, "Well good for them" (because secretly we know it benefits us).

Vaya Con Dios Sedona!

 

[kurupt]

The only thing I'm obsessed with is the underachieving results. Say what you want, the proof is in the pudding. Hope these "other types of players" are REALLY good.

The proof is in the pudding that Coach Aston’s tenure has been the most successful at Texas since they were in the Southwest conference. Facts

 

[kurupt]

It was I who commented about the lack of developing post players.

Which is wrong.

 

[hoopsalot]

Meh. On one hand, you can't miss what you never had (playing time, good and bad). On the other hand, we feel bad because if a 5-star is leaving us, it must mean WE SUCK.

Or, it could mean that she needs a change of scenery. I still like the "idea" of the transfer portal (spreadsheet) because I've never liked the idea of coaches telling players where they couldn't go. They're 18-19, let them try something else while they're young.

When certain former 4-star, 5-star players depart Waco, we just nod our heads and say, "Well good for them" (because secretly we know it benefits us).

Vaya Con Dios Sedona!

So true on all counts! It was hard to pick just one rating but had to go with the humor.

Meh. On one hand, you can't miss what you never had (playing time, good and bad). On the other hand, we feel bad because if a 5-star is leaving us, it must mean WE SUCK.

Or, it could mean that she needs a change of scenery. I still like the "idea" of the transfer portal (spreadsheet) because I've never liked the idea of coaches telling players where they couldn't go. They're 18-19, let them try something else while they're young.

When certain former 4-star, 5-star players depart Waco, we just nod our heads and say, "Well good for them" (because secretly we know it benefits us).

Vaya Con Dios Sedona!

 

[zztx1]

What penalty does a coach pay when she/he decides to leave for greener pastures or, as in the case of several recent occurences, when they've grossly mishandled a player or the player's situation?

That is why the NCAA is experimenting with the transfer portal. To let them go to a school when a coach leaves, to go to a better fit program, or to go get a scholarship at a school so they can finish their education. But when you are carried during an injury year, you have not given the school one thing of value in exchange for your scholarship. That is the part that is not right about that transfer. I doubt there is any gross mishandling here. Texas did promote her to the preseason experience where the injury occurred. But had nothing to do with it.

 

[kurupt]

I can understand a player transferring after playing and experiencing the coaching staff. But when she has taken a year of scholarship from the program and been unable to play, that is not fair to the university. She should have to sit out a year. it is hard to know if this is a loss or not. So many highly ranked players in high school cannot compete in college or it takes them a long time to get accustomed to defense. In high school, these players dominate but in college, they sometimes cannot even hit a basket. Most of the best players have never defended anyone in high school. We have all seen it first hand. How a top 10 player national player essentially cannot play college ball. Coach Aston will try to develop these players. The top 5 programs sit them on the bench and cut them.

Agreed. Which is why I think the “ medical” reasons is an angle that will be used to try to argue immediately eligible whenever she is healthy enough to play good luck to her at UConn.

 

[kurupt]

Given that you felt the need to try and jump out ahead of this situation by attacking the player and the family (before any reason for the departure was ever even published), it's crystal clear where you're coming from and what motivates you. As previously stated... CESSPOOL.

Cesspool where not one of the players that has transferred out recently was a started or played significant minutes.

 

[zztx1]

I want to say Coach Aston is terrific as a recruiter and for the most part in keeping the hot players in the game and motivating the others to play smart ball. Tina Thompson was a great assistant coach and that was a big loss. Fran was also incredible in generating new interest in the game. We need their skills back on the team. I have been to most home games from the past 25 years. Even though we have had top 5 recruiting classes, the closest we have come to having truly exceptional players in recent years is when Imani, Brooke and Ariel were on the team. For some reason, the new recruits have been good but not great. A championship team needs a Kalani Brown as an anchor. One day, we will have one who can gel with the others but until then it is hard to break through.

 

[brnkj]

I want to say Coach Aston is terrific as a recruiter and for the most part in keeping the hot players in the game and motivating the others to play smart ball. Tina Thompson was a great assistant coach and that was a big loss. Fran was also incredible in generating new interest in the game. We need their skills back on the team. I have been to most home games from the past 25 years. Even though we have had top 5 recruiting classes, the closest we have come to having truly exceptional players in recent years is when Imani, Brooke and Ariel were on the team. For some reason, the new recruits have been good but not great. A championship team needs a Kalani Brown as an anchor. One day, we will have one who can gel with the others but until then it is hard to break through.

Really? The revolving door at the scorer's table doesn't ALLOW a player to get hot.

Good but not great?

The attempt at damage control is laughable.

 

[brnkj]

That is why the NCAA is experimenting with the transfer portal. To let them go to a school when a coach leaves, to go to a better fit program, or to go get a scholarship at a school so they can finish their education. But when you are carried during an injury year, you have not given the school one thing of value in exchange for your scholarship. That is the part that is not right about that transfer. I doubt there is any gross mishandling here. Texas did promote her to the preseason experience where the injury occurred. But had nothing to do with it.

Even though we disagree I respect that you offer qualified and (obviously) educated input. There are always two sides to every story, and I never believe one side is all right and the other is all wrong.

People also have differing opinions and it's usually subjective who is right or wrong regarding those. However, this was a somewhat civil thread until the young lady's character was viciously attacked before she even had a chance to graciously thank the university and announce her decision in her own words ... that is ALL WRONG.

That's about like posting on social media claiming that Baylor had paid off the officials during the 2018 Big 12 Championship game. Not real smart...

 

[zztx1]

Really? The revolving door at the scorer's table doesn't ALLOW a player to get hot.

Good but not great?

The attempt at damage control is laughable.

No damage control here. What damage have we had at Texas?

Did you have to sit through Coach G's years when we barely made the tourney? Or the last few years of Coach C where the other teams in the state were out recruiting us on every player? Putting Baylor aside, Coach Aston has pretty well dominated the conference. And she has won games against more talented teams and not lost (usually) against less talented teams. We do have a mental block against Baylor and we normally do not play up to our talent against them. That may take years to get over. Playoff ball is different. We have had some rough draws with CONN in our bracket and we have lost games we should have won.

Every team regardless of sport needs a gamechanger. A player or two who dominate the court. The national caliber teams have recruited them. We have come close but I am not sure we have had that gamechanger yet. You never know who will break out and have that career but there is no doubt we have added players who appear to have the potential to do that.

 

[kurupt]

No damage control here. What damage have we had at Texas?

Did you have to sit through Coach G's years when we barely made the tourney? Or the last few years of Coach C where the other teams in the state were out recruiting us on every player? Putting Baylor aside, Coach Aston has pretty well dominated the conference. And she has won games against more talented teams and not lost (usually) against less talented teams. We do have a mental block against Baylor and we normally do not play up to our talent against them. That may take years to get over. Playoff ball is different. We have had some rough draws with CONN in our bracket and we have lost games we should have won.

Every team regardless of sport needs a gamechanger. A player or two who dominate the court. The national caliber teams have recruited them. We have come close but I am not sure we have had that gamechanger yet. You never know who will break out and have that career but there is no doubt we have added players who appear to have the potential to do that.

Facts.

 

[hoopsalot]

No damage control here. What damage have we had at Texas?

Did you have to sit through Coach G's years when we barely made the tourney? Or the last few years of Coach C where the other teams in the state were out recruiting us on every player? Putting Baylor aside, Coach Aston has pretty well dominated the conference. And she has won games against more talented teams and not lost (usually) against less talented teams. We do have a mental block against Baylor and we normally do not play up to our talent against them. That may take years to get over. Playoff ball is different. We have had some rough draws with CONN in our bracket and we have lost games we should have won.

Every team regardless of sport needs a gamechanger. A player or two who dominate the court. The national caliber teams have recruited them. We have come close but I am not sure we have had that gamechanger yet. You never know who will break out and have that career but there is no doubt we have added players who appear to have the potential to do that.

Agree the team has had a couple of rough draws. Losing to Indiana in the first game was the only tournament loss I thought was truly bad -- a bad end to a bafflingly disappointing season. The previous year, the team lost in the sweet 16 to a UCLA team peaking at the right time. UCLA had a very talented team with 2 seniors who made WNBA rosters, and a junior who was a late cut by Dallas this season. Up to that win over Texas, there was much talk about UCLA Coach Close's underachieving with high recruits -- believe that senior class had been ranked as high as the number one class coming in as freshmen. The other game that stands out in my mind is the crushing tournament loss to UCONN. Sure, everyone expected Texas to lose, but the team, as a whole, failed to compete. But for Azura Stevens, Texas might have beat UConn in Austin a couple of years ago in Austin. I wonder if that would have changed anything going forward.

 

[kurupt]

Agree the team has had a couple of rough draws. Losing to Indiana in the first game was the only tournament loss I thought was truly bad -- a bad end to a bafflingly disappointing season. The previous year, the team lost in the sweet 16 to a UCLA team peaking at the right time. UCLA had a very talented team with 2 seniors who made WNBA rosters, and a junior who was a late cut by Dallas this season. Up to that win over Texas, there was much talk about UCLA Coach Close's underachieving

Another sensible post.

 

[hoopsalot]

Really? The revolving door at the scorer's table doesn't ALLOW a player to get hot.....

The substitutions baffle and concern me. It seems to me the most successful coaches (Geno, Muffet, Kim) usually use shorter, tighter player rotations. Of course, if Karen did this, I would expect a lot of poster complaints about talented players who are not getting minutes. It also might mean more transfers at the end of the season. Geno is ruthless about playing only who he deems to meeting standards and UConn and Baylor both have a history of highly ranked players transferring out.

 

[kurupt]

The substitutions baffle and concern me. It seems to me the most successful coaches (Geno, Muffet, Kim) usually use shorter, tighter player rotations. Of course, if Karen did this, I would expect a lot of poster complaints about talented players who are not getting minutes. It also might mean more transfers at the end of the season. Geno is ruthless about playing only who he deems to meeting standards and UConn and Baylor both have a history of highly ranked players transferring out.

Agreed. Because we’ve certainly had many posters on here complaining about certain players not getting playing time. It’s why I’ve always thought that having depth can sometimes be overrated because as you mentioned when it comes to crunch time/ tournament time most coaches are only playing a 7 maybe eight player rotation.

We’re at the point in College basketball where having 15 McDonald’s AA’s on the roster is unproductive because half of them are going to transfer out in a year or two anyway because of lack of playing time. You’re better off recruiting 2 or 3 highly touted players preferably at the guard and post position and recruiting role players that can be great in their roles.

 

[zztx1]

The substitutions baffle and concern me. It seems to me the most successful coaches (Geno, Muffet, Kim) usually use shorter, tighter player rotations. Of course, if Karen did this, I would expect a lot of poster complaints about talented players who are not getting minutes. It also might mean more transfers at the end of the season. Geno is ruthless about playing only who he deems to meeting standards and UConn and Baylor both have a history of highly ranked players transferring out.

I think many of us would like to see this rotation but I think our talent level was too uneven.

I am not going to name names but let me put some nonstarters in categories:
(1) players who get easily winded, (2) players who cannot make a basket, (3) players who often throw passes too high or risky ones, (4) young ones who lose track of the player they are guarding, and (5) young ones who have never played defense.

The problem is when one or two bench players are in the game with game issues, the opponent exploits those weaknesses. And, it causes the other team to go on scoring runs. We have had some games, UConn in Austin or when we beat Baylor at Baylor, where everything clicked.

 

[UTSUgrad]

It is entirely possible that Sedona has not been cleared by doctors to play, just as Jamie Carey was not cleared at Stanford. Medical records are private. Sedona may be in search of clearance elsewhere. Since she never played at Texas, is she immediately eligible at another school? Things worked out well for Jamie, let's hope all is well, eventually, with Sedona. I agree with previous comments - it would be nice to have a bonafide superstar(s) to generate national attention for us, as did each of the Final 4 teams this year - Ogunbawale, Brown/Cox, Collier/Samuelson and Ionescue, but we have just not had top ranked players dominate the game, take us to the Final 8/4 or had an attention-grabbing win (UConn, Baylor) since, well ... in this century. Sports are cyclical ... I' m sure ready for us to cycle up again!

 

[Chris Drake]

Agree the team has had a couple of rough draws. Losing to Indiana in the first game was the only tournament loss I thought was truly bad -- a bad end to a bafflingly disappointing season. The previous year, the team lost in the sweet 16 to a UCLA team peaking at the right time. UCLA had a very talented team with 2 seniors who made WNBA rosters, and a junior who was a late cut by Dallas this season. Up to that win over Texas, there was much talk about UCLA Coach Close's underachieving with high recruits -- believe that senior class had been ranked as high as the number one class coming in as freshmen. The other game that stands out in my mind is the crushing tournament loss to UCONN. Sure, everyone expected Texas to lose, but the team, as a whole, failed to compete. But for Azura Stevens, Texas might have beat UConn in Austin a couple of years ago in Austin. I wonder if that would have changed anything going forward.

Lol that's funny.

 

[brnkj]

More excuses... no accountability. #minionville
#postgamequotes

 

[kurupt]

More excuses... no accountability. #minionville
#postgamequotes

I would s**t on it as well if I were allowed.

 

[brnkj]

No damage control here. What damage have we had at Texas?

Did you have to sit through Coach G's years when we barely made the tourney? Or the last few years of Coach C where the other teams in the state were out recruiting us on every player? Putting Baylor aside, Coach Aston has pretty well dominated the conference. And she has won games against more talented teams and not lost (usually) against less talented teams. We do have a mental block against Baylor and we normally do not play up to our talent against them. That may take years to get over. Playoff ball is different. We have had some rough draws with CONN in our bracket and we have lost games we should have won.

Every team regardless of sport needs a gamechanger. A player or two who dominate the court. The national caliber teams have recruited them. We have come close but I am not sure we have had that gamechanger yet. You never know who will break out and have that career but there is no doubt we have added players who appear to have the potential to do that.

LMFAO

Oh... and you can thank CP for setting GG up for failure by not allowing her to retain any assistants (Travis, Clarissa) with Texas recruiting ties. KA has done a phenomenal job recruiting but just hasn't produced what she should have with the talent. Hell the only reason we stayed in the Top 25 this year was because we were given such a lofty ranking at the beginning of the season, and then didn't play a nonconference schedule that could do it much damage We're only the THIRD BEST TEAM within 100 miles. Let that sink in!

Now the recruiting is trending downward... this next class will speak volumes one way or the other. If GG would've been allowed to keep Travis and/or Clarissa... she'd still be here.

 

[kurupt]

LMFAO

Oh... and you can thank CP for setting GG up for failure by not allowing her to retain any assistants (Travis, Clarissa) with Texas recruiting ties. KA has done a phenomenal job recruiting but just hasn't produced what she should have with the talent. Hell the only reason we stayed in the Top 25 this year was because we were given such a lofty ranking at the beginning of the season, and then didn't play a nonconference schedule that could do it much damage We're only the THIRD BEST TEAM within 100 miles. Let that sink in!

Now the recruiting is trending downward... this next class will speak volumes one way or the other. If GG would've been allowed to keep Travis and/or Clarissa... she'd still be here.

More excuses. Too bad she couldn’t bring in her own assistants like Coach Aston did with Coach Mitchell and George huh?

 

[brnkj]

I would s**t on it as well if I were allowed.

 

[kurupt]

LMFAO

Oh... and you can thank CP for setting GG up for failure by not allowing her to retain any assistants (Travis, Clarissa) with Texas recruiting ties. KA has done a phenomenal job recruiting but just hasn't produced what she should have with the talent. Hell the only reason we stayed in the Top 25 this year was because we were given such a lofty ranking at the beginning of the season, and then didn't play a nonconference schedule that could do it much damage We're only the THIRD BEST TEAM within 100 miles. Let that sink in!

Now the recruiting is trending downward... this next class will speak volumes one way or the other. If GG would've been allowed to keep Travis and/or Clarissa... she'd still be here.

It’s a shame signing a highly touted high school player in Celeste Taylor and adding two quality international recruits ALONG with a transfer that was highly regarded out of high is considered downward like some idiots would suggest don’t you think? Someone’s been to busy reading through the coaches contract and watching her as she supposedly interacts with folks.

 

[brnkj]

It’s a shame signing a highly touted high school player in Celeste Taylor and adding two quality international recruits ALONG with a transfer that was highly regarded out of high is considered downward like some idiots would suggest don’t you think? Someone’s been to busy reading through the coaches contract and watching her as she supposedly interacts with folks.

When more talent is going out the door than coming in... yeah, that's what I call trending downward. It's a matter of debits and credits.

I certainly hope the AD truly cares about the program... if so there won't be another contract. But I bet the rest of the Big 12 hopes she sticks around for a long time. Right now we're the third best team in the state and three others are gaining ground. What an accomplishment!!!

 

[brnkj]

More excuses. Too bad she couldn’t bring in her own assistants like Coach Aston did with Coach Mitchell and George huh?

Yeah.. how interesting that KA was allowed to bring back the very person that GG wasn't allowed to keep.

Uh-huhhh....

 

[brnkj]

On a brighter note... What a great thread! This topic has brought new posters to the board, so let's all give them a big TEXAS welcome!