What Flag Do We Ban Now ...

[Seattle Husker]

Is the rainbow flag flying over official government buildings anywhere today? I'm certainly not in favor.

It's not. Outside of rainbow colored lighting on the Whitehouse you haven't seen permanent State sponsored flag displays in support of the LGBT community. That's the irony that is lost on some. There isn't any movement to "ban" the Confederate flag but simply to say the state represents all citizens. Individuals and groups can fly any flag they want. That's their constitutional right. Then again, some of this same group of people also don't understand why the Christian God should be separate from Fed/State association so at best it is simply a "blind spot" for them.

 

[Htown77]

the Rebel symbol you so adore has not been banned.

It was banned from a place that matters in south carolina. The Jefferson Davis and (for some reason) the Woodrow Wilson statues were just banned from their location at UT.

There isn't any movement to "ban" the Confederate flag but simply to say the state represents all citizens.

The confederate flag represented everyone in the confederate states, just like the United States flag represented everyone in the United States from 1776-present (and this included slaves). It's like how Texas flies the 6 flags of Texas. They were all flags of the sovereign so they represented everyone. (and yes let's save the battle flag argument. A flag of a military unit of the sovereign is a flag of the sovereign)

If "representing everyone" is the standard, you could not have veterans memorials or firefighter memorials because everyone is not a veteran or firefighter.

In no way, shape or form is banning confederate symbols from public places inclusive. Instead it is exclusive. It says that the heritage of a minority of americans is NOT welcome in public places and should be excluded because it is disfavored by some. An inclusive action would be to add statues of african americans.

It also does not unite. Instead it breeds resentment and disunity... like the exclusion of ANY group's american heritage would.

These memorials were put up in the spirit of reconciliation, not hate. They were put up along side US memorials to say "we once seceded, this is part of who we are, but we are now reconciled and together." The side that won the civil war is not content with that and wants to keep fighting it apparently. They will not settle for winning the war, but instead want any traces of the south being pro independence removed and everyone to be ashamed of it.

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[nashhorn]

^^^oh brother....

 

[Seattle Husker]

On Thursday, Doritos announced a new limited-edition flavor, Doritos Rainbows chips, the “first Doritos product in history made up of multiple, rainbow-colored Doritos chips inspired by the Pride flag.”

But you won’t find them in stores. The only way to get a bag is by making a donation of $10 or more through the website for the It Gets Better Project, a campaign that supports lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender youth.

It pays to be PC just as it pays to be eco-friendly, or at least perceived to be, as a corporation.

 

[zork]

can we ban the ISIS flag? or do we need to understand their plight and poor, poor, Islamophobia infested psyche's?

 

[NJlonghorn]

can we ban the ISIS flag? or do we need to understand their plight and poor, poor, Islamophobia infested psyche's?

We don't ban the Nazi flag, so why would we ban the ISIS flag? Allowing someone to speak does not equate to respecting their position.

 

[zork]

um, my post in this thread is in the context of this thread. shouldn't ban any flag.

 

[NJlonghorn]

um, my post in this thread is in the context of this thread. shouldn't ban any flag.

Okay, then we agree. Do we also agree that the ISIS flag shouldn't fly over a state capital? Just tryin' to find common ground.

 

[zork]

if the state wants to fly the isis flag then they can.(doubful it would fly anywhere in the USA except for maybe small parts of Michigan) it shows what the people in that state believe. the cannabis flag, if there was one, flying in colorado/washington for instance.

It is one belief in the way the framers argued, federalist papers etc, as they set up the rules that I believe can be troublesome but ultimately worth it to allow freedom to reign in our country. I agree the nazis should be able to march in Skokie IL but not be free from the backlash that they would receive.

Now, saying that, I don't have to agree with any of them to respect the right for any of us to do the things that should be allowed in the Constituition and intimated by the Bill of Rights.(there were arguments that the Bill of Rights might be limiting some rights to only those listed)

If Ahmed Muhammad's dad instigated his son, my guess, to pull the stunt he did at school then it should come out, or make the probability for your judgement call, via the facts surrounding his dad's past stunts.(his trip to Florida to debate the wacko preacher who burned the Koran)

Don't go to South Carolina or support anything from South Carolina if you don't agree with them and feel that strongly about it.

Maybe I am too much of a simpleton on this one.

 

[Seattle Husker]

if the state wants to fly the isis flag then they can.(doubful it would fly anywhere in the USA except for maybe small parts of Michigan) it shows what the people in that state believe. the cannabis flag, if there was one, flying in colorado/washington for instance.

Agreed. It was a South Carolina governor and state reps that chose to remove the confederate flag from the front of the capital building. Sure, there was outside pressure just like in Indiana with their vigorous Pro-religious protection stance. Ultimately, it was state lawmakers that changed their minds, just as it should be.

 

[Joe Fan]

I admit I had to lookup "cishet."

 

[zork]

Agreed. It was a South Carolina and state reps that chose to remove the confederate flag from the front of the capital building. Sure, there was outside pressure just like in Indiana with their vigorous Pro-religious protection stance. Ultimately, it was state lawmakers that changed their minds, just as it should be.

yup. social media has allowed the bully pulpit of the organized parts of the society to wield quite the powerful big stick. I always preferred the Senate approach vs the House though. Changes to longstanding traditions shouldn't be made willy-nilly.

At least there will be lots of type events as we see the sways in policies. The unintended consequences charts are going to be crazy.(if you could track the unintended consequences of X decision on a chart) Reduced access to rural people to hospitals because of, reportedly, some parts of the ACA influenced rural hospitals to close. So structural, unintended, changes can happen when simplistic/idealistic decisions are made. There are always pros and cons to just about anything though.

 

[Seattle Husker]

yup. social media has allowed the bully pulpit of the organized parts of the society to wield quite the powerful big stick. I always preferred the Senate approach vs the House though. Changes to longstanding traditions shouldn't be made willy-nilly.

At least there will be lots of type events as we see the sways in policies. The unintended consequences charts are going to be crazy.(if you could track the unintended consequences of X decision on a chart) Reduced access to rural people to hospitals because of, reportedly, some parts of the ACA influenced rural hospitals to close. So structural, unintended, changes can happen when simplistic/idealistic decisions are made. There are always pros and cons to just about anything though.

Agreed. The mantra I tell my sons is everything in moderation. Applying that in the political spectrum, too much sway to any one side is a bad thing.

 

[Horn6721]

Joe
I had to look up cis back when the fauxrage on transgender was heating up

so it ain't all bad. Knowledge is power.

 

[NJlonghorn]

if the state wants to fly the isis flag then they can

Well, I give you credit for being consistent. Naïve perhaps, but consistent.

You are declining to draw a difference between an individual's right to free speech and the right of a majority to speak on behalf of a state. I don't accept it, and I shudder at the thought of actually implementing such a radical philosophy.

I vigorously defend the right of Nazis to rally, so that they can advocate for exterminating me and my entire extended family. But there's no ******* way they should be allowed to take over a governmental body and use the voice of the state as their bully pulpit.

There's a reason Madison called democracy the "most vile form of government".

 

[NJlonghorn]

I admit I had to lookup "cishet."

Me too. I had heard of "cisgender" and even "cis" for short, but never "cishet".

 

[zork]

Well, I give you credit for being consistent. Naïve perhaps, but consistent.

You are declining to draw a difference between an individual's right to free speech and the right of a majority to speak on behalf of a state. I don't accept it, and I shudder at the thought of actually implementing such a radical philosophy.

I vigorously defend the right of Nazis to rally, so that they can advocate for exterminating me and my entire extended family. But there's no ******* way they should be allowed to take over a governmental body and use the voice of the state as their bully pulpit.

There's a reason Madison called democracy the "most vile form of government".

I love reading about Madison, Hamilton, Jay, etc, etc. But haven't in years for whatever reason. Probably been spending too much time trying to figure out where WashU-Horn has been spending his time? Glad you are back, man. Hope your family is doing well.