Was the Execution of OBL a War Crime?

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MojoMan

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Dear President Obama,
Barack, buddy, I have got your back. You did the right thing in ordering the execution of that murdering madman Osama bin Laden. On that point, I do not care what anyone says. What's more, I am confident that the vast majority of Americans agree with me on this. Regardless of anything else you do, you will have our unwavering support and our respect for this great accomplishment.

However, it appears that some in the "international community" do not agree. In fact, some of these people are now raising questions about whether you may have violated "international law" by ordering the killing of bin Laden, and whether you have committed a war crime in connection with this incident. If that evaluation is correct, then you will be branded as a war criminal. I have included an article on this matter below published by the German Der Spiegel magazine, in case you are interested.

In the past, you have expressed support for the idea of the International Criminal Court (ICC), where war criminals are now tried in certain circumstances. Considering your own apparently somewhat precarious position on this matter, I would encourage you to reconsider your support for this court, lest you find yourself appearing before them. Which I for one never want to see.

To close let me say once again on the OBL killing: Well done, sir! You deserve to be commended for your actions. We are all proud of what you are done here. And as far as those arrogant buffoons in the "international community" that apparently think differently, the can all go to hell.

Sincerely,

MojoMan

P.S.: Here is the article from Der Spiegel that I mentioned above:

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Umm- he "shot at" our troops who were defending themselves- in their quest to arrest him and bring him back.

Whatever.
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War crimes were developed for wars between nations, if I am not mistaken. No doubt this is new territory.

I'm fine with discreet use of this kind of force against terrorists who target the United States. Had binLaden been spotted and arrested in a shopping mall, then we would have been fine using law enforcement approaches. Since he was holed up in a country with no chance of being extradited, I'm fine with using the warfare model and just killing the enemy.

I'm also fine if there was an understanding that binLaden was not to ever leave that compound alive. The drama and danger of taking him alive, holding him captive and then trying him in public means he would still be a dangerous enemy even in captivity.

I'm fine with killing known terrorists or those who materially support terrorist efforts against the US if these enemies are hiding in countries where there is no other way to get at them.

On the other hand, police and other law enforcement entities have often been our most successful tools in locating and apprehending terrorists. If the terrorists are taken by those branches in countries who will try or extradite the captives, then try them in courts.

I'm find with more than one approach to exterminating and eliminating enemies of the United States who mean this country harm.

The key is the use of intelligence and operating with a high level of certainty.
 
I guess the Euros will have to stage a WWE-type SmackDown.

Nobel Peace Prize Winner vs. Bloodthirsty Yankee War Criminal

Turns out it's a one-man show
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Okay , give him a trial by his peers. Just go round up 12 ugly idiots that just took a bullet 1 inch above their eyeball !
 
Well we all know that the US wouldnt tolerate for one second a foreign country coming across our borders to execute a wanted criminal in their state, whether or not we were protecting that criminal.

The US however moves with impunity without a care of what the host country thinks.

I would still like to have some actual proof that bin Laden was actually killed in this raid other than what Obama and his generals have said. There certainly was a raid and there was a fight. Witnesses saw it. But the manner in which it went down and the subsequent "burial" at sea pretty much makes this an Elvis case until a non-photoshopped picture is shown.
 
I think one of the biggest problems we've had with OBL and Pakistan is that we have been working with the Paki'stanis to apprehend OBL in the past. Kudos to Obama for recognizing they could not be trusted here and doing this one on our own.
 
2003texas grad is a typical liberal that doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.
Let me help you out Slick.We enter into agreements with countries like Pakistan before we take the kind of action we took to kill osama.
For what we do for them , they extend certain liberties to us.
There , understand Slick ?
 
Slick? Liberal? Where have you been? Must be new around here.

Oh the US enters into agreements alright. We give billions to the worst and most corrupt people on this earth. We support the very people that we say we are against. Get THAT, Slick?
 
We arent talking about birthers here. I really dont care where Obama was born. Hes been the President now for over 2 years, and thats not going to change, so it doesnt really matter.

Unlike many people here, I dont just believe everything Im told, especially when its the government. Bin Laden could very well be dead, he could have been dead 5 years ago, or he could have died a few nights ago. It really doesnt make any difference.
 
(1) Nobody actually knows what happened that day other than a few Seals.

(2) The minute I give a **** about what a German ******* magazine says about "war crimes" is the day my Nazi bombing great uncle disowns my ***.
 
pasotex just nailed it ! what we don't need right now is a bunch of liberal candy-asses popping off with their "apologize for america" b.s.
 
The minute I give a **** about what a German ******* magazine says about "war crimes" is the day my Nazi bombing great uncle disowns my ***.
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The Germans, of all people, should not be talking about what war crimes are. They wrote the book; at least a large chapter in it.
 
mcbrett?
"Umm- he "shot at" our troops who were defending themselves
link please?
Here is a WH correction on Brennan's words stating OBL not having a weapon and OBL didn't use a wife as a shield.The Link

Funny how people seem to forget the glee expressed when Euros called for Bush to be hauled before the In't Court, Many on here felt Bush should be prosecuted.

Biden said when Obama and he were elected they would look into bringing charges against Bush officials.

all of a sudden killing is ok?


I do not think Obama should be tried. I just find it funny how worms turn.

BTW it has been reported Obama and many others watched the entire operation.
 
was the execution a war crime? No. we arent at war. we give pakistan a few billion a year to stfu. they may publicly cry about it but we have agreements and they are embarrassed anyway because certain factions of their government was hiding him despite what you may read elsewhere. I'm sticking with the self defense story. although it will never publicly come out, id like to shake the hand and buy the guy a drink that shot that pos.
 
I do not think Obama should be tried. I just find it funny how worms turn.
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no kidding. i think this is one of the first times ive seen obama act on behalf of all americans instead of a union or fringe group. im a little shocked by some of the posers on here because horn is right, a lot of these people wanted bush impeached or tried for war crimes for the way terrorists were treated and most of the time it was because they got 3 squares a day, kept their religious freedom and had to sit in a cold cell. now its woohoo, we are killiing terrorists. ive always been for it, i am just amused by the hypocrites.
 
For a moment there I thought 2003TexasGrad was bringing an articulate and reasonable perspective to the discussion. What a knucklehead I was. Thanks to 14Bevo for slapping on a facile label, regurgitating radio god boilerplate, and dismissing him as a lib before I was fully taken in by his evil tricks of applied reasoning and logic.

Whew! That was close.

I do believe that if the US was harboring the perpetrator of an act of mass murder such as binLaden, I would not blame the wronged nation from striking at him on our soil.

I believe Henry Kissinger cannot fly to numerous countries because he is considered a criminal for crimes against humanity. Now, if someone from Argentina gunned him down on an American street, I'd have a problem with that.

Had the Pakistanis reacted quickly enough to intervene and capture some of the American attackers, what would their standing be?

It's all very sticky. I'm glad of the operation as it has been reported and I congratulate the SEALs, intelligence officers, and Executive Branch personnel responsible for getting this enemy.
 
As the "typical liberal" around here, I can report that yes, it was a war crime, but only if al Queda defeats the United States militarily and drags our military and political leaders of this Pakistan foray into their court of law. Otherwise, it was not a war crime, it was a justifiable action.
Besides, the prisoner was shot attempting to escape. He should have been more cooperative.
 
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