Want war with Iran?

Crockett

Crockett

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Looks like Iran feels its long term strategic interests are best served by having nuclear weapons. It's probably a stance made for domestic consumption there, where just like here nobody wants a "weak" leader here. So are you ready to bomb the nuclear facilities and have all hell break loose, oil at $200 a gallon, loss of strategic assets and spending a lot of lives and material so we can exert limitations on Iran's sovereignty as a nation? Would MAD (mutually assured destruction) with Israel not keep the Iranians in check just like it did us and the Soviet Union?
 
Your position is too US centric. The question is whether Israel can tolerate a country with nuclear weapons that openly states its desire to destroy the jewish democracy. I think we already know the answer. So the next question is that since Israel wants no part of a war with Iran, what are its short-term options to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons? A proxy war in Syria is a good start. Perhaps there is a way to further an "Arab Spring" in Iran. If a civil war developed in Iran, I am sure that Israel would be able to infiltrate and destroy Iran's nuclear facilities and programs.
 
Crock,

It's a loaded question. Nobody "wants war" with anybody. The real issue is do we care if Iran (or anybody else for that matter) has nuclear weapons? If the answer is "yes," then I don't see how we have a choice. If they don't blink, then yes, we (or somebody - Israel) has to bomb nuclear facilities and perhaps, have all hell break lose, etc. And frankly, it doesn't matter who you support for president. Both Romney and Obama claim they'll do whatever it takes to stop them.

If the answer is "no," then we obviously shouldn't do anything to Iran. If Israel does attack Iran's nuclear sites, then we should remain neutral.

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There are no "safe assumptions" regarding nuclear weapons, no matter who has them. The US and USSR almost went to war in 1962 when it was in neither side's interest and when both were working on false assumptions. We dodged a bullet.

Iran is running out of oil and peaceful uses of nuclear energy are the best outcome if they can be pushed into limiting their use of nuclear power. Which appears to be what everybody who doesn't live close to them wants.

The Israelis are not so fortunate. My question is this: the Israelis have undoubtedly told the Iranians that any hit on them will be met with the total destruction of Persian society. A nuclear hit on Israel would be a new holocaust. How would the sailors on the Israeli subs deal with that? After using maybe a tenth of their nuke missiles to wipe out Iran, might they not turn the rest on some other anti semitic centers? These men would know they had no home to return to and that their families were dead. Why not put the big bang on the baddies' friends and co religionists? Have they not warned the Iranians that a hit on Israel means that Mecca, Medina and other holy sites of Islam will be destroyed? If you are a fantical follower of the prophet, how would you like to show up in heaven and explain how you got that as a net effect?

I don't think the threat is an attack on Israel, but a free hand for the Iranians to cause what mischief they want in the area without worrying about any really bad repercussions.

As much as I despise Netanyahu and his coalition, I have a hard time seeing how he doesn't attack Iran soon.
 
Comparing the Cold War situation to the current Middle East situation doesn't seem like a good analogy. The Soviets didn't want to be destroyed any more than we did. Thus, MAD worked.

Doesn't Iran supposedly believe that Armageddon will cause the Twelth Iman to climb out of the well he disappeared into hundreds of years ago and establish an Islamic Paradise on Earth? You can't trust religious crazies.
 
So when Bo says an Iran with nukes is a threat to the US
and that we will do whatever we must to stop iran from getting anuke
what does he mean

isn't most of the rest of the world in agreement that iran must not get nukes?
 
Iran? Is that the country that Obama said was a tiny little country and is not a threat?
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This is a very strange thread with some very odd posts.....I am not sure what to think.......Did someone compare the Soviet Union and the USA to Israel and Iran? Did I read that MAD would prevent Iran from launching because they love their children?

I must be living in some alternate universe that keeps overlapping with this one.
 
Anyone who actually researches what Ahmadinejad said knows he did not say he wants to physically destroy Israel, but rather for the regime in charge to be changed. Big difference. However, western media has a role to play, and that is to make Iran look as scary as possible at all times.

Anyone who cares should youtube the interviews that Ahmadinejad has given with Larry King.

Iran is not going to attack Israel unless they are attacked first. Any country would do the same, including the United States.
 
You don't think that he might tone down the crazy talk on Larry King where he knows he's speaking to Americans and might want to put his best foot forward and not look like a lunatic? I'll be honest I've heard the inflammatory things he's alleged to have said and never heard anyone say he really meant that he wants to bring about regime change.
 
Sip,

You think that he doesnt know every speech he makes, especially to the UN, is not something that everyone around the world, Americans included, will hear? Give the man more credit than that.

And all you have to do is look to find what he really said about Israel and "wiping off the map." Its not what he said. Its just not. Everything Ahmadinejad gets twisted into the worst possible translation. Hes not a saint, but its ridiculous how much the Western media spins everything he says.
 
If you don't think an Iran with nukes over there equals terrorists with nukes over here you haven't been paying attention to earth the last 50 years.

So, yes, if it means that we must use military options to stop Iran from having nukes, I'm all for it. It isn't like we haven't used all normal diplomatic means to tell them they need to stop. I don't give a crap if they don't think it is fair that we have nuclear power and they don't.
 
Lancehorn,

And that is precisely why you arent a U.S. diplomat. You have no understanding whatsoever of international affairs. Iran isnt even enriching uranium to weapons grade. Israeli and American intelligence officials have said as much. This is rhetoric to the Nth degree.
 
So Iran does not want to rid the world of Zionists?

Some people just never ever learn.....

You probably think the media made it up where they kept our Embassy personel hostage for 444 days and the Libya Embassy issue was over a You Tube video.

If you don't think Iran is a threat to world security, especially Mid-East security, .........not even sure what to think except you need some help.

Your credible source is Larry King interviews on You Tube?
 
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