Turning in Cheaters

OrangeClad

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I threw up in my mouth reading all the posts stating that UT shouldn't turn in NCAA violators. When these cheating schools do it and don't get caught, does anyone think they reduce their activity in subsequent years? Do you think they are at church some Sunday morning and suddenly get saved and realize the errors of their ways? And when these schools get away with cheating year after year, and in many cases improve the quality of their field play, what do you think the "immorally tempted" at others schools decide to do after they get beat time and time again by the cheating school who isn't getting caught? The whole thing becomes completely lawless and rules and structure fail to retain any meaning whatsoever.

This is a much bigger issue than just Darrell Scott. He is gone, period. But if CU cheated to get him, then perhaps they cheated to get the other highly touted recruits this year as well. If they cheated and with no repercussions, no complaints and no press, do you think they wouldn't go to do it all again next year? And then the next year maybe Tech, Okie Lite and Baylor because without cheating they can't get Darrell Scott's either and they don't like him running for 250 yards against them every year.

Face the facts, we got beat by Aggy for a decade because they loaded the field with purchased talent. OU has been beating us for years with bought talent. We all got to watch a lovely Cotton Bowl on January 1, 1991 where our team was embarrassed badly by a bought and paid for Miami team.

If these are pleasant memories for you, then yes, by all means renounce turning in cheaters and say you enjoy watching our team playing on a tilted field. These can be moral victories for us when we lose by less than 3 TDs. We can appeal to quaility recruits with good souls by telling them it's okay to lose against these teams, because they cheat so we still feel like winners and they should still come to UT. Maybe we can establish a non-cheaters, Honorary National Champonship Award. Our program could really prosper!

Look, the NCAA depends upon the schools policing each other. They don't have under-cover agents impersonating star high school athletes. They have very little teeth even with hard evidence, much less with no knowledge of anything. To cry out against turning in violators is the same as advocating complete chaos and abandonement of NCAA rules.
 
Of course you must turn in cheaters. The only ones being critical and saying that we must be careful not to break the code of silence are the cheaters of the world. Letting cheaters get away with it is like letting wife abusers get away with it.

Why would we listen to the cheating pieces of crap saying we are "ratting out" another school. Of course we are. If they cheat they should be exposed for what they are. Their contention that "everyone does it" it just wrong. That is how they justify their immoral behavior. If UT is found to have cheated then I will be embarressed and feel we deserve any punishment meted out to us.
 
Cheating at recruiting is like competitive athletes using steroids. If there is no policing the cheaters prospe and there is intense pressure to join the cheating so you and your team can be competitive.
 
Any recruiting violations should be turned in, whether at Texas or anyplace else. If they all were turned in, I would think there would be some everywhere, but the degree and severity are much worse at some places than others. Only someone with a blind eye since 1973 would argue otherwise.
Well-stated post, OrangeClad.
 
SINCE73, did someone argue that Texas had never been found guilty of any recruiting violations? No.

The fact of the matter is that Texas has always ranged from "one of the crowd" to "virtually spotless" with regard to recruiting violations, depending on the era, the coach, and the administration. If you're trying to imply that Texas is doing the same things now under Mack Brown that went on in the SWC under Fred Akers, then that's fine, but it's also wrong, and makes you look like an idiot.

I would wager a good deal of money that the UT program is one of the cleanest in D-1 football, and certainly one of the cleanest elite programs. Furthermore, our staff has nothing to do with any monkey business that might be going on. It's probably impossible to control every fan and every booster, but Mack Brown is as committed and successful at running a clean shop as anyone out there. He has every right to expect that of his competitors, and should be commended for calling them on the carpet if and when they don't play fair.
 
It just cracks me up that some of you guys don't know anything about your history. That's all.
That group doesn't include you 2 guys but the OP was saying how hard it was for poor Texas for a decade because A&M was cheating sumbitches from 84-94 & & in the middle of that time frame Texas was placed on probation for cheating in recuiting.
I don't think any program cheats to the extent that it did back in the B8/SWC days but one thing is for sure, when the old SWC started turing each other in every single one of your programs except Rice went on probation.
 
A&M's violations were far more severe than UT's. Not to condone what happened in Austin, but equating the two is like equating shoplifting with armed robbery.
 
Spare me the everyone does/did it routine. First of all, this thread is not about what went down before today's players were born (though what went on then was far worse at certain schools than at Texas). Secondly, reviewing how the UT administration dealt with problems as they arose compared to how some other schools did (*cough* you better know who you are *cough*) is telling. Third, cheating is wrong regardless of who is doing or has done what else.

We are perhaps not so ignorant of history as some may be imperceptive of key aspects of context and key questions of right and wrong.
 
ummm...other than a 1 year Bowl ban the punishment between A&M's & Texas was exackly the same in the 80's.
You both lost the same amount of ships for the next several years.
A&M was hammered in the 90's because they were a repeat offender but the 80's probation between you 2, (which was the subject of this thread) was almost identical.

Which University is which?

A. Violations were in areas of improper employment, entertainment, financial aid and lodging, out-of-season practice, complimentary tickets, and improper recruiting contacts.

B. excessive entertainment by a booster and other improper recruiting contacts, the sale of complimentary tickets by 10 players, comments to prospective recruits that they could expect special benefits, and loans and cash for athletes' personal use, including a car repair loan made by a former recruiting coordinator. arranging for or providing small amounts of cash for players' personal use
 
It is always refreshing to see visitors to our board stumble at the slightest logical impediment to their beliefs, ignore reasoned argument, and rehash the same tired collection of generalized mudslinging at our university. Contrary to the simple-minded course some posters seem inevitably to follow whenever cheating is discussed here, this thread is about turning in cheaters. Learn some taste and some powers of reason and try to focus, please.

Does a sooner or an ag actually have any meaningful input on the ethics of reporting cheaters, or does the sum total of their contribution consist of the proverbial "removing all doubt" by badmouthing the UT of the early 1980s? Anything worthwhile at all?
 
Turning in other schools is bad juju. Stir up a shitstorm and all you get are pissed off, vengeance seeking opponents. That leads to them, and others, poking around in your backyard. If you think UT is 100% clean, you are crazy. No school is 100% clean.

That said, one of my biggest criticisms of Mack is being milquetoast. If whatever happened here is big enough to piss Mack off to the point that he feels like something needs to be done, I support that. If it's just something blatant and egregious, you should do something about it.

If you think getting popped by the NCAA does jack ****, you are fooling yourself. Did you see a change in Rick Neuheisal? Did you see one in Kelvin Sampson? Dennis Erickson? Is there EVER a recruiting season in the SEC w/o some serious eyebrows being raised? Our favorite whipping boy OU is forever cheating. People who have that mindset, are always going to think they are smarter than the last sap who got busted.
 
i, for one, hope that texas doesn't cheat.

and were we to cheat, i hope we'd get caught.

i feel the same way about all of the other 118 or so teams, and i think college football fans have the right to be critical of cheaters so long as they are critical of it when it's happening on their campus. if mack and co. were found cheating, i'd be ashamed of him and the program.

it seems that some people don't want to be critical of cheating, because they don't want to be consistent in applying their outrage when it happens in their own backyard.
 
73,

It's always amusing when fans of a leader in NCAA violations (and a pathetically poor academic school to boot) come on this Longhorn sports fan site and try to trash Texas when their own "institution" is so much worse.

Oklahoma has SEVEN major NCAA violations -- the latest two being in 2006 and 2007.

SIX OF THOSE ARE FOR RECRUITING VIOLATIONS. The last time Texas was cited for recruiting violations was 21 years ago in 1987.

Oklahoma - SEVEN Major NCAA Violations

Oklahoma is currently on NCAA probation (through 2010) for the latest major NCAA violations:

Oklahoma - On Probation Until 2010

Why try to obscure the fact that Oklahoma is one of the all-time major violations leaders in NCAA history . . . ? It should have gotten the death penalty years ago.

Besides that, it's a less than mediocre academic school hugging the bottom of the barrel at 108th out of 125 national schools according to USN&WR:

Oklahoma - A Pathetic Academic School

I'd be ashamed to have any association with that "school".
 
Did the UT recruiting violations during the Jackie Sherrill era go beyon the pair of cowboy boots that a booster gave a recruit during McWilliams tenure?

Seriously, to say all recruiting violations are the same is akin to saying all crime is the same and petty theft is no worse than murder. OU is still the only program I've ever seen on the cover on Sports Illustrated with their QB being in cuffs.
 

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