Trump claims Cruz's father linked to JFK Assassin

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http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36195317

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36192806

Highlights:

"His father was with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to Oswald's being — you know, shot. I mean, the whole thing is ridiculous," Mr Trump said on Tuesday.

"I mean, what was he doing — what was he doing with Lee Harvey Oswald shortly before the death? Before the shooting

The National Enquirer hired photo experts who say Rafael Cruz appears in images with Oswald taken in August of 1963, a few months before Kennedy's death.

The tabloid does not corroborate the report in any other way.

In an interview with the Miami Herald, Gus Russo, an expert on the Kennedy assassination, was sceptical of the Enquirer's claims.

"It's very subjective. It's not proof. It's just an opinion" he told the Herald. "To charge something this big, you'd better have better proof than that 'it looks like him'."

The National Enquirer previously published a report claiming that Ted Cruz had several extra-marital affairs. The tabloid provided no evidence.

Mr Cruz said the story was false and claimed it was planted by the Trump campaign.

At the time, Mr Cruz also noted that Mr Trump and National Enquirer CEO David Pecker are close friends.

The National Enquirer also has endorsed Mr Trump for president, a first for the publication.

Mr Cruz attacked Mr Trump on Tuesday, calling the billionaire businessman "totally amoral," "a pathological liar" and "a serial philanderer".

Responding, Mr Trump said "Ted Cruz is a desperate candidate trying to save his failing campaign.

"It is no surprise he has resorted to his usual tactics of over-the-top rhetoric that nobody believes."


This is my favorite part. After Trump accuses his opponent's father of being involved with Lee Harvey Oswald based on an article in the national enquirer (the same publication runs alien stories), Trump says Cruz has "over-the-top rhetoric nobody believes." The publication basically said "here is a photo of Oswald with a brown person... it must be Cruz's dad!" and Trump rolled with that.

I expect the next thing Trump will say is "Cruz says completely unbelievable crazy talk like 'my dad did not kill JFK.' Can we trust someone that tells crazy lies about their father like that?"

I honestly cannot tell if Trump's whole campaign is a practical joke or if Trump really is a nutball. Either way, Hillary might take all 50 states if Trump is the nominee. Im not voting for a guy who gets his news from the national enquirer (not that I ever was anyway).
 
Trump is emptying the chamber on Cruz' presidential hopes. I can't imagine how vindictive he'd be in the White House. He'd be worse than LBJ at attacking anyone who wronged him.
 
What bothers me is... if someone says something completely insane like "my opponent's father was involved in the JFK assassination. His father is brown and there is a picture of a brown man with Lee Harvey Oswald so it must be my opponent's father. It was in the National Enquirer.".... shouldn't that someone stop getting votes?

What Howard Dean did was way less crazy.
 
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Htown77 said:
What bothers me is... if someone says something completely insane like "my opponent's father was involved in the JFK assassination. His father is brown and there is a picture of a brown man with Lee Harvey Oswald so it must be my opponent's father. It was in the National Enquirer.".... shouldn't that someone stop getting votes?

Howard Dean did way less crazy.
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He's the Teflon Don for sure. Just imagine, he's only a November vote away from being POTUS. What kind of crazy **** would he say about our allies?
 
I think Hillary would be a big disaster as well. This election seems to be to vote for the big disaster or the titantic disaster.
 
I long for the days when Republicans nominated sane candidates like Sarah the Moosekiller Palin. Those days are long gone, verdad?

If anybody wants some great laughs, go to Texags Politics forum for a take on this subject; those guys are hilarious and some of the posters identifying other possible Raul Cruz appearances in Tienamen Square, etc, are wonderful.
 
I long for the days when Republicans nominated sane candidates like Sarah the Moosekiller Palin. Those days are long gone, verdad?
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Sarah Palin ran in the primary in 08?

I am not a fan of "let's stay in Iraq 100 years" McCain (which I guess Obama did anyway?) or Palin. I will say, presidents have picked terrible running mates for decades. It's not quite the same as the crazy person winning the primaries.
 
Horn6721 said:
All the above and yet Hillary would be a disaster and sink us even deeper in debt.
No good choices
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Even before yesterday, I felt like there was no way I could vote for Trump. Yesterday made it official.

I would rather sit out than vote for Trump or Hillary.
 
Honestly, never really followed Johnson. However, a quick look at his stances leads me to strongly considering supporting his candidacy.

I will credit Trump with blowing up the GOP. Maybe Sanders is doing the same with the DNC.
 
You will have to elaborate on that one. I have discovered a few Trump supporters over the last week that have totally shocked me. I remain amazed by some people who support him. I need to buy stock in WWF.
 
Wasn't Trump merely saying that the National Inquirer and the Miami Herald had published reports about the Cruz-Oswald rumors and that no one mentioned them? He didn't invent the story himself.
 
Trump is far from my ideal candidate, but I can several reasons why I support him and one practical reason. The fact is, there are no candidates in the race that come anywhere near representing my views addressing policy issues.
1. He indicated the possibility of trending away from imperialism. I like the fact he demands for Japan, Germany, and the Saudis to pull their own financial weight in terms of providing defense. If NATO will not pay their fair share, why should we? We can't afford it.
2. I thought his health care plan made some good proposals.
3. He appears to be the most serious candidate about stemming the influx of illegals.
4. He is against TTIP and TPP, though perhaps not for the same reasons I am.
5,Trump is the only candidate that isn't bought and paid for. The Citizens United case ought to be named the Oligarchs United case because they now rule us more than ever.
6. It looks like the alternative is Hillary Clinton. I believe she is sociopathic and pure evil.

I am concerned that the US government is becoming more tyrannical, corrupt, and will eventually be more autocratic. But that's going to happen whomever gets elected. The entire financial system is now based on too big to fail ponzi structures that cannot be reformed without causing economic collapse.
 
Seriously, is that the best you can do? Whenever you have nothing to say about an issue you default to the equivalent of Putin = Hitler in much the same way that Obama deflected questions by retorting "it's Bush's fault" in response to everything.
 
I will vote for Trump if he is the GOP nominee and I won't lose one minute of sleep about it. That is how bad for this country I believe Hillary to be.

Honestly, how can someone say that Trump is worse than Hillary? The stuff that people *suppose* that Trump will do, Hillary has already done worse. She is a proven liar who puts her personal convenience above the security of the country. I am much more baffled that she able to run for POTUS than that Donald Trump is.
 
Htown77 said:
I honestly cannot tell if Trump's whole campaign is a practical joke or if Trump really is a nutball.
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Trump is (and I do not mean this in a positive way) a competitor. He cares about winning. He doesn't care about how he does it, and ethics and grace mean nothing to him. He will say and do whatever to get elected, and he will likely say and do whatever once he is elected to get what he wants.

Mr. Deez said:
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I'm actually thinking that this is something that might be a reason to vote for Trump. Conservatives have been calling for a push-back on executive overreach for a long time, and frankly, liberals were doing the same thing back when it was the other guy's executive doing the overreaching.

With Hillary, it would just be more of the same. Conservatives afraid to push back for fear of being labeled sexist or obstructionist. Liberals not interested in rocking the party boat. But with Trump... now there's someone who might be able to unite Congress in a concerted effort to say "we have let this presidency get too big, and we have to put a stop to it." Would anyone object to Congress telling Trump to back off and follow the Constitution? Only the die-hard Trump crazies, who basically want to move on to a monarchy anyway.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/opini...rer-rafael-cruz-opinion-obeidallah/index.html

I cannot get behind someone who believes in conspiracy theories or at least claims to believe in them. The reason no one talks about national enquirer stories is that they are insane fantasy rubbish. I will not vote for Hillary. However, I cannot and will not vote for the guy ranting about Lee Harvey Oswald. I guess I am forced to vote libertarian to register my protest against the two main choices: terrible or crazy.
 
Musburger1 said:
Seriously, is that the best you can do? Whenever you have nothing to say about an issue you default to the equivalent of Putin = Hitler in much the same way that Obama deflected questions by retorting "it's Bush's fault" in response to everything.
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Mus, I was mostly joking around with the Putin comment.
 
ProdigalHorn said:
I'm actually thinking that this is something that might be a reason to vote for Trump. Conservatives have been calling for a push-back on executive overreach for a long time, and frankly, liberals were doing the same thing back when it was the other guy's executive doing the overreaching.

But with Trump... now there's someone who might be able to unite Congress in a concerted effort to say "we have let this presidency get too big, and we have to put a stop to it." Would anyone object to Congress telling Trump to back off and follow the Constitution? Only the die-hard Trump crazies, who basically want to move on to a monarchy anyway.
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I disagree. Most so-called conservatives have proven that they're driven by partisanship more than by principles. They mostly did not complain when the Bush Administration overreached on his executive authority, nor did they complain when he spent money like a drunken sailor. In fact, they mostly lined up to support it. That's one reason why their "sky is falling" rhetoric about Obama rings hollow. If Hillary wins, Republicans will go to war to stop her. If Trump wins, they'll line up behind their party leader in the White House like they did with Bush.

ProdigalHorn said:
With Hillary, it would just be more of the same. Conservatives afraid to push back for fear of being labeled sexist or obstructionist.
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Yes, they'll be afraid, but they'll ultimately try to stop her.
 
Mr. Deez said:
If Trump wins, they'll line up behind their party leader in the White House like they did with Bush.
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I don't think that's true - I mean the core group will. But a lot has changed since the Bush years. The party has some really deep wounds right now, and there are going to be a lot of people who are already not content with the way things went in this election. Add to that the fact that Trump is going to go into office and immediately drop any pretense in pandering to the conservative and/or religious wings of the party and start ticking people off right and left, and I think you'll get an interesting coalition of disgruntled anti-trumpers and democrats.

Trump will alienate enough people in enough areas that he'll build his own opposition consensus.
 
Maybe Trump will be impeached. He will need to have allies in congress to avoid that.
 
Htown77 said:
Maybe Trump will be impeached. He will need to have allies in congress to avoid that.
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This is what makes me think he'll have a tough time finding quality VP candidates who are willing to risk their political futures by hitching their wagons to Trump. Lord knows all presidents get mired in some sort of scandal(s) of varying degrees and if, Donald, as president there will be scandals.
 
Htown77 said:
Maybe Trump will be impeached.
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I wonder if someone like Kasich or Rubio might conclude that the odds of an electoral path to the Oval Office are slim, so the best way to get there is to hitch on to the Trump bandwagon then wait for the Donald to be impeached or resign.
 
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