The future for the Horns' football program

kchorn

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Recently, another poster in this forum compared the Horns' football program to Britney Spears.

Some of us don't keep up with the shenanigans of Ms. Spears, but my impression (from the headlines) is that the point could be this -- the Horns' football progam obviously hit an apex in the the 2005 season (not only did we win the MNC, but we arguably fielded the best major-college football team of all time), and since then we have seen a slow, but increasingly evident, decline in our football fortunes at The University of Texas.

Whatever, here are three "indicators" that the future for the Horns' football program (like Ms. Spears) may be looking less than pristine.

(1) Three-year pattern since Vince - it seems to be going the wrong direction.

In the 2006 football season, the Horns were supposed to "drop off" (how could we not from 2005?), but only to No. 2 in the Country in the preseason polls. Instead, we lost three games -- arguably making a mess of our QB depth in the process -- and finished the season ranked No. 13 in the national polls.

In the 2007 football season, the Horns were supposed to "drop off" a little more than the preseason predictions of the year before, but only to No. 4 in Country. Instead, we again lost three games -- arguably again limiting our opportunities to use our QB depth, at least until the 2007 Holiday Bowl -- and finished the season ranked No. 10 in the national polls (which clearly represents another decline from the preseason projections -- which had listed Texas not only at No. 4 in the Country, but also as the consensus choice to win the Big-12 Conference football title).

In the 2008 football season, we have yet to see the outcome, but the earliest preseason projections have the Horns ranked in the neighborhood of the second-ten (e.g., No. 14) nationally, and as low as fifth in the preseason Big-12 Conference rankings -- behind Missouri, Oklahoma, Kansas and even Tech.

(2) Running Game - the Horns' running game often does not work vs. quality opponents, and there is no indication we intend to fix the problem.

Since the day that Mack & Greg arrived in Austin, the Horns' soft and predictable "one-man" running game (when we use a "passing QB" who does not give Texas a second viable running threat on designed running plays) has failed vs. quality opponents in title games ... in the Horns' 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2006 and 2007 football seasons. It happened again in the past season (2007), when the Texas running game went belly-up -- as Colt McCoy averaged .6 (six-tenths) of a yard-per-carry on the few occasions that he ran with the football -- in our losses to Kansas State, Oklahoma and A&M.

No Mack-coached Texas team, or Stoops-coached Oklahoma team, ever has won the RRS when being out-rushed by its opponent. In the 2007 RRS, some folks in our own camp thought that the Horns "played well" (even though we lost the game) because Texas "out-passed" the Sooners; however, Oklahoma out-rushed the Horns in the game by more than 100 yards.

Texas was back in its predictable "one-man" running-game mode in the 2007 RRS ... and that hasn't worked for us. As Selvin Young put it: "We won (in the Horns' 2005 MNC season) because opposing defenses could not stop two running threats."

There is no indication, with the hiring of Major Applewhite as the Horns' new "Running Backs" coach, that anything will change to make the Horns' one-man running game (with a "passing QB") any more creative or effective than it has been in the past under Greg Davis ... to the contrary, Major reportedly is a "disciple" of GD, despite the fact that when Major was a "passing QB" for Texas, the Horns' running game consistently was wiped out in our key losses ... and we failed to win any Conference football titles (or participate in any BCS-level postseason games) in those days.

Traditionally, The University of Texas football program has experienced its most successful football seasons (in terms of winning Conference titles and participating in BCS-level postseason games) when the Horns can run the football effectively ... usually with a dual-threat QB (e.g., Bobby Layne, Duke Carlisle, James Street, Eddie Phillips, James Brown and Vince Young).

(3) Recruiting - our recent recruiting efforts, since Vince left the premises, arguably have eroded the player-talent advantage that the Horns previously enjoyed during Mack's coaching tenure at Texas.

Since Vince left, Texas has missed (sometimes intentionally - but the negative effect on our player talent is the same) on a number of key blue-chip football recruits in the State of Texas -- e.g., Michael Goodson, Adron Tennell, Emmanuel Moody, Terrance Toliver, Dez Bryant, Lennon Creer, R. J. Washington, Jermie Calhoun, Darryl Stonum and, apparently, Russell Shepard and Craig Loston, if not Jamarkus McFarland.

Meanwhile, some of the top blue-chip players the Horns have signed (since Vince) have been more conspicuous, so far, by their lack of presence (than any accomplishments) on the football field at Texas -- e.g., Henry Melton, Jermichael Finley, Sergio Kindle, Eddie Jones, Jevan Snead, J'Marcus Webb, Andre Jones, Chykie Brown, Malcolm Williams and John Chiles.

The net result since the departure of Vince Young [when you combine the lost blue-chip player talent with the seeming evaporation (so far) of the signed blue-chip player talent] is that Texas arguably is no longer fielding football teams that can out-talent most, if not all, of its opponents ...

... which may be leaving us in a position where Will Muschamp is coaching less-than-great player talent (e.g., at DT and in the secondary), while our offense is utilizing a "passing QB" in an offensive scheme that guts our running game (vs. quality opponents) ... and that offensive scheme (with a "passing QB") never has worked for GD to win a Conference title or participate in a BCS-level postseason game in his entire intercollegiate coaching career spanning three decades.

To top it off, we apparently decided not to recruit Russell Shepard as a QB candidate (at least on the same basis as Garrett Gilbert) -- and let both prospects compete on the merits for playing time at QB for The University of Texas -- and, instead, we seem to have put all of our eggs for the future in another "passing QB" basket ... this one coming off shoulder surgery and apparently no more effective a runner than Colt, and with similar passing-arm strength (or lack thereof) as McCoy.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the Horns' football program down the road.

Hook 'em.
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I'm not a big GD fan and find that our offensive game planning is often lacking against stiffer defenses, but I find your assessment to be lacking b/c it completely ignores the defensive woes that have contributed mightly to our struggles - particularly last year. With Muschamp in command, I expect marked improvement on that side of the ball which will, in turn, help the offense.

Also, I feel the Brittney analogy is a little overboard. Texas, while not having reached its goals, has not exactly hit the skids.
 
And, oh, btw, don't sell Garrett Gilbert short. The guy had a monster year leading his team to the State Championship. He's the top QB prospect in the state, if not the nation.

Sure, it would have been good to get Russell, too. But, if GG is coming to UT, you can't blame Russell for wanting to go elsewhere.

Also, I don't know what it is gonna take to dispell the rumor that GG is a 'Simms-like' pocket-passer and can't run the ball. That's a product of the system that he is running in HS, not his skills. In the games that I have seen him play, he was affective at both scrambling as well as keeping the ball on designed run plays.
 
Didn't you start an almost identical thread a few weeks ago? I get it, you like dual-threat QBs.

If you think that the only way UT can win a conference championship is with a Vince Young type player, we should just give up now. It'll be a long time before we see another player like him. Many teams have won titles with passing-only QBs, and I think it's within our staff to do so.

Also, it's not really the offense that has let us down the last two seasons. It's the defense. Hopefully this problem can be corrected with some BOOM M'Fer.
 
Uh, when you finish at the top there are only 1 outcome if you do not repeat. As mentioned above, the DEFENSE + key injuries hurt Texas. If Colt did not get hurt, we would have played for a BCS game in 2006, in spite of the defensive woes. In 2007, the defense stunk it up again and the offense could not recover. The offense wasn't great, because the o-line was virtually non-existent for a good portion of the season.

This year the defense can't really get any worse as a unit. I am more worried about the o-line.
 
woo-hoo, a well thought out negative post by kchorn in which he glosses over/ignores all the positives over the past three months. i'm glad i now see the light.

ps. i am being sarcastic
 
Appreciate the responses, pro and con.

(1) Blaming the Horns' defense - this is an interesting argument.

Texas is now working with its fifth (5th) Defensive Coordinator during Mack's coaching tenure with the Horns ... and we've had the No. 1 defense in the nation (with Bull Reese) and also have experienced some substantive success defensively with both Greg Robinson and Gene Chizik ...

... but the problem with our running game (vs. quality opponents in key games) has existed under Greg Davis in every UT football season during his coaching tenure -- except when we utilized a QB who provided a second viable running threat on designed running plays -- regardless of the success of the Horns' defense.

For example, the Horns' No. 1-ranked defense held Oklahoma's offense to 7 points in the 2001 RRS, but the Texas offense managed only 3 points in the game ... while rushing (as a team) for 27 yards on 25 carries ... i.e., 1.1 yard-per-carry.

(2) Changes in the Horns' coaching staff - we've tried this approach before.

No matter how well Will Muschamp coaches our defense, we still have Greg Davis (and, now, Major Applewhite -- who purportedly is a GD "disciple") coaching the Horns' running game.

Logically, the Horns' Achilles' Heel remains the same.

(3) Recruiting at QB - in terms of the history of the University of Texas football program, what we've done with "passing QBs" in the past arguably would give us no reason for projecting success (on that basis) with our offense in the future.

The fact that "someone else" (with different players and, perhaps, variations in their offensive schemes -- e.g., Florida in 2006) may have won with a "passing QB" does not obviate the undisputed fact that Mack & Greg "never" have won a Conference title or participated in a postseason bowl game -- in three decades of intercollegiate football coacing -- with an offense utilizing a "passing QB".

Summary: Ignoring the undisputed (imo) fact that the problem exists ... won't help the Horns solve the problem.

Hook 'em.
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Just to clarify, I'm not blaming the 'struggles' of the past 2 years solely on the defense. I'm just saying that any assessment of said struggles without any mention of the defense is lacking. Our pass defense has finished near the bottom of the NCAA for the past two years.

It hasn't exactly been our fault for the DC carousel over the past couple years - two of them left for HC jobs. And, I'm sure hope your not suggesting that we should have stuck with the DC-combo of last year. I'm glad that Mack made the change and believe Muschamp was a helluva hire.

But, I do agree with you on a couple points.

1. Our GD-led offense (sans Vince) has often struggled against better defenses. In 2006, we managed only 7 points against tOSU and Aggies. And while you can't blame the KSU loss on the offense, I would argue that the OU victory was largely due to our defense.

2. I'm also a big fan of a dual-threat QB. Not, because it is requred to win. Just that it is more fun to watch - IMO. I just disagree that the loss of Shepard means the loss of a QB running threat. From what I've seen, GG may not be Vince, but he will be able to keep defenses honest.

I appreciate the off-season banter.
 
Enough already with the "shouder surgery" reference to Gilbert. All indications are that his shoulder will be bertter than ever.
 
Thanks, The Horn Identity - appreciate your observations, which (imo) are remarkably thoughtful.

As you have intimated, a little misdirection in the Horns' running game never hurt anybody. There are a lot of different ways to do it, and all some of us would like to see is the UT offensive coaches producing some creative running-game schemes ... that fit our QB situation, whatever it is ... and doing something constructive to fix the running-game problem at Texas.

That, given the fact that the running-game problem (excepting Vince) has existed now for a decade at Texas under Greg Davis ... does not seem like a lot to ask.

As for the current QB recruiting situation, the issue (imo) is not choosing between Garrett Gilbert and Russell Shepard ... it's the remarkable decision to recruit Shepard on a different basis than the way we recruited Gilbert -- instead of giving "both" Shepard and Gilbert the same opportunity to compete (on the merits, on the football field) for playing time at QB for The University of Texas.

All we had to do was give both prospects the same opportunity to compete in The University of Texas football program, and then let the best man earn the playing time at QB for the Horns on the merits.

Again, that does not seem like a lot to ask.

Hook 'em.
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Mack Brown has never won a title game with a black kicker. So we should never get a black kicker. Pete Carroll has never won a title game against Texas, so he should just quit. Bob Stoops has never stopped kicking puppies, so he should get a cat.

That is virtually the same argument as the never won a conf. title with a passing QB.
 
Regarding RS, you are presuming:

1. That our coaching staff did not tell him that he would get a chance at QB if he chose. Every player that I have ever talked to has said that when he got here he was allowed to play where he chose, but the staff was honest with him regarding where they felt was his best chance to see the field. and;

2. That RS would have committed if mack and the coaches had "recruited him as a QB."
 
kchorn excellent post and thanks for your input.

i share your concern with our lack of emphasis with the running game. i am also not convinced that we can win any championships with a single dimensional passing offense in big games.

while watching the fiesta bowl with pat white ripping up the sooners, i thought jc could easily do the same in the rrs come October.working in JC at qb along with colt is key for our success next fall.

can JC be developed enough this spring and summer to be an effective passer? I like the extra leverage he brings to the offense.
 
Meanwhile, some of the top blue-chip players the Horns have signed (since Vince) have been more conspicuous, so far, by their lack of presence (than any accomplishments) on the football field at Texas -- e.g., Henry Melton, Jermichael Finley, Sergio Kindle, Eddie Jones, Jevan Snead, J'Marcus Webb, Andre Jones, Chykie Brown, Malcolm Williams , and John Chiles.
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Give me a freaking break. This guy red shirted last year, and from all the reports I've read, Malcom will make a splash in 2008.
 
Muschamp's defense at Auburn held teams to under 10 points a game. Do we have better talent than Auburn? Yes.

Can a Greg Davis offense score at least 10 points a game? Yes.

I think things might be better than you think. I do agree that we need to outrush our opponents, and have not ever been a Greg Davis fan...
 
Basically we need to restock on offensive lineman and not be so predictable on offense. If we could just fix those 2 things everything would take care of itself and we would roll over everyone.
 
I've been one of Greg Davis' harhest critics, and agree with your premise that our offense underperforms (more so than most top tier teams) against quality opponents minus Vince Young.

However, Greg Davis' offense are at least consistantly in the Top 10 or 20. Last season's defense was so bad, I came to appreciate the competency of Greg Davis.

Regarding Shepard, he'll make a great receiver for LSU. However, he's not a dual-threat QB (<50% completion % in high school & <1,000 yards passing each year), but an option QB. Unless you want Mack to tell our 15 receivers that they're going to be blocking, then we should all be happy in Shepard's decision.
 
You always make this same tired observation about not winning with a "passing quarterback." You claim to mean dual threat QB, becuase, obviously, VY was a great passer as well as runner.

Two points. First, as someone pointed out already, your analysis of previous quarterbacks at Texas is flawed. Street was not much of a passer, nor Layne much of a runner. Not to mention that it is asinine to compare across 3 eras and totally different offenses to come up with a generalization.

Secondly, if you do mean dual threat - Colt is a fine runer, above average. To act like he is helplessly sitting back there in the pocket like Major or Sims is either disingenuous or poor analysis. Now, granted, he is no VY - but no one is, he's a once a generation player. By all accounts, GIlbert is a decent runner as well.

Now, if what you want is a run first, pass second quarterback, we do not have that - but VY was not that either. We didn't start rolling with him until he started to become a great passer. And no team has won the MNC without the threat of a viable passing game in over a decade.
 
The decline the last two years is a direct result of the lesser talented recruiting classes in the 2-3 years before the national title. I believe this year we will finally start seeing some of those guys we got after the NC so we'll see. If we continue to lose 2-3 games a year then yeah we are in trouble. I'm of the belief that we will lose 2-3 games each season as long as Colt is starting. At least if he doesn't improve in terms of his decision making and ball security both of which were awful at times and average when he was at his best. If he shows great strides we'll see all the talent we recruited in the years after the NC pay off. If not we'll be in the holiday/cotton/alamo bowl the next 2 years.
 
Very good points KCHorn the facts are facts though most do not want to see them.
It will be interesting to see how Sheppard does at LSU.[most think Miles can not coach].
B. Layne was a very good runner untill Cherry installed the T formation the Blond Bommer was after he was a pro IMO.
So recruiting fell of resulting in last two seasons records. Mr. Feburary losing his title.

As for as saying Ricky ran so good which he did it was with J. Mac. line and maybe some of his plays.
Do not worry Mack will get his 10 wins with same old offense.
 

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