The failure to play Buechele

[ViperHorn]

Is it possible that Shane has expressed a desire to transfer?

That could be the reason for his last hurrah at DKR (all 3 plays). The only question seems to be where does he land? PAC 12 (if he wants to sit out a year) would be the natural choice with Stanford as a leading contender. FCS (Eastern Washington) if he wants to play next season.

Only question is how bad does Herman want to screw him over with conditions.

 

[zuckercanyon]

I'll throw in that I doubt Buechele excels anywhere in a power 5 program. Lack of mobility without a top notch o-line will get you killed here, at UCLA, at Michigan, etc. Not that Ehlinger kills it on throwing ability, reading defenses etc. Neither of these players are "the one". It seems that's true for a lot of the positions on the field. I could go down a list of our highly regarded players who seem to get fooled more often than they should (defense). The d has improved seemingly better than the offense but I feel it's a 6-6 defense combined with a 6-6 offense. Kicker who was/is suspect with a punter (when you can't get first downs) who can flip the field on you in a blink. I will be shocked if next year has a 3-4 win improvement. I'll be frustrated along with everyone else but will try to keep reminding myself that Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

[X Misn Tx]

I know people want to be right on here. They see something they don't like and attribute it to that thing because they don't like it.

I think it's hard to win games with that many turnovers, regardless of the plan or the coaching. But we did keep it close/were winning and you have to be able to scheme to success, which includes personnel.

I do blame coaching some for Sam's turnovers because they aren't new behaviors. But Sam also has to take blame because he did not have to throw those interceptions. None of them were required.

Shane couldn't have done much worse over the course of the game. As confident as Sam is, they should have given Shane some 2nd half shots. It would have been fine.

 

[ViperHorn]

He is very much in the same situation Strong was with Watson and Mack Brown was with Manny Diaz. Does he make a change while there is still time?

It is also obvious to me that Applewhite as OC was a huge part of Herman’s success at
U of H just like he made the offense still mostly work with Case McCoy in 2013.

I'll throw in that I doubt Buechele excels anywhere in a power 5 program. Lack of mobility without a top notch o-line will get you killed here, at UCLA, at Michigan, etc. Not that Ehlinger kills it on throwing ability, reading defenses etc. Neither of these players are "the one". It seems that's true for a lot of the positions on the field. I could go down a list of our highly regarded players who seem to get fooled more often than they should (defense). The d has improved seemingly better than the offense but I feel it's a 6-6 defense combined with a 6-6 offense. Kicker who was/is suspect with a punter (when you can't get first downs) who can flip the field on you in a blink. I will be shocked if next year has a 3-4 win improvement. I'll be frustrated along with everyone else but will try to keep reminding myself that Rome wasn't built in a day.

Disagree. Shane would be the starter at any B1G or PAC-12 school. His arm and knowledge of the game is that good. Herman wants a different type of QB and was willing to risk the season to get Sam experience. Sam has a long way to go before next September.

What will be interesting is how Herman handles the QB's in the Spring and fall practices. If he plays the mind games with Sam like he did with Shane, we might be seen another freshman starting next season (worse case).

 

[BigBull]

[QUOTE=" Shane would be the starter at any B1G or PAC-12 school.
[/QUOTE]

Yes he is much better than the OU and OSU QB's!

Thread has Crossed into crazyland....

 

[SabreHorn]

The backup QB may not be the answer, but a starter, who holds the ball too long, can't read a defense, has arguably the best WR corp in P5, but can't throw a ten yard fade or a 30 yard deep ball, sure as hell isn't, particularly with ZERO coaching.

As I watched the OU game, I made the statement that the either the kid from Cali-prune-ya or Thompson would start that game next year. Nothing since has changed my mind.

As for Shane playing elsewhere, he's better than what Michigan will put on the field today.

 

[moondog_LFZ]

Yes he is much better than the OU and OSU QB's!

That's not what the quote you are referring to stated.

 

[BigBull]

That's not what the quote you are referring to stated.

OK. What conference does B1G refer to Then?

 

[SabreHorn]

Yes he is much better than the OU and OSU QB's!

I admit that being laid up after my surgery I have missed some things, but I scheduled my surgery and recovery around our football schedule, and managed to get to the Kansas game, as well as that debacle last night.

Did I really miss Mobilehoma and Okie Lite moving to the BigTen?

 

[zuckercanyon]

When/if Shane transfers to another power 5 school, we'll see the results. I'll root for Shane to do well elsewhere, but won't be optimistic. Inability to escape the rush (seemingly, maybe due to injury?) will require great offensive line play in order for Shane to succeed.

 

[militaryhorn]

OK. What conference does B1G refer to Then?

Don't take this wrong, but you lost all credibility with me on this post. How do you not know that B1G is referencing the Big Ten?

 

[Chinstrap]

Shane:
-better game manager
-cool under fire
-reads defenses better
-accurate passer
-gets ball out faster
-throws much better deep ball
-twice as much game experience

Sam:
-better runner
-throws balls up in the air for picks
-short on game experience since high school
-“favorite son” status with Tom

Texas does not have the line play for a run game.
So put in the running “favorite son” quarterback and lose. Actually if the quarterback run is the focus of the offense there is a better ex-quarterback on the team than Sam for running the ball.

I fear that Tom has the same hardheaded quarterback dilemma as did “the Mack”. He better get honest about Sam’s limitations or he will be rolling downhill to the firing squad. It’s time to stop trying to cover for him.....he ain’t ready. And it is totally unfair to the rest of the team being sacrificed for the development of Sam. Bad personnel decisions are death traps (Sam, Porter on power runs, running game away from Conner.) Sometimes it looks like they do not want success.

Tom and Beck or not looking too bright right now.

 

[Htown77]

Shane would be the starter at any B1G or PAC-12 school. His arm and knowledge of the game is that good. Herman wants a different type of QB and was willing to risk the season to get Sam experience. Sam has a long way to go before next September.

^ 100% agree with this. Herman wants to run the Urban Meyer/Dan Mullen offense. If you have top level talent, you can run any offense you want. If you do not have top level talent (we do not), you have to adjust your gameplan.

We faced a team with an average run defense and no pass defense/pass rush. Unsurprisingly, a poorly managed/called Meyer/Mullen offense did not put up more than 23 points. We had the WRs and QB to run an all out air attack and mix in runs to our RBs. We generally did not try it or when we did, the run first QB made mistakes.

 

[Pomspoms]

Shane:
-better game manager
-cool under fire
-reads defenses better
-accurate passer
-gets ball out faster
-throws much better deep ball
-twice as much game experience

Sam:
-better runner
-throws balls up in the air for picks
-short on game experience since high school
-“favorite son” status with Tom

Texas does not have the line play for a run game.
So put in the running “favorite son” quarterback and lose. Actually if the quarterback run is the focus of the offense there is a better ex-quarterback on the team than Sam for running the ball.

I fear that Tom has the same hardheaded quarterback dilemma as did “the Mack”. He better get honest about Sam’s limitations or he will be rolling downhill to the firing squad. It’s time to stop trying to cover for him.....he ain’t ready. And it is totally unfair to the rest of the team being sacrificed for the development of Sam. Bad personnel decisions are death traps (Sam, Porter on power runs, running game away from Conner.) Sometimes it looks like they do not want success.

Tom and Beck or not looking too bright right now.

Very good post that hits the nail on the head.

 

[Godz40acres]

I'm confident that next year's freshman quarterback will have "The IT Factor." After all, Shane had it last year as a frosh, but mysteriously lost it; and Sam had it this season. We should be in good hands once again next season with the new guy.

 

[militaryhorn]

I'm confident that next year's freshman quarterback will have "The IT Factor." After all, Shane had it last year as a frosh, but mysteriously lost it; and Sam had it this season. We should be in good hands once again next season with the new guy.

 

[Statalyzer]

On the 2 consecutive possession where he rolled out to the right and threw the ball away on 3 straight plays, I turned to the guys in my section and said- "Sam's not all there right now".

He threw it away on those plays to avoid exactly what everyone's pissed at him for doing on our final drive.

Shane has only been stopped by penalties.
He didn't lose to Maryland. The defense did.

Our offense put up 14 points while the game was in doubt.

And the win against ISU looked pretty damn good after what they did to OU and others.

Yes it did - on the defensive side.

Tech made a QB change in the 2nd half and we didn't- one of the key differences in the outcome to this game.

Not remotely comparable. Tech inexplicably and rather stupidly benched their guy who had been the clear-cut starter and clear-cut better player all year long, and then finally reversed that decision, almost too late.

 

[nashhorn]

Tech inexplicably and rather stupidly benched their guy

Lots of Tech fans would disagree with your assessment. They were not fans of his and glad to see the replacement. Not saying they are unhappy with the results but those around me were vocal about their disdain when the change was made.

 

[Htown77]

He threw it away on those plays to avoid exactly what everyone's pissed at him for doing on our final drive

Actually, he had wide open WRs on two of those plays that were not difficult passes to make. He looked at them, inexplicably hesitated, then threw it out of bounds for no reason. No defending those decisions. Those were NOT good throwaways. It almost seemed like he hated completing passes and making first downs and decided he would rather throw it out of bounds.

 

[Statalyzer]

Lots of Tech fans would disagree with your assessment. They were not fans of his and glad to see the replacement.

Naturally. Fans always think the backup is better when the team is disappointing.

Actually, he had wide open WRs on two of those plays that were not difficult passes to make.

Sure you aren't mixing that up with the play Burt was briefly open in the end zone?

 

[nashhorn]

Naturally. Fans always think the backup is better when the team is disappointing.

Ya think? Not Hornfans though.

 

[Creek]

Buechele is 2nd string because he is the 2nd best QB. Not that Ehlinger is the answer, but he isn't bad for a true freshman.
When you run game is horrible your gonna have to pass a lot which leads to interceptions.
Which game did Boo excel in, because I can't remember?

 

[wadster]

Buechele is 2nd string because he is the 2nd best QB. Not that Ehlinger is the answer, but he isn't bad for a true freshman.
When you run game is horrible your gonna have to pass a lot which leads to interceptions.
Which game did Boo excel in, because I can't remember?

It's the late game collapses. 4 of them that cost us 4 games. I get the USC fumble. They happen unfortunately. But OSU and last night were inexcusable.

 

[Creek]

Well Ehlinger outplayed Mayfield at the RRS and Mayfield is allegedly a God according to ESPN and Fox and every other stiff they bring out. I had heard a rumor that in the WVA game that Ehilnger posted the highest QBR since here since 2013. So y'all need to put your lanterns and pitchforks back in the shed.

 

[Horngal12]

Coach told the media before the Tech game that he starts Ellinger because he is like Tim Tebow...

Well Mr. Ellinger: you ain't no Tim Tebow.

I hate to break the news to Herman but Tebow was one of the most accurate passers in the country behind Colt and Bradford. All were over 70%. Most of the year Sam was in the low 50s and the other night he was below that.

To me he is more like Blake Bell than Tim Tebow. Bell was a good battering ram in short yardage and goal line but when they had to start him and play him all game it didn't work out. If Herman is smart he should start Shane and bring Sam in on short yardage and goal line until Shane leaves the program. Then hopefully he will have brought in another prospect.

 

[Galvestonhorn]

It's going to be nice having 2 back up QB's with experience next year when Thompson gets here to run this offense like it's meant to be run.

 

[Phil Elliott]

has arguably the most over-rated WR corp in P5

FIFY.

 

[ShAArk92]

Texas does not have the line play for a run game.

The rest of this post is really good .... but this point.

If I may ... and I may ... ....

Texas does not have the SCHEME for a run game. one hand can account for the number of run formations with run blocking.

99.997823621% of the time ... we run out of a pass block scheme. This is why we don't attack the LOS with a run game (ours or anyone else's! ) ... our ball carrier is doing the shuffle after getting the ball flat footed ... before FINALLY looking to move toward the LOS (rarely directly at it)

Since Williams returned, I have a real challenge understanding why we didn't run behind him ... even use Warren as a lead blocker for Young ... pull the R Guard ... IDK ... but our blocking scheme is "belly rub" ... hands on hips ... not in the grass with the fire ants.

I'm becoming disgusted with the game if this is what it's going to be.

Flea Flickers to start the game ... to cheers and glee ... the flight of the ball.

Ughh ... this place needs an enema.

 

[Phil Elliott]

Shane:
-better game manager
-cool under fire
-reads defenses better
-accurate passer
-gets ball out faster
-throws much better deep ball
-twice as much game experience

This must have come from Shane's mom since you only listed positive attributes for Shane and only 1 positive and the rest negative for Sam. There's a lot more going on here than the coaches playing a dud over a super-star because they are stupid, which is what you seem to be saying.

 

[Chinstrap]

Coach told the media before the Tech game that he starts Ellinger because he is like Tim Tebow...

Well Mr. Ellinger: you ain't no Tim Tebow.

I hate to break the news to Herman but Tebow was one of the most accurate passers in the country behind Colt and Bradford. All were over 70%. Most of the year Sam was in the low 50s and the other night he was below that.

To me he is more like Blake Bell than Tim Tebow. Bell was a good battering ram in short yardage and goal line but when they had to start him and play him all game it didn't work out. If Herman is smart he should start Shane and bring Sam in on short yardage and goal line until Shane leaves the program. Then hopefully he will have brought in another prospect.

He could be a Tebow, someday. He is a very talented competitor who happens to be a freshman trying too hard with dumb and costly mustakes. He simply is not ready between the ears.

By forcing him on the team and fanbase they are setting him up for more failure and it puts him in a bad place. When coaches fear quarterback controversy and try to protect their favorite quarterback over another they end up hurting both. It is understandable to bring a true freshman along slowly and give him time to develope. But when he is put in situations where he repeats game losing mistakes like he did last Friday, fans and some of his teamnates are going to turn on him. It really isn’t fair to him, but allowing these mistakes isn’t fair to the team either.

Sam needs to make better decisions. Each time he has thrown a pass up for grabs with an interception Tom says it won’t happen again. Then it does. Not good enough. It is time to ride the pine and grow up. He can be great, but getting repeated forgiveness for these mistakes is unacceptable and will not make him better.

Texas has two very fine young men at quarterback who are good enough, if and when the rest of the offense, including coaching, steps up. There is no need to cause either one to fail or give reason to transfer. Perhaps fans and coaches should learn from what happened 90 miles down the road when three quality QB’s walked. That happens when open and fair competion is not honored. Mack repeatedly passed on future NFL quartebacks in recruiting because of fear of potential quarterback competition. He lost a chance to play for a MNC when he stayed with Simms too long against CO in the B-12 championship. (His biggest downfall might have been his failure to manage the quarterback position.)

Over the years programs with great runs usually managed the quarterback position with development and planned transition.