The failure to play Buechele

Htown77

Htown77

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I do not understand this coaching staff. They wasted a time out against OU to pull Buechele and play Ehlinger. With less than a minute left against OU, and OU not rushing, we play Ehlinger instead of Buechele and take the loss.

Today, Ehlinger was completely ineffective in the second half. Buechele got one series that was derailed by a penalty and never played again. Ehlinger throws a pick. I think “surely they will look at needing a passer for the 2 minute drill, see how ineffective Sam has been and play Buechele.” No, they said “we are going to stick with Ehlinger and take the loss.”

Tech has an average run defense and one of the worst pass defenses and pass rushes in the country. Statically, everything said “let Buechele pick them apart.” Ehlinger’s ineffectivenes said “play Buechele.” Our coaches said “no, it is better for Ehlinger to go back out there and lose another game on a pick.”

This is not good coaching. Against Tech in 03, Mack Brown played Chance Mock instead of an ineffective Vince Young to win the game. Herman and Beck either apparently have inferior coaching abilities or would rather stubbornly take the loss. My confidence in this staff is low moving forward.
 
Buechele had a QBR against TCU of 26. And he looked like crap against West Va. And against Iowa St. He looked good in one game this year and that was Maryland, and we lost. Ehlinger is our leading rusher on this team.
Unfortunately Buechele is worse man.
 
1. Buechele did not look bad against WVU.

2. TCU has by far the best defense in the Big 12, far better than any other we faced all year.

3. Iowa State had the #2 defense in the Big 12 and Buechele won that game.

4. Tech had an average run defense and a TERRIBLE pass defense and pass rush. You play your PASSING QB against that. Not your running QB. You especially do not let the running QB who just threw a pick and has a tendency to lose games with bad decisions try and run the 2 minute offense at the end.
 
Buechelle is the better QB. Sam is the better runner. Shane wins this game tonight easily. The defense gift wrapped this game for the offense. Sam didn't read defenses, didn't find the open receiver, and was late on his throws and underthrew open receivers. Sam's poor play, especially the final two ints, cost the game. Pure and simple.
 
I have remained fairly neutral in this QB debate this year but I think it is ridiculous that Shane didn't get a chance in the 2nd half. To say that Sam was ineffective is an understatement? Am I the only one that thought he got banged up again and might have had his bell rung. On the 2 consecutive possession where he rolled out to the right and threw the ball away on 3 straight plays, I turned to the guys in my section and said- "Sam's not all there right now". The way this season has gone I won't be surprised to hear that he is in concussion protocol next week. I just don't believe in my heart we would have lost this game with Buechele in the 2nd half.
 
Creek said:
Buechele had a QBR against TCU of 26. And he looked like crap against West Va. And against Iowa St. He looked good in one game this year and that was Maryland, and we lost. Ehlinger is our leading rusher on this team.
Unfortunately Buechele is worse man.
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TCU would have had 5 ints against Sam. TCU is the best defense in the b12, hands down. Sam is a nice runner; not a good QB. He is not an adequate, much less, above average QB for this level play. If you're gonna run the wishbone, Sam is your man. If you're gonna run the veer, Sam is your man.

If your gonna run a modern passing offense, Shane is you're best choice, hands down. Shane can read defenses adequately, audible, pass accurately. He is an adequate runner. He is an above average passer.

The defense played a whale of a game, gift rapped great field position for the offense. Sam did nothing with it. Sam throws two ints late that lost the game.

Shane was screwed tonight by TH. Shane should have replaced Sam in the middle of the third quarter. Sam was ineffective and then he loses the game in the last two minutes. How many times do you need Sam to demonstrate that he is not trustworthy in big situations.
 
Two favorite players and both I can only guess don't do well in practice, Boo and Warren. I just don't get it, you need a power runner and you run San or Porter, huh?
Think I'll skip the bowl now and just watch on TV unless we play someone with a defense like Kansas.
 
Who starts the bowl game? Or more importantly, who finishes? In the 2nd half, Tech put both safeties in the box and we never made them pay. Not once. Once Sam threw a great pass and Johnson let up on the ball a bit and miss read it. Another time Johnson was wide open for a TD and Sam didn't even keep it in play. Someone else dropped a TD in the right flat. Just so many mistakes in the passing game. Watching Texas is kind of like watching the Cowboys. No receivers can get separation. No stars making big time plays. Just a bunch of below average guys making below average plays.
 
Creek said:
Buechele had a QBR against TCU of 26. And he looked like crap against West Va. And against Iowa St. He looked good in one game this year and that was Maryland, and we lost. Ehlinger is our leading rusher on this team.
Unfortunately Buechele is worse man.
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How stupid! The only thing that stopped Shane in the WV game was penalties, which he still almost overcame and the only thing that stopped Shane tonight was penalties and Tom Herman. With Shane we win this game easily and even with CW running the ball on the goal line we win this game easily.

As far as I'm concerned, Tom can go too. NO way Mack loses a game like this. I don't even think Charlie would have found a way to lose it.
 
nashhorn said:
Two favorite players and both I can only guess don't do well in practice, Boo and Warren. I just don't get it, you need a power runner and you run San or Porter, huh?
Think I'll skip the bowl now and just watch on TV unless we play someone with a defense like Kansas.
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Why would anyone pay to watch this crap. Hell, if the winds are down and it's during the day, I fish over watching this crap. I wasted 5 hours watching BBall and FB get trashed. Why on earth do we keep wasting our time thinking this time it will change. At least the BBall team is fun to watch. We had some spectacular dunks. There is nothing fun about watching the FB team play. Even when we win, I'm not happy. Just relieved. It's death by a thousand cuts watching this FB team.
 
caryhorn said:
TCU would have had 5 ints against Sam. TCU is the best defense in the b12, hands down. Sam is a nice runner; not a good QB. He is not an adequate, much less, above average QB for this level play. If you're gonna run the wishbone, Sam is your man. If you're gonna run the veer, Sam is your man.

If your gonna run a modern passing offense, Shane is you're best choice, hands down. Shane can read defenses adequately, audible, pass accurately. He is an adequate runner. He is an above average passer.

The defense played a whale of a game, gift rapped great field position for the offense. Sam did nothing with it. Sam throws two ints late that lost the game.

Shane was screwed tonight by TH. Shane should have replaced Sam in the middle of the third quarter. Sam was ineffective and then he loses the game in the last two minutes. How many times do you need Sam to demonstrate that he is not trustworthy in big situations.
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But Sam practices better and has a poster of TH on his wall.
 
I just cannot get over the fact that Sam threw that pick. It's mind boggling. After the fumble in LA, after the OT pick vs OSU, after the idiotic pick against WVA my gosh, does he not comprehend football 101? The answer is obviously "no." And didn't we all sense that it was coming?

Knowing his highly predictable propensity for game-changing turnovers, perhaps he should not have been playing late in the 4th quarter. You think?

If one player keeps making mistakes that lose games for you, it shouldn't take a Mensa member to make an adjustment.
 
wadster said:
Who starts the bowl game? Or more importantly, who finishes? In the 2nd half, Tech put both safeties in the box and we never made them pay. Not once. Once Sam threw a great pass and Johnson let up on the ball a bit and miss read it. Another time Johnson was wide open for a TD and Sam didn't even keep it in play. Someone else dropped a TD in the right flat. Just so many mistakes in the passing game. Watching Texas is kind of like watching the Cowboys. No receivers can get separation. No stars making big time plays. Just a bunch of below average guys making below average plays.
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I like our receivers. I would like to know how our receivers compare to other teams in terms of dropped balls. I can see where they could be taught better fundamentals in certain situations.
 
Run Pincher said:
How stupid! The only thing that stopped Shane in the WV game was penalties, which he still almost overcame and the only thing that stopped Shane tonight was penalties and Tom Herman. With Shane we win this game easily and even with CW running the ball on the goal line we win this game easily.

As far as I'm concerned, Tom can go too. NO way Mack loses a game like this. I don't even think Charlie would have found a way to lose it.
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Buechele had a QBR of 31 against lowly Kansas. What game has Buechele done well this year? Because I can't remember.
 
Creek said:
Buechele had a QBR of 31 against lowly Kansas. What game has Buechele done well this year? Because I can't remember.
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If a 68% completion rate, 250 yrds passing 1 td and 1 interception, 42 pnts and winning when the defense decided not to show up is a 31 QBR I'll take it over what I saw 2nite. That certainly wins the game 2nite. Since you're such an expect at QBR's and how meaningful they are, what was Sam's QBR 2nite?
 
Let’s face it, we don’t have a QB worthy of being a starter. We also are THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS and we can’t get an OL for the past 7 years. How the hell does this even happen? How can we get 3 tries and can’t get a one foot for a TD? Why don’t we have a goal line package with the QB behind the center? How can we not get a decent punt returner to just catch the friggin football? Why does our OC call many more plays from sideline to sideline and not more downfield?

Tom Herman said during the spring “IF YOU WANT TO BE GREAT......THEN BE GREAT! Obviously the only player on our team that wants to be great is our punter.
 
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Who starts the bowl game?
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Herman has made it clear that Ehlinger is playing no matter what so hopefully we play UTSA in the Heart of Dallas Bowl. I think Herman, Beck and Ehlinger can probably take the Roadrunners.
 
I think almost all of you are crazy. There's one certain thing I know and that's the backup qb isn't the answer. All year long we've made excuses for this offensive offense by saying the other guy would have won the game....the other qb, the other rb, the other lineman, the tight end, blah, blah, blah. This offense plain sucks and the players aren't the problem. They play the games how they are coached.
 
Htown77 said:
Herman has made it clear that Ehlinger is playing no matter what so hopefully we play UTSA in the Heart of Dallas Bowl. I think Herman, Beck and Ehlinger can probably take the Roadrunners.
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You have more confidence in this entire abomination than do I...
 
wadster said:
Can Sam bail to the left just once. Just once to keep the D a bit honest.
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I get your point; but to be honest the three times I remember him bailing to the left resulted in 1) the int last night that lost the game; 2) the int last week against wvu; 3) the int against osu that lost the game.
 
Creek said:
Buechele had a QBR against TCU of 26. And he looked like crap against West Va. And against Iowa St. He looked good in one game this year and that was Maryland, and we lost. Ehlinger is our leading rusher on this team.
Unfortunately Buechele is worse man.
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Shane has only been stopped by penalties.
He didn't lose to Maryland. The defense did.
He looked fine against WVU until 2 penalties killed the drive.
And the win against ISU looked pretty damn good after what they did to OU and others.
Same against TTech.
Herman said after that he thought about putting Shane in but rythme is so important for a QB and Shane would come in cold.
Maybe you should give Shane the opportunity to develop some rythme rather than pulling him after one drive.
Why can our opponents insert new, even freshman, QBs into the game and kick our ***?
Shane should start and finish the bowl game.
Sam should ride the pine and think about ball protection.
And Beck should be let go immediately after the bowl if not before.
 
Vol Horn 4 Life said:
I think almost all of you are crazy. There's one certain thing I know and that's the backup qb isn't the answer. All year long we've made excuses for this offensive offense by saying the other guy would have won the game....the other qb, the other rb, the other lineman, the tight end, blah, blah, blah. This offense plain sucks and the players aren't the problem. They play the games how they are coached.
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I agree with most of this but I also agree with what a few others said about taking advantages of your matchups and attacking the defense through the air as the pass defense is just awful. In that case yes this should have been Shane’s game. I like both guys and I’m okay with playing both you just have to scheme it right and not allow it to get to predictable which was a huge problem with this offensive staff everybody knew what was coming and it never got fixed
 
Vol Horn 4 Life said:
This offense plain sucks and the players aren't the problem. They play the games how they are coached.
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"This offensive game plan sucks." True

"The players aren't the problem." Disagree

The buck stops at Herman. Period. If the game plan sucks, change it. If you're OC can't call a decent game, use someone else. And why the H is Porter playing in short yardage situations? Finally, if you know that your QB goes brain dead in crunch time -- because you've seen it over and over and over again, then pull him, or call plays that he can't screw up.

Ultimately Ehlinger blew the game, but he should never have had the opportunity to do so.
 
Vol Horn 4 Life said:
I think almost all of you are crazy. There's one certain thing I know and that's the backup qb isn't the answer. All year long we've made excuses for this offensive offense by saying the other guy would have won the game....the other qb, the other rb, the other lineman, the tight end, blah, blah, blah. This offense plain sucks and the players aren't the problem. They play the games how they are coached.
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I think there is something to this.
 
  1. I truly do not care who plays quarterback. Both of our current candidates have attributes and both have drawbacks. Given that, I don't understand the reticence on the part of Herman to remove Ehlinger in the second half. Unlike some other games this year, he was not getting it done, and absolutely everyone could see that. Buechele might not have gotten it done either, but we'll never know now.
  2. My memory is not perfect, but I cannot come up with a list of games that we were actually on the verge of winning that were lost due to a late mistake by Buechele. There are at least 3 this year alone by Ehlilnger (USC, OSU, and Tech). In addition, that Pick 6 he threw against WV was at a point in the game when the result was still in doubt, and could have cost us the game.
  3. I recognize that some would say that we would not have been in position to win those games had Sam not played--but once again there is no way to know that, since Buechele did not play any meaningful time in those games. (admittedly, he was apparently unavailable at the USC game). And, the truth is that Ehlinger's play is clearly NOT the reason we were in the game against OSU-- we managed only one TD that game (and that was due to an unbelievable tight-rope act by our receiver). And, 2 of our scores last night were clearly due to tremendous field position following turn-overs.
  4. I believe that Sam's major benefit is that he is mobile, very strong, and a good runner. If you blitz, he can burn you. Buechele appears to me to be a more accurate passer, and one who does not make as many questionable throwing decisions. Given that, I'm mystified why we didn't at least try Buechele against a team with a reputation for weak pass defense. Perhaps they would have blitzed effectively and we wouldn't have been able to adequately protect, but once again, we'll never know.
  5. I fear that Buechele will transfer out--and I fear that Ehlinger has proven that he is unlikely to learn the lesson he needs to learn--protect the ball at critical points of games that we are in position to win.
 
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