Texas vs Houston In The CBI

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Isn't that special, we pay $35,000 to go play UH.


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It's just saying we have both accepted bids here, but it is being widely reported on other sources this is the game we start at in the this classic.

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We aren't poor like A&M, Maryland and other schools that can't finance their athletic departments. We have the money. Why not let our athletes in any sport plays as many games as they can possibly play?
 
Where are all the Barnes' apologists who ridiculed everyone last year? Where are the people who asked, "Who would you hire?" Where are the people who reminded us of the Weltlich era?

Oh yeah, they're on the football board defending Mack.
 
Well, we missed out being one of the Top 64, and then missed out being in the
second group (Top 32), so if we win the CBI we can claim "We're # 97!!!".
And if we lose, we will be out of the Top 100.
 
1. the 16 seeds are probably not top 100 teams.

2. Not a single team from Texas made the NCAA tournament. Face the facts, WE ARE NOT A BASKETBALL STATE. The "who would you hire?" argument is legitimate. What other coach can bring in talent like Kevin Durant from out of state and give us a shot? Not any coach that wants to come here. Texas is not a basketball power. Texas basketball does not have the same prestige Texas football or baseball does. Texas basketball is slightly better than Indiana football. We can demand excellence in basketball all we want but it doesn't mean anything since the best athletes in our state all play football or baseball. All we can ask for is a coach that can somehow convince out of state athletes to come play for a school where people don't care that much about their sport. Rick Barnes does that. He is easily the best basketball coach in our school's history and probably will be the best unless our state starts to care about the sport more.

3. I would be surprised if this tournament does not come down to Texas and Purdue. Purdue is much better than their record indicates.
 
Take a moment to think about the fact we are 10-1 versus instate opponents this year with our only loss being at baylor in overtime without Kabongo. We probably had the best basketball program in this state this season. What does that say?
 
Last year we spend over $8.1 million on our men's basketball program. I'll make a pretty safe assumption that we spent at least that much this year, but probably more so let's be safe and say $8.1 million this year.

That number translates to over $506,000 per victory. We aren't a basketball school so that's ok.

I bet the program could donate $6million to a general student scholarship fund every year, spend $2.1 million which is still more than most and get 10-12 wins anyway. Why not?
 
NOT A BASKETBALL STATE? Maybe 25 years ago. The last few years Texas has produced many top level players. Barnes just does not recruit them. They prefer Kentucky.

Texas HS players occupy the 3,4 and 5 best player positions in this years Scout recruiting list.
 
What (or where) is the AXS Network? Is this being broadcaset in Germany? The last Axis I remember got beat - Italy, Germany, and then Japan....
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Even Aggy baled on taking part in this tourney or whatever it is. I guess they figured even they couldn't sell this
t-shirt like the big NIT one they had a few years ago.

So did Arkansas, LSU, and Oregon State.

But hey we are the first Big Twelve school to ever take
part in the classic. I wonder why?
 
This state is such a basketball state that it produced zero NCAA tournament teams this year. The best football talent comes from Texas. The best basketball talent comes from the northeast. Why? Its because the best athletes in Texas play football and the best athletes in the northeast play basketball.

Kids grow up dreaming of playing basketball for Kansas, Kentucky, North Carolina, etc. Kids group up dreaming of playing football and baseball at Texas. Does anyone grow up dreaming of playing basketball at Texas? Hardly anyone.

Throwing money at it doesn't change the fact Texas basketball is not prestigious. Does money help? Of course money helps, but money by itself is not enough. SMU throws plenty of money at their football team. Unless they start cheating again, they aren't going to out recruit Texas at football. If we ever have a basketball coach that can lure top talent like Kevin Durant to Texas we should hang on to him...

Oh wait we do have that! Rick Barnes is the best basketball coach in Texas history. He has made us a contender for a national title on multiple occasions. That in itself is a significant accomplishment. The people that want to fire Barnes do not seem to comprehend that unless we are very lucky, we will go through quite a few basketball coaches before we end up with anyone that will be nearly as successful as him.

As for the people that say "if we aren't going to win at basketball anyway, why should we throw so much money at it?" I respond "Why does Rice play Texas?"

The 2000s were the most successful Texas football, basketball and baseball have ever been at the same time. The success was because of Mack Brown, Rick Barnes and Augie Garrido. As a fellow Texas fan predicted in 2005, "All of the Texas fans have been spoiled. They have built up unrealistic expectations in their heads. They will overreact if our teams' level of success drops even slightly because they have been spoiled and either don't know or have forgotten the state of the athletic department before these three coaches showed up." His prediction has come true. Our athletic department was not in bad shape, but these three men all elevated the prestige of Texas sports significantly.

Rick has proven he can make us a contender in basketball. Throwing away that kind of coach is foolish at this point. If our program has sustained failure, I will agree he needs to go. This is our first season without an NCAA appearance and a major factor that contributed to that was Kabongo being a bonehead. That is not sustained failure. If your expectations are to win the national championship every year in basketball despite the fact that UTEP is the only Texas team to ever win the NCAA tournament, then your expectations are unrealistic.
 
"If your expectations are to win the national championship in basketball every season then your expectations are too high."

Over exaggerate much?

Florida was not exactly a basketball "mecca" but they have won back to back national championships I don't think any school in Florida had won one before then.

Texas baseball has been a national power nearly every year since the 70's so I don't think there was a big revival there. When even Coach Gus let recruiting wane because of internal events he was let go. Augie is not above this either. Why do you think they let coach Harmon go? Do the words "sacrificial lamb" come to mind because they should.

Football was built by coach Royal and should be successful and when it's not those responsible are let go.
How do you think Coach Brown got here? He is paid millions of dollars to be successful. He is paid more than Stoops and Stoops embarrasses him on a much too frequent basis.

It was Dodds that came up with the "We are the Jones's" statement about Texas athletics. Now he says we shouldn't win all the time because it's bad and we become complacent.

So we should never expect to win a national championship in basketball ever then?

Playing in one Final Four and losing the opening game in it does not mean contending for a national championship on multiple occassions. We have never been in the Championship Game. Hard to contend for it if you never get there.

Rice plays Texas in football because it's the biggest pay day they ever get in any athletic event by far. Texas plays Rice in football so they can have a game in Houston every now and then to please it's largest fan base in the state and for recruiting purposes.

The most successful basketbal team ever was led by T.J. Ford and what state did he come from? Just like Vince Young told Mac to back off and let him be successful so did Ford have to tell Barnes to let him do things his way to win.

SMU doesn't spend a fraction on football of what we do since they got the Death Penalty. They play in a glorified High School Stadium that holds 32,000. Where do you come up with this stuff?

Yes, we expect success in our athletic program because we have every advantage to do so.

Barnes got the one and done talents to come and we couldn't win the conference so now we are going the other direction. Bond is leaving now and I wouldn't be surprised to see others leave too.

I am all for letting Barnes coach next year and it doesn't matter because he is not going to be fired anyway. Dodds isn't going to make any big moves. He is waiting for his $1 million bonus that he gets in August of 2014 and then he is out the door.
 
Htown is right. Texas has never been a basketball state.
One national championship by Texas Western. Who knew African Americans were good at basketball? Haskins, that's who. One trick pony, UH had a couple of shots and Texas had one, but NO NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS BY ANY SCHOOL IN TEXAS but Texas Western. No school in Texas made the NCAA tourney this year.
We are lucky to have a coach that can recruit great talent, can coach and give us a shot. Like Htown said, after the 2000's we have spoiled fans.
 
@Joe2005 - What did I expect? I expected what we got. That is the problem. We got what we got and people are ok with it because they don't realize their own expectations have sunk relative to the program so you think you are in the same place.

As for the question, "Do you expect a national championship every year?" That question shows you got nothing. THEY FAILED TO MAKE THE TOURNAMENT. That kind of hyperbole shows you can't think straight. They lose in the first round. They don't make the Sweet 16. They never have won the championship. And you asked that quesiton?

There is something at play behind the scenes where the failures of the major sports programs RELATIVE to the salaries of the coaches is being tolerated. I don't know what it is but you need to learn the difference between supporting the program and supporting the coaching staff. If you support a coaching staff that has lost its grip then YOU ARE HURTING THE PROGRAM.
 
Actually, Htown is closer to the truth. You are talking about NBA players produced and the thread is about college players produced. Not hard to go to the brackets and count the teams from the northeast/east that are participating in the 4 tournaments and that is discounting the number of players that left the Northeast to play college ball.
America East 5 teams, Big East 10 teams, Colonial 3 teams, Atlantic 10 9 teams, MAAC 6 teams, Ivy 1 team, Northeast 3 teams, Patriot 2 teams.
The entire state of Texas has 4 teams, two less than the America East Conference and none going to the dance.

Can we become a final four power Basketball team? Only if we pay players like Memphis did. If we want a realistic shot, we need to stay with Barnes and his strategy. He consistantly recruits great players and consistantly wins.
 
"If we want a realistic shot, we need to stay with Barnes and his strategy. He consistantly recruits great players and consistantly wins."

Of course notwithstanding the facts that the program is heading downhill as was noted the previous couple of years culminating with this years performance along with the fact that we have nothing in the pipeline for next year. I am stunned at your conclusion.
 
Somehow the fact that Florida a football school in a state never known for basketball where no school in the state had ever won a basketball national championship or even been in a Championship game went out got a great coach.

They won back to back national championships and still have a good program to this day. This seems to be zooming right over people's head.

Yes it can be done in Florida and in Texas and at UT.
 
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