"Texas has 'maybe' five players who could start for TCU"

horninchicago said:
@Austin_Bill I agree with most of what you said except the last. When Texas gives up turnovers we all blame it on coaching. So, we forced 4 turnovers That means we coached our defense better than TCU coached its offense.
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Our Dbs are very well coached, Raegnor might be the best receiver we face all year, and he was held in check by a solid defensive performance. He is a more talented receiver than Boyd is a Cover Corner, but Boyd is well coached and has learned how to play the positon well enough that he was able to go toe to toe with Raegnor and get the best of him for a good portion of the night.

When the ball hits the ground, that is nothing more than a free ball, the preparation on how to react to that situation is about coaching, and again our defense was well coached in that regard.

So yes, it was as much about coaching, and our players being better coached than TCU's players were.

Now if we are talking about Caden Stern, that is not about coaching, he hasn't had a lot of coaching so far in his career, he is all about talent.
 
Can we put this silly debate to bed yet?
Patterson did as fine a job as he always does today and our coaches were up to the task too.
But our Jimmys and Joes were better today. (And yes many of those Jimmys and Joes were upper classmen.)
 
On defense, I liked their DE transfer from Louisiana and two of their LBs.
On offense, I liked Turpin and Reagor. I'm unsure of their OL performance given that we stopped their run and got to their QB often.
Otherwise, I liked our guys.
 
If we combined both team's rosters I figure we'd each end up with around 11 starters. Turpin/Reagor/Humphrey/Johnson would all rotate at WR. Most of the secondary would be our guys (Davis, Sterns, and Jones), most of the LB/DL would be them - remember their all-big 12 DT is out right now too. Not really sure about RB, OL would be a mix but probably a little in our favor. Sam or Shane would be QB over Robinson.

Overall they seemed a little faster, but we were generally stronger.
 
Detective Shilala said:
Can we put this silly debate to bed yet?
Patterson did as fine a job as he always does today and our coaches were up to the task too.
But our Jimmys and Joes were better today. (And yes many of those Jimmys and Joes were upper classmen.)
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DS, everyone is looking better and am wondering if it's because we're seeing new faces/numbers out there on the field. Either someone's getting a fire lit under them or they're on the bench and someone with that fire has replaced them.....
 
I agree everyone is looking better. Who are the new faces you are seeing out there? Unless you see a bunch of new faces out there, (I don't) its more or less the same players as in week 1 who were just not that talented.

Can you meet somewhere in the middle and agree that maybe we are talented?
 
Detective Shilala said:
I agree everyone is looking better. Who are the new faces you are seeing out there? Unless you see a bunch of new faces out there, (I don't) its more or less the same players as in week 1 who were just not that talented.

Can you meet somewhere in the middle and agree that maybe we are talented?
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This. Sometimes you just have a bad day. The same team that lost to Maryland just beat two ranked teams in a row and one of them was coached by Gary Patterson. Not an easy task.

Let's enjoy Texas playing to its potential and winning some football games. It feels good again :hookem:
 
Detective Shilala said:
I agree everyone is looking better. Who are the new faces you are seeing out there? Unless you see a bunch of new faces out there, (I don't) its more or less the same players as in week 1 who were just not that talented.

Can you meet somewhere in the middle and agree that maybe we are talented?
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DS, I'll concede there was talent that didn't seem as such until they came together the last couple of games. I hope they feed on it....
 
To Stat's point, that '97 team was the most loaded 4-7 team in the history of college football. They caught the absolute worst possible matchup early against UCLA and had a perfect storm of QB out, outmatched corners against big receivers, and a general lack of enthusiasm for playing under Mackovic. That team wins at least three more games just by Mackovic putting his ego away and saying "just give it to Ricky."
 
"'But our Jimmys and Joes were better today. (And yes many of those Jimmys and Joes were upper classmen.)"
I can't say whether our players were better than theirs across the board, but I know which group played better as a team.
 
ProdigalHorn said:
"'But our Jimmys and Joes were better today. (And yes many of those Jimmys and Joes were upper classmen.)"
I can't say whether our players were better than theirs across the board, but I know which group played better as a team.
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Since you mention the upper-classmen thing. I decided to take a look.
Our defense likely will have a drop off in run defense. We lose a ton of guys from the dline and linebackers. All three starters on the dline are gone after this year, and 2 of the 3 starters at linebacker. It's also a good bet that Brandon Jones goes pro after this year. However with that said, Our DBs should again be stacked. Key returning guys on defense will be.
DL
Ta'quon Graham DT/DE, Gerald Wilborn, NT, Moro Ojamo NT, Keondre Coburn DT/DE, Marquez Bimage DE, Daniel Carson DE, Malcolm Roach, and Michael Williams DE.

LB
Jeffrey McCulloch, Ayodele Adeoye, Joseph Ossai, and possibly Demarvin Overshown
DB
Caden Stern S, BJ Foster S, Chris Brown N, Jalen Green, Anthony Cook, Kobe Boyce, Deshawn Jamison, and maybe Demarvin Overshown and Brandon Jones.

On offense
QB - Everybody the one exception might be Shane Buschele.
RB - Keaontay Ingram, Daniel Young, Kyle Porter, Kirk Johnson, and maybe Toneil Carter.
WR - Devin Duverney, Josh Moore, Brennan Eagles, Alvonte Woodward, Jordan Pouncey, DeShawn Jamison, and maybe Collin Johnson and LJ Humphrey.
OL
Sam Cosmi, Zach Shackleford, Tope Imade, Derek Kerrstettler, JP Urquidez, Patrick Hudson, Rafiti Ghirmai, Junior Angilau, Reese Moore, Denzel Okafor,
TE
Cade Brewer, Reese Leiteo, and Malcolm Epps.

Biggest worry again is the oline, we need about 5 to 8 guys to get our numbers up.
 
Austin_Bill said:
Since you mention the upper-classmen thing. I decided to take a look.
Our defense likely will have a drop off in run defense. We lose a ton of guys from the dline and linebackers. All three starters on the dline are gone after this year, and 2 of the 3 starters at linebacker. It's also a good bet that Brandon Jones goes pro after this year. However with that said, Our DBs should again be stacked. Key returning guys on defense will be.
DL
Ta'quon Graham DT/DE, Gerald Wilborn, NT, Moro Ojamo NT, Keondre Coburn DT/DE, Marquez Bimage DE, Daniel Carson DE, Malcolm Roach, and Michael Williams DE.

LB
Jeffrey McCulloch, Ayodele Adeoye, Joseph Ossai, and possibly Demarvin Overshown
DB
Caden Stern S, BJ Foster S, Chris Brown N, Jalen Green, Anthony Cook, Kobe Boyce, Deshawn Jamison, and maybe Demarvin Overshown and Brandon Jones.

On offense
QB - Everybody the one exception might be Shane Buschele.
RB - Keaontay Ingram, Daniel Young, Kyle Porter, Kirk Johnson, and maybe Toneil Carter.
WR - Devin Duverney, Josh Moore, Brennan Eagles, Alvonte Woodward, Jordan Pouncey, DeShawn Jamison, and maybe Collin Johnson and LJ Humphrey.
OL
Sam Cosmi, Zach Shackleford, Tope Imade, Derek Kerrstettler, JP Urquidez, Patrick Hudson, Rafiti Ghirmai, Junior Angilau, Reese Moore, Denzel Okafor,
TE
Cade Brewer, Reese Leiteo, and Malcolm Epps.

Biggest worry again is the oline, we need about 5 to 8 guys to get our numbers up.
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Austin Bill, I'll wager next years defense will make you forget about this years...….I'm not worried about run defense in the Big 12, because I don't think anyone else in the Big 12 is either....BUT I'm betting they'll be better than this year's squad (and yes with returning players like Caden Sterns who was two the last time we beat KSU in Manhattan)
 
Austin_Bill said:
Our Dbs are very well coached, Raegnor might be the best receiver we face all year, and he was held in check by a solid defensive performance. He is a more talented receiver than Boyd is a Cover Corner, but Boyd is well coached and has learned how to play the positon well enough that he was able to go toe to toe with Raegnor and get the best of him for a good portion of the night.

When the ball hits the ground, that is nothing more than a free ball, the preparation on how to react to that situation is about coaching, and again our defense was well coached in that regard.

So yes, it was as much about coaching, and our players being better coached than TCU's players were.

Now if we are talking about Caden Stern, that is not about coaching, he hasn't had a lot of coaching so far in his career, he is all about talent.
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Disagree again. He's being coached up. Give a coach a team that's used to losing, that's a mountain to climb.....Bring in fresh attitudes with no baggage....maybe that mountain's not so tough....
 
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